This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I didn't say I agreed with it. Just want everyone to know that there are two sides to every story..

John McCain on abortion..

On “Meet the Press,” McCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions”

I was aware that McCain held those views on abortion. Is that sitting well with you? However, his running mate opposes does not hold these views and believes it's wrong in all cases with no exception. So if something were to happen to him...watch out.

But...what of my question concerning the morning after pill? Yay or nay?

Reagan was open about his negotiations, he did not try to play both sides of the field.

Really? Realllly? I don't recall things going down like that at all.

I was aware that McCain held those views on abortion. Is that sitting well with you? However, his running mate opposes does not hold these views and believes it's wrong in all cases with no exception. So if something were to happen to him...watch out.

But...what of my question concerning the morning after pill? Yay or nay?

IA with McCain on rape and incest...However...

I happen to lean more towards Palin concerning abortion than Obama's stance (and voting record) on infanticide. He felt, while in Illinois, that partially aborted babies should not be given the same birth rights of "wanted" babies..So IMO if Obama is elected...watch out!

My personal opinion on the morning after pill?....nay..I say if you don't want a baby you should not have sex, or take precautions during sex..JMO...

I just feel that killing/blocking a sperm or egg is more humane than aborting a fertilized egg...or human zygote..

Really? Realllly? I don't recall things going down like that at all.

Really..

Edited September 22, 200817 yr by Casey008

I tend to agree with you on bankruptcy laws. But, I also think the current credit system provides incentives for the market to engage in predatory practices. I believe very much that credit companies should be limited in the interest rates they can charge. I justify it along the lines that one: credit card companies are engaging in a form of price fixing and two, they are engaging in predatory practices and using information asymmetries as a mechanism.

Philosophically, I agree with you on bankruptcies. However, I think there needs to be some form of protection for consumers and the economy against what we are seeing now in the credit market.

You know, I agree with everyone who is troubled by the nation engaging in a trillion dollar bailout of the credit industry. I just find the entire notion offensive. However, there is no way around it. If we don't do the bailout, the nation and world economy are in a world of hurt.

I think we're pretty much on the same page here.

IA that credit card companies do engage in predatory practices and there ought to be measures against how far they can go. Consumers also need to take responsibilty for their actions. I know that dangling a card in front of a shopping addict is a huge problem and we can try to reform the addict while minimizing some of the temptation but things may happen anyway. If we had more people out there that didn't resent becoming "our brother's keeper" so to speak, things would go a bit more smoothly.

Making credit management counseling mandatory should be part of bankruptcy filings...at least I think so.

I think making rape victims pay for the rape examination and rape kit is abhorrent. Evidence gathered from the rape kit is used in the trial -- it is part of the investigation. When did cities start making the victim pay the price for the police investigation and evidence gathering? It seems like it is specific to one set of victims and one crime.

Shame on her and any local official who engages in this!

IA with McCain on rape and incest...However...

I happen to lean more towards Palin concerning abortion than Obama's stance (and voting record) on infanticide. He felt, while in Illinois, that partially aborted babies should not be given the same birth rights of "wanted" babies..So IMO if Obama is elected...watch out!

My personal opinion on the morning after pill?....nay..I say if you don't want a baby you should not have sex, or take precautions during sex..JMO...

I just feel that killing a sperm or egg is better than aborting a fertilized egg...or human zygote..

Really..

IA with the second part of your statement. However, saying to someone not to have sex unless they want a baby is stretching it a little, don't you think? I mean...com'on. We're humans here....

Regardless, we can chalk up another issue to agree to disagree. I'm sensing a pattern here, aren't you?

Anyway. I found this very interesting article on healthcare. A huge problem in the US and one that both candidates have addressed to "fix" in one way or another.

Overhauling health care

Personally, the uninsured are the biggest problem we face today and something needs to be done about it. After reading the article, IMO it would be great if we could merge the two plans together we might have something.

Edited September 22, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

I think making rape victims pay for the rape examination and rape kit is abhorrent. Evidence gathered from the rape kit is used in the trial -- it is part of the investigation. When did cities start making the victim pay the price for the police investigation and evidence gathering? It seems like it is specific to one set of victims and one crime.

Shame on her and any local official who engages in this!

I know rape is a sensative subject, but why should rape victims be any different than any other victims of crime? Does the local government pay for your doctor bill if you are struck by a car or shot by a criminal?

I know rape is a sensative subject, but why should rape victims be any different than any other victims of crime? Does the local government pay for your doctor bill if you are struck by a car or shot by a criminal?

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I know right? ...I promise I meant that in the nicest way...

I know rape is a sensative subject, but why should rape victims be any different than any other victims of crime? Does the local government pay for your doctor bill if you are struck by a car or shot by a criminal?

I pray......that no one close to you EVER has to deal with the emotions of violent sexual assualt.

That is just sad that you feel RAPE VICTIMS should pay for something that was forced on them.

Just sad.

I know right? ...I promise I meant that in the nicest way...

I believe you. BUT.....

In all fairness, Casey....rape is not like getting run over by a car.

Actually, if you are run over by a car and the police take some paint from your nails or hair or whatever and send it off to the lab to find out the kind of car that hit you, you aren't charged for that either! That is evidence that is sent to a lab for prosecution of the guilty party. Same as the rape kit.

That's my argument.

I pray......that no one close to you EVER has to deal with the emotions of violent sexual assualt.

That is just sad that you feel RAPE VICTIMS should pay for something that was forced on them.

Just sad.

I absolutely agree! Rape victims should not have to pay...gunshot victims should not have to pay...But we live in a very ugly world...

Are you proposing that the local government should pay for all medical bills associated with crime? Where should the line be drawn? That's my only question...

I believe you. BUT.....

In all fairness, Casey....rape is not like getting run over by a car.

Actually, if you are run over by a car and the police take some paint from your nails or hair or whatever and send it off to the lab to find out the kind of car that hit you, you aren't charged for that either! That is evidence that is sent to a lab for prosecution of the guilty party. Same as the rape kit.

That's my argument.

I got ya...

I honestly can say, I had no idea what a rape kit even was ..I didn't realize that it is part of the investigation..I was thinking it was some type of medical treatment..sorry....Thanks for explaining it to me...

Edited September 22, 200817 yr by Casey008

I absolutely agree! Rape victims should not have to pay...gunshot victims should not have to pay...But we live in a very ugly world...

Are you proposing that the local government should pay for all medical bills associated with crime? Where should the line be drawn? That's my only question...

I got ya...

I honestly can say, I had no idea what a rape kit even was....Thanks for explaining it to me...

That's what the article was stating. The victims had to pay for the rape examination and rape kit. No one is saying that the state or local government is paying for all their medical care related to the rape. Therefore, if someone has to pay for their own rape kit, then the person run over by the car should have to pay for the forensic test to remove the evidence from whatever part of their body.

^^^^ Tishy - ICAM the practice of charging victims for their own examinations is downright horrible. Really, how could someone ask a woman who has just been through the most traumatic physical and emotional turmoil of her life to pony up $1000 for her own exam?!?!

This alone proves that SP is no feminist. I can't even believe that she would have no way of knowing about this.

We've discussed this issue previously, but thanks for bringing it to our attention again. How a former Hillary supporter could seriously contemplate voting for McCain because SP is his running mate just makes no sense to me, especially in light of this article.

What makes this very difficult to swallow is that HRC female voters will vote for the McCain/Palin ticket even if they know this information.

I absolutely agree! Rape victims should not have to pay...gunshot victims should not have to pay...But we live in a very ugly world...

Are you proposing that the local government should pay for all medical bills associated with crime? Where should the line be drawn? That's my only question...

I got ya...

I honestly can say, I had no idea what a rape kit even was ..I didn't realize that it is part of the investigation..I was thinking it was some type of medical treatment..sorry....Thanks for explaining it to me...

So, by your logic, rape is not a crime?

Please tell me this is not what you are saying.

That's what the article was stating. The victims had to pay for the rape examination and rape kit. No one is saying that the state or local government is paying for all their medical care related to the rape. Therefore, if someone has to pay for their own rape kit, then the person run over by the car should have to pay for the forensic test to remove the evidence from whatever part of their body.

That is kind of cold-hearted...It doesn't make sense that rape victims would have to pay for the actual investigation. Are you sure that's right?

I was thinking a rape kit was a type of medical treatment. I didn't realize that it was an investigation tool...

So, by your logic, rape is not a crime?

Please tell me this is not what you are saying.

Huh?

No, Roman, I was thinking that you guys were mad that rape victims had to pay for the medical treatment...I was saying that any victim of crime has to pay for their own treatment....Sorry..

That is kind of cold-hearted...It doesn't make sense that rape victims would have to pay for the actual investigation. Are you sure that's right?

I was thinking a rape kit was a type of medical treatment. I didn't realize that it was an investigation tool...

Ummmm. Yes, it is an investigation tool used by police to gather evidence.

I assume the article is correct because I've seen it posted on several different news sites.

And lastly, you may want to apologize or something about your last posts on this topic. Just sayin....