This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

oooh the racism and sexism talk about this race will never end

Then don't read the arcticle.

Then don't read the arcticle.

Well put Roman. It's never going to end Jason. Never. In the perfect world, no one would care about any of that [!@#$%^&*], but thats not the case.

Then don't read the arcticle.

It was not about the article....just that it is an ongoing discussion that seems to just not end. I do think there is racism in the election with some not thinking Obama is worthy of a vote due to being black...but not sure of sexism when Hillary has a lot of support from men.

It's never going to end Jason. Never. In the perfect world, no one would care about any of that [!@#$%^&*], but thats not the case.

Well I say let's just not worry about sexism and racism and work on defeating McCain. A Hillarack ticket can do it

Of course those two topics are always going to be discussed ad nauseum. But let's also focus on talks of formulating strategy to win in November

Hate to see how they treat their enemies.

And I have heard DDM defend her and Bill.

Sheldon Alberts: Bill Clinton on "scumbag" reporter and the vast left-wing conspiracy against Hillary

Posted: June 02, 2008, 9:52 PM by sheldon alberts

U.S. Politics, Sheldon Alberts

If you believe Hillary Clinton's campaign talking points (today, at least), everyone in the Democratic party is soon going to be joining hands and singing 'kumbaya' once the Democratic race finally ends.

Except someone forgot to tell Bill Clinton. The former president came unhinged (a subjective assessment, admittedly) when asked Monday about a new Vanity Fair article by former New York Times journalist Todd Purdum. In short, the article says a bunch of nasty stuff about Bill, his friends, and his impact on Hillary's campaign.

Clinton starts off by calling Purdum, who is married to former Clinton press secretary Dee Dee Myers, "sleazy" and a "scumbag" who dished dirt to Ken Starr on the Whitewater controversy years back.

But then Bill veers onto a familiar theme of late, the great left-wing media conspiracy to destroy his wife's campaign for the greater glory of Barack Obama.

Asked by a Huffington Post reporter about Purdum's article, Bill Clinton ended up denouncing the entire media and accused Obama himself of acquiescing to, even encouraging, smear jobs on Hillary:

"You know (Purdum) didn't use a single name, cite a single source in all those things he said. It's just slimy. It's part of the national media's attempt to nail Hillary for Obama. It's the most biased press coverage in history. It's another way of helping Obama. They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he (Obama) didn't do anything about it. The first day he said 'Ah, ah, ah well.' Because that's what they do - he gets other people to slime her. So then they saw the movie they thought this is a great ad for John McCain - maybe I better quit the church. It's all politics. It's all about the bias of the media for Obama. Don't think anything about it.

"But I'm telling ya, all it's doing is driving her supporters further and further away-- because they know exactly what it is - this has been the most rigged coverage in modern history - and the guy ought to be ashamed of himself. But he has no shame. It isn't the first dishonest piece he's written about me or her."

Somewhere in that discourse - in which Bill refused to release the reporter's hand - is buried a sharp attack on Obama as complicit in the recent attack on her by a visiting preacher at his former Chicago church.

Not sure that helps the cause of Democratic party unity. Also, not sure Bill has done much to dispel the basic thrust of Purdum's story:

"To know Clinton is, sooner or later, to be exasperated by his indiscipline and disappointed by his shortcomings," Purdum writes.

"This winter, as Clinton moved with seeming abandon to stain his wife’s presidential campaign in the name of saving it, as disclosures about his dubious associates piled up, as his refusal to disclose the names of donors to his presidential library and foundation and his and his wife’s reluctance to release their income-tax returns created crippling and completely avoidable distractions for Hillary Clinton’s own long-suffering ambition, I found myself asking again and again, What’s the matter with him?"

One wonders whether the basic question - what do we do with Bill? - will come up when Obama and Hillary finally sit down together for a chit chat about the upcoming general election campaign.

I think Purdum is right about Bill suffering a change after having heart problems , he seems to just fly off the handle out of noway!

If Hillary had left him at home she most likely would have won this thingy!

It was not about the article....just that it is an ongoing discussion that seems to just not end. I do think there is racism in the election with some not thinking Obama is worthy of a vote due to being black...but not sure of sexism when Hillary has a lot of support from men.

Barack has a lot of support from "some" whites, but there is still racism against him, just like Hillary has support of men, there is still sexism. I know guys like that.

Let's not worry about it.

So what do you say to the people who won't vote for him because of his color or her because of her gender?

Don't worry about it?

And.......there will be no Hillarack ticket.

How about ObamaHill (If that)?

Senator Barack Obama’s campaign began a concerted effort on Monday to rally undecided superdelegates around him so he can claim the Democratic presidential nomination after the primaries end on Tuesday night.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invited fund-raisers and other supporters to an election-night rally in New York City where, aides said, she was prepared to deliver what they described as a farewell speech that summed up the case for her candidacy. They said Mrs. Clinton was not likely to withdraw from the race on Tuesday night, probably waiting until later in the week, once Mr. Obama’s victory appeared clear.

Sensing an opportunity to shut down the nominating contest, Mr. Obama’s campaign advisers said that they were orchestrating an endorsement of Mr. Obama by at least eight Senate and House members who had pledged to remain uncommitted until the primaries ended, and that the endorsements would come the moment the South Dakota polls closed on Tuesday night.

The group will be led by Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, who on Monday met with three other uncommitted Democratic senators — Ken Salazar of Colorado, Thomas R. Carper of Delaware and Benjamin L. Cardin of Maryland — at the offices of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in what Mr. Salazar called a unity session.

Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, the No. 3 Democrat in the House and the highest-ranking African-American in Congress, set his formal endorsement of Mr. Obama for Tuesday, and he was urging others to do the same. Other lawmakers and party insiders were also sending word that they would be falling in line behind Mr. Obama beginning as early as Tuesday morning.

“It’s time,” said Senator Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, one of the senators who have not made a public choice in the race, signaling that he too would announce his endorsement within days.

While Mr. Obama was moving into position to claim the delegates needed for the nomination, two top Democratic officials said those sympathetic to Mrs. Clinton were making calls of their own to encourage lawmakers to hold off at least until Wednesday to make any announcements in deference to Mrs. Clinton.

The activity on the eve of the final contests in Montana and South Dakota left little doubt on both sides that the long competition was coming to an end. Mr. Obama told reporters on Monday what he had told Mrs. Clinton when he called her on Sunday to congratulate her on winning the Puerto Rico primary: “Once the dust settled, I was looking forward to meeting with her at a time and place of her choosing.”

Mrs. Clinton has no public traveling schedule through the weekend, other than to Washington, reflecting what is, for all practical purposes, a campaign in suspension. Mrs. Clinton’s associates said that no one in her campaign saw any way she could win the nomination, and that the only question now was when Mr. Obama could claim victory. The associates requested anonymity in deference to Mrs. Clinton’s request for privacy.

Mrs. Clinton’s decision to return to her home state to deliver her speech was made at the last minute, and thus she picked an unusual site for a major political event: the Baruch College athletics and recreation center on the East Side of Manhattan.

The most likely situation, some of Mrs. Clinton’s aides said, was that she would suspend her campaign later in the week and would probably — though not definitely — endorse Mr. Obama.

On the Obama side, the rollout of the Congressional endorsements as the polls close on Tuesday night is intended to show that the party is coalescing behind him. In an elaborately coordinated evening that will symbolize the shift from the primary to the general election, Mr. Obama will deliver his victory speech at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, the location, not coincidentally, of the Republican convention in August.

The strategy, one adviser said, was to claim the nomination Tuesday night and Wednesday morning start putting his full focus on Senator John McCain, starting with a speech at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, where Mr. McCain lit into Mr. Obama on Monday.

Mr. Obama’s advisers estimated that, factoring in the results in Montana and South Dakota, where he appeared to be in a strong position, he needed about 25 delegates to reach the 2,118 needed to win the nomination. He gained endorsements on Monday that will give him 5.5 more superdelegate votes (the half vote is from Florida), and Mr. Obama’s advisers said they would spend Tuesday rushing more superdelegates — the elected Democrats and party leaders who get berths at the convention — onto his train.

“We’re trying to get the number as quickly as possible,” Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, said on Monday. “We are trying to convince as many as possible to come out tomorrow.”

Election GuideMore Politics NewsMr. Obama’s aides were wary of trying to raise expectations about his performance. Still, asked if Mr. Obama would win enough superdelegates Tuesday to put him in position to claim the nomination, Mr. Plouffe responded: “We are trying to. I don’t know if we can get there.”

Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, a supporter of Mr. Obama, said she had spoken to about a dozen uncommitted superdelegates on Monday on Mr. Obama’s behalf. “We are hopeful and optimistic that a lot of movement will be tomorrow, but you can’t count on it until it happens,” she said.

Representative Jason Altmire, Democrat of Pennsylvania, said he wanted to give Mrs. Clinton her due until at least Wednesday. But if the race remained fully engaged by week’s end, he said, she would lose her support from superdelegates.

“We want to hear from Senator Clinton; she deserves the right to make her statement,” Mr. Altmire said Monday night. “But I’m not fine with it proceeding. I think it’s incredibly damaging at the end of the process for it to continue on..”

Mr. Obama spent part of Monday working the phones, as did surrogates, aides and party officials, urging the uncommitted superdelegates to sign on. Asked what his final sales pitch was, Mr. Obama said, “The sooner that we can bring the party together, the sooner we can start focusing on John McCain in November.”

In a campaign stop in Michigan on Monday, Mr. Obama lavished praise upon Mrs. Clinton, in what aides said was a signal intended to set the tone for how his supporters should treat her in the coming days.

“Senator Clinton has run an outstanding race; she is an outstanding public servant,” Mr. Obama told voters at a forum in Troy, Mich. He added, “She and I will be working together in November.”

To that, the crowd of Democrats cheered.

If Hillary had left him at home she most likely would have won this thingy!

Or had someone lock him in the closet with an intern

Barack has a lot of support from "some" whites, but there is still racism against him, just like Hillary has support of men, there is still sexism. I know guys like that.

Good point. I concede to Dr. Jay

I remember Ferrarro's comments and seeing a video of someone telling Hillary to iron his shirt. So yes they get support from the other group but there still looms racism and sexism

And.......there will be no Hillarack ticket.

How about ObamaHill (If that)?

Hillarack goes either way...Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary. It just connects the names of a great ticket and one that is unbeatable.

And Obama said today he and Hillary are working together to win in November. Hmm working together as the next president and VP? Say it is so!!!!!!!!!

Hillarack goes either way...Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary. It just connects the names of a great ticket and one that is unbeatable.

Just make sure that nickname knows who's boss

Just make sure that nickname knows who's boss

Boss in the bedroom or the boardroom?

The person who is leading the ticket goes first.

But hell......her name probably won't be on it anywhere, so I guess it doesn't matter if her name does go rfirst or not.

Boss in the bedroom or the boardroom?

I'm talking boss in the oval office, and assistant in the not oval office.

Just make sure that nickname knows who's boss

No. WE"LL know whose boss.

And it won't be her.

The person who is leading the ticket goes first.

But hell......her name probably won't be on it anywhere, so I guess it doesn't matter if her name does go rfirst or not.

Whatever dude. He said today she and him are working together now to win in November. That gives a sign that a Hillarack or Obamary ticket is in the works.

I'm talking boss in the oval office, and assistant in the not oval office.

ooooooh now that would be fun to see

OK I'll be a stick in the mud, I hate the soap opera couple nicknames. :lol:

The campaign is interesting. It looks like on Wednesday, it will just, well end. Obama will move on to the fall campaign and Hillary will become a team player for the ticket.

I attended a seminar a couple of weeks ago where the director of the CBS/NYT poll spoke. It was very interesting. She said it is almost impossible to predict who will win in the fall because of so many merging factors. There are many, many new voters this year and by and large they are younger and minorities who are more inclined too support Obama. They are tough to identify because they are first-time voters and because much of their mobilization and organization is on the internet.

Also, there is the first African-American candidate, and people lie about their support. Some anglo voters say they will support Obama when they really won't because they fear sounding racist. The same is true of white men supporting Hillary. Cell phones are also playing hell with surveys. More than 25 percent of households now are cell phone only or cell phone primary. A lot of people have land lines now just for burglar alarms.

It was really interesting.

Whatever dude. He said today she and him are working together now to win in November. That gives a sign that a Hillarack or Obamary ticket is in the works.

ooooooh now that would be fun to see

Whatever, dude.

I haven't heard one thing that indicates that.

OK I'll be a stick in the mud, I hate the soap opera couple nicknames. :lol:

The campaign is interesting. It looks like on Wednesday, it will just, well end. Obama will move on to the fall campaign and Hillary will become a team player for the ticket.

I attended a seminar a couple of weeks ago where the director of the CBS/NYT poll spoke. It was very interesting. She said it is almost impossible to predict who will win in the fall because of so many merging factors. There are many, many new voters this year and by and large they are younger and minorities who are more inclined too support Obama. They are tough to identify because they are first-time voters and because much of their mobilization and organization is on the internet.

Also, there is the first African-American candidate, and people lie about their support. Some anglo voters say they will support Obama when they really won't because they fear sounding racist. The same is true of white men supporting Hillary. Cell phones are also playing hell with surveys. More than 25 percent of households now are cell phone only or cell phone primary. A lot of people have land lines now just for burglar alarms.

It was really interesting.

So, they couldn't tell who would carry what block of voters.

You know........since he can't carry anyone but black voters.