Barack Obama Elected President!

[GoldenDogs]

[Jess]

How could the Democrats threaten someone's tax exempt status?

Also, why would you expect Roman, me or any one else to be unbiased? Are you unbiased?

Finally, I thought the McCain skit on SNL was hilarious. It was in no way ageist. What it did was make fun of McCain's lousy ads.

[Roman]

Well, here's an article from the WP:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/18/palin_disinvited_from_anti-ira.html

And the last paragraph says that the group didn't want to politicize the event. Is this Dem stuff a rumor or fact?

[Wales2004]

As far as I know they did not. The article I read last week about the group withdrawing their invitation to Palin didn't mention anything about any threats to revoke their tax-exempt status. It basically said that because Hillary Clinton backed out on her invitation, the group had decided not to have any American politicians participate.

I don't know tax law but I would assume that it would be up to the IRS to determine their status and if they violated the terms for tax-exempt status by dabbling in politics, am I supposed to care about that? I know that their work is important so it is their responsibility to not jeopardize it by making it political. They should not have blindsided Hillary Clinton in the first place and if they wanted to be fair then they should have extended an invitation to Joe Biden when they decided to invite Palin. Robert Wexler was willing to attend on short notice so I have no sympathy that their plan backfired.

Would you have posted the article had the accusation been made against McCain? I doubt it since basically you've been posting things that may/may not be true about Obama and things that are either unfair about Palin. I don't get why you want Roman to be balanced when you don't seem to be yourself.

[Jess]

Let me add to this, since the Obama campaign was invited and agreed to send a surrogate, there would have been no question about tax exempt status. The tax exempt status thing is another sleazy attempt at diverting attention from fact.

I also don't think the committee was trying to be unfair. I wonder if they invited Hillary because she was a long time supporter of Jewish/American concerns and then invited Palin to make it appear fair. I can't imagine why they would invite Gov. Palin. Did they contact the McCain camp and the McCain make the decision to send Palin?

In regard to the VP debate, I think the format was established to protect Gov. Palin. I think it probably worked in the best interest of the Ds. I think Sen. Biden is a fine leader, but he does tend to stick his foot in his mouth.

[Wales2004]

IA with you on the diversion tactic because I don't even see why McCain even felt it necessary to comment on this in the first place. It was a no harm no foul situation since neither candidate would have any reps present. He whines entirely too much....like a an annoying tattle tale.

The committee may not have been trying to be unfair but the result was that they put Hillary Clinton in an uncomfortable position by forcing her to have to withdraw since she'd be there while Palin would have pointed out that Joe Biden wasn't present and how could he have been if he hadn't been invited in the first place? No matter what their intent, they created the situation.

[Roman]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/21/t...eign-companies/

This Week: Paulson Justifies Bailout To Foreign Companies

[Greg's GL]

Well IMHO, Roman does, and always has, posted links that may or may not be beneficial to the candidate he supports in this election. One could argue, Golden Dogs, that you have not always done the same. Yet you expect that kind of behavior from others. Hmmmmmm......

ICAM. I believe the format "debate" was because SP is not prepared for a less structured debate. This is JMHO of course.

[GoldenDogs]

Come on, Wales... read the history of my threads here. I have made a good number of statements criticizing both parties, President Bush, Congress, the media, etc. I alter my "tilt" depending upon what the tone is here in the thread... The more anti-McCain/Palin I see it, the more I fire back in a pro-McCain/Palin stance.

I apologized to Roman when I saw he was presenting the other side of things. If that isn't balanced, I don't know what is. I could ignore Roman's efforts and continue on in a partisan rant if you like...

You want balance from me? McCain has had a bad week... but nobody on the right has went so far as to accuse Obama or Biden of incest. That sort of thing really pisses me off, mind you... I don't like the BS from the McCain side, either. But so far he and his surrogates seem to be keeping his targets within the realm of politics and policy, not things beyond Obama "the candidate".

You also ignore the sources quoted in the piece I presented... Do you feel that is all made up? Here is the article directly from WCBS-TV in New York:

http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/clinton.palin...t.2.821565.html

NEW YORK (CBS) ― Hillary Clinton won't be speaking at Monday's anti-Iran rally at the United Nations -- and neither will Republican Sarah Palin or any other politicians for that matter.

The reason? A heated behind the scenes tug-of-war.

Sources tell CBS 2 HD that a decision to disinvite Palin from the high profile rally after Clinton pulled out in a huff came as the result of intense pressure from Democrats.

"This is insulting. This is embarrassing, especially to Gov. Palin, to me and I think it should be to every single New Yorker," Assemblyman Dov Hikind, D-Brooklyn, told CBS 2 HD.

Sources say the axes were out for Palin as soon as Sen. Clinton pulled out because she did not want to attend the same event as the Republican vice presidential candidate.

"I have never seen such raw emotion -- on both sides," said someone close to the situation.

The groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were reportedly told, "it could jeopardize their tax exempt status" if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand.

So all politicians were disinvited, most prominently, Palin.

"It's an absolute shame that this has happened," Hikind said. "To threaten organizations … to threaten the Conference of Presidents that if you don't withdraw the invitation to Gov. Palin we're going to look into your tax exempt status … that's McCarthyism."

Another Jewish group tried to step into the breach by inviting Palin to a different protest a day earlier.

"I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats," said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."

As for Sen. Clinton, she brushed right past CBS 2 HD's Lou Young when he tried to ask her about the issue on Thursday night.

Lou Young: "Were the organizers of Monday's rally right to depoliticize it?"

Clinton walked past Young, said "Thank you all very much" and started hugging people.

Clinton's people tell CBS 2 HD she intends to make some statement of support for the protestors. She is also expected to attack Ahmadinejad's pro-nuke, anti-Israel stance.

Now, Wales, would you please offer me your analysis of the article?

[GoldenDogs]

Hmmmmmm...... Greg, research the history of my posts. As a matter of fact, Roman once said that I was someone he could talk to (as opposed maybe to Casey, with whom he couldn't? LOL!!) Of course, he changed his mind in short order when I offered up more opinion...

I have been as even-handed as anyone else here... perhaps not lately, but as the tone in the thread has been intensely anti-McCain/Palin, I have presented a more intense anti-Obama/Biden presentation.

I apologized to Roman as I felt I had mischaracterized him and his stance on things (if not overtly, then in a more subtle way)... if it will make you all feel better, I can un-apologize to Roman and return to ignoring his efforts to present another side...

[George008]

More racial concerns for '08 election..

[Roman]

Are these trhe same bigoted white Dems who weren't going to vote for him anyway?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/21/t...on-the-economy/

“This Week” Roundtable Consensus: McCain is clueless on the economy

[cct]

This article mentioned above appeared in my Sunday paper this morning. Whether we like it or not, race IS going to be a major factor in this election. Although we joke that polls mean nothing on here, I believe they mean more than we say. Right now, my candidate is leading, but only by a few points. Points that concern me, because of the margin of error. Points that concern me, moreso because of the Bradley Effect. I need my candidate to be much further ahead, and should be considering we are finishing up eight years with what many believe to be a poor presidency. Race. Along with this concern was a more local poll conducted in my home battleground state.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/o...ntial-poll.html

What strikes me about this poll is the percentage who think they are WORSE OFF than four years ago (47%) yet are still going to vote for McCain. Which tells me that not only race, but those same damn "values" are coming into play as they did in 2004. No matter the economy. No matter Iraq. No matter any issue. We only care whether two men or two women can marry. Bull. Whether we like it or not, Republicans have co-opted values. Interesting response to that issue:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/o...ntial-poll.html

I'm so happy to see that someone is fighting the "corner" the Republicans seem to have on Christianity. Let's hope people pay attention.

Sigh...

[Wales2004]

Come on, Wales... read the history of my threads here. I have made a good number of statements criticizing both parties, President Bush, Congress, the media, etc. I alter my "tilt" depending upon what the tone is here in the thread... The more anti-McCain/Palin I see it, the more I fire back in a pro-McCain/Palin stance.

I apologized to Roman when I saw he was presenting the other side of things. If that isn't balanced, I don't know what is. I could ignore Roman's efforts and continue on in a partisan rant if you like...

You already seem to be on a partisan rant so I'm honestly not going to be able to see a difference. I commented on your wanting Roman balance his links when I don't see you doing that. I didn't take issue with whether or not you're being partisan since you've already said....unless I misread or misunderstood that you'd vote for McCain-Palin because she was being unfairly attacked....and if I got that wrong, then you've made it clear that you don't think Obama is qualified.

I guess I missed whatever criticisms you've had of McCain.

I don't how to say this any more plainly.....if you want Roman to post balanced articles then do the same....otherwise don't expect him to provide views from across the road which he really does not need to do since he supports Obama. Saying McCain had a bad week doesn't equal posting an article stating that.....but I'm not even saying that you need to post anything or state anything since that's not my point.

First of al you probably don't know half of what anyone on the rights has done or said....just as you don't know the same concerning the left. Just because you seem to come across things that are offensive to you regarding Palin doesn't mean the same types of things doesn't exist about Obama.

Secondly, Obama isn't responsible for every negative thing put out about Palin. I doubt that you would try to hold the right or McCain-Palin responsible for any offensive thing said or done by the right about Obama and/or his family.

I've already commented on this and I haven't come across anything new to change my opinon. Hillary Clinton was blindsided, forced to pull out and that's the most significant aspect of this fiasco for me.

[Wales2004]

When I say that polls mean nothing to me.....I mean it. I think they may be useful regarding advertising and in some other instances but I don't believe that asking less than a significant portion of the population is going to get accurate results....especially if a percentage of those people aren't going to be honest anyway.

Because I tend to be a practical person, I don't worry about things over which I have no control. In this case I can do my part and vote but if it doesn't go the way I would like, life still goes on.

Racist people are not going to vote for Obama regardless. He cannot fixate on that since it won't change the facts. The media needs to stop asking him about them since he didn't make them that way and instead of trying to make them his problem, they would be better off acknowledging that racists have a serious problem.