Hey, Roseanne? Kiss my ass!

[PhoenixRising05]

This is the final warning. One more insult from anyone and this thread is closed. I don't want to spoil what could be a thoughtful, insightful discussion by closing this and I am having alot of patience but it's wearing thin.

Brandeis...you are taking this way too far. Everyone has a right to their opinion. You don't have to like it and you may think it is something that others don't think it is but you are bringing this up in other threads and just aren't letting this go. My advice is just to let it go and agree to disagree. That is an idea that will make this thread better and this whole board better.

[Brandeis]

Did HITLER have a right to be a bigot? Sorry but you are WRONG. When anyone compromises my civil rights, I have a right to speak up, or are Q Steph's rights more important because she's a veteran SON bigot?

[Brandeis]

Did you even see my previous post?I asked for the thread to be closed. I wanted to deny the homophobes a platform for their hatred. But YOU kept it open, and YOU let THEM express even more of their hate. this is the thread that they had to look for but was supposedly "Shoved down their throats"

Yeah, sometimes "having an opinion" makes a person a bigot. especially when they go looking for it, which they did. No one forced either one of them onto a gay themed thread yet both said it was forced on them.

And I have an opinion too. My "opinion" is that they are both bigots. They've had their say about gay people. Is my opinion worth less than theirs?

[Brandeis]

Look back when I first reported this thread.

[Ryan]

I went back and I re-read this thread. I do not feel that anyone was being bigoted. Both Stephanie & Brandeis have the right to have their opinions on this issue. However instead of agreeing to disagree and moving on, labels were then given to someone who didn't agree. If I agree with Shawn & Roseanne does that make me a bigot? If I agree with Brandeis does that mean I'm a rainbow pusher? No it doesn't.

People should not be defined by their sex, heritage or color. Shawn is gay but he doesn't that that define who he is and what he should fight for. I can see where everyone is coming from in this thread. Everyone made some valid points that if were all more open to accepting others opinions, we would see what a nice thread this can be. I mean, where else can you discuss issues such as this on a soap message board? There aren't many. Politics, religion, racial issues, sexuality issues and others are forbidden on many boards. It is because SON has such intelligent people who can argue their points without letting it get personal, that we continue to allow these threads to be created and discussed. Don't make us have to change that.....

[KLN]

I completely agree. You're totally right. Anyone who has to 'fight for equal rights' and all the such that comes with it should be a champion for everyone's causes.

However, my beef with Roseanne's statement isn't the point she was trying to make -- it's the fact that she insinuated that ALL gay men and women are only interested in their own fights, because that's not true. Yes, many only care about their own issues... but not all. She's lumping us all together into the same "I only care about my OWN fight" category, and that's not fair.

[KLN]

Eh, I sort of feel the same way... and then I sort of don't.

If someone goes around, shouting their sexuality from the rooftops all day long, it annoys the piss out of me. There's more to a person than just their sexuality, the color of their skin, etc.

However, subtlety can go a long way. If someone wants to have something rainbow-related, say... in their wallet, or hanging from the rear view mirror in their car, it's alright. There's nothing wrong with a little pride, or a little presentation in something about yourself. That's no different than a democrat having a democratic-related bumper sticker on their car... we're all entitled to self expression. A little bit goes a long way, though. Moderation! A bumper sticker with some idiotic homo-centric saying? That's what I'd roll my eyes at.

[Q Steph]

Absolutely; generalizations are never accurate or progress the issue at hand. There are a lot of people who extend themselves beyond their own cause. We're all in this together.

[Shawn]

Thank you Dusty. It means a lot!

I do think that the arguments and views in this thread have been respectable and well thought out.

Look, not everyone is going to agree here, but that's absolutely fine. Frankly, if they did, it'd be far from the stimulating conversation piece that it has become.

I personally don't see how Steph has insulted anyone, she was very eloquent.

On that note:

Just because I call out the faults that many of my fellow gay men and women have does not make me either a bigot or a self loather. I am simply stating what needs to be addressed and focused on more than others. Its okay to be proud that you're gay and be free to share a life thats equal to heterosexuals. But to focus STRICTLY on your private life while pushing more pressing ,and in today's day and age, URGENT matters to the backburner is simply not acceptable. Voting for someone simply because they like gay people as opposed to voting for someone with a plan to really change the world for the better is reprehensible.

When you let your sexual identity become your ONLY identity, there's something wrong. If people didn't want to be known simply as "that gay person", then they should stop talking about being gay every chance they get.

This is coming from a gay man. I am proud. Not self loathing. I am open minded. Not bigoted.

To say otherwise is just not right.

[Keith]

And there are sadly so many that aren't. And that's why I love this board. If there's a bigot here, I haven't met 'em. We don't always agree. We're like a dysfunctional family. Soaps don't have nothing on SON.

[Keith]

This is why I love you, Shawn. One of the most intelligent guys on this board. You know who you are, what you are, and you really don't care if others think different. Only you know you best.

[Shawn]

Thanks Keith. I always strive to be known for my actions and my heart, not for what I do in the bedroom.

[DevotedToAMC]

No way do I want Roseanne to kiss my ass...I respect my ass too much for that moron to kiss it

[Gray Bunny]

I luv Roseanne.

And I understand her intent behind what she said. Even if it generalized us gay folk. People generalize all the time. She went back and cleared things up.

As Roseanne once said, "Thank God for gay men. Without them, all us fat chicks would have no one to dance with!"