Members JackPeyton Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 Days: so sami slept with ej? and shes preg? and lucas dont know it could be ejs? and does ej know shes preg? does anyone know it could be ejs? and does the town all know who ej is? not just sami now? nick and billie had sex?! omg... what?!!! GH: whats goin on with maxie? is she locked in that vault with one of the hostage takers? does it show whats going on in there? has the truth about liz's baby come out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pest Spray Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 Sami was raped by EJ. She's pregnant and Lucas doesn't know it could be EJ's. EJ doesn't know, and only Sami knows it could be EJ's, she hasen't told anyone about the rape. Yep, Nick lost his virginity to Billie. Maxie was forced in there to get the suitcase that they're holding hostages for. Nope, Liz is still lyin' about the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted February 12, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 nick/billie? omg... where did that come from? im so going to see if its on you tube... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DrewH Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 Sami wasn't raped by EJ. It's a basis of opinion. EJ forced Sami to get him safely through a police roadblock right after he shot John and wanted to get out of Salem. Meanwhile, Lucas was trapped unerneath a beam in a cabin and Sami needed help to remove the beam from Lucas' leg. EJ was the only person to help, but in order for him to help save Lucas' life, Sami had to sleep with him. Yes, EJ had a gun with him, but he only used it to threaten her to get her to help him. He put the gun away when he told her to sleep with him, so he didn't techincally force her to sleep with him. Sami chose to sleep with EJ in order to save Lucas' life. Now, she's pregnant and doesn't know who the daddy is. Sami hasn't told EJ yet. Billie was down in the dumps over Steve choosing Kayla. She turned to the bottle and Nick came at the right time. He offered a shoulder to cry on, and then some. Chelsea came in at the last minute, but didn't catch Billie and Nick. Chelsea knows that her mother had a one-night stand with some guy, but she doesn't know the identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DrewH Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 Oh yeah, and everyone knows that EJ is Stefano and Susan's son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ponz Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 It's a matter of law that Sami was raped. The fact that EJ put the gun away did not suddenly give her the ability to consent. You cannot stick a gun in someone's face one moment and then pretend that the weapon is no longer a factor 5 minutes later. And I should point out that Sami herself believes she was raped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DrewH Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 I don't care what Sami believes. She could have left at any given time. EJ would never have hurt her. He loves this woman. Sami could have left and Lucas could have died. End of story. Sami chose to save Lucas' life by sleeping with EJ. There was consent there. Anyway, it's difference in opinions and you're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you. That debate was settled weeks ago. Why bring the argument back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ponz Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 You brought the argument back up. Linn referred to the incident as rape and you saw the need to correct her. I was just correcting your correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Meisha Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 Sami did try to leave the car as soon as she seen it was EJ. He grabbed her, pulled her back in, and waved the gun in her face. As for the rest of the arguement, I am sorry but as a woman it makes me physically ill that some may think this way. If I am understanding correctly, as long as you hold something over a woman's head and she feels she has no choice but to sleep with you it is not rape. To me it was the same as if man said do it or you (someone) else dies. If the case were Ej saying sleep with me or I will kill you, and Sami said fine, are you still inferring it was not rape because she agreed to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CSW Posted February 12, 2007 Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 I don't want to cause an argument but how is this not rape? He pulled a gun on Sami and said sleep with me or I won't help you save Lucas. Even if he put the gun away during the act of sex (which wasn't shown on screen so who really know what happened) he did pull a gun on her to initiate sex under violent and coersive circumstances. He manipulated Sami into doing something she had already said NO to doing by saying he'd let Lucas die. Just because she agreed to her terms doens't mean she consented to sex with him. He coersed Sami into having sex, with a gun and with the promise of her lover's death. He then made Sami help him escape the authorities to further silence her because now she was implicated in a crime. So while it is not rape in the traditional sense it is still a rape. The way I see it, Sami didn't have a choice and that is what rape is. For all Sami knew if she said no she could have been killed too. He did have a gun! Sami shouldn't be ashamed of her actions and shouldn't hide them from Lucas. That part of the plot is lame. The real power in this plot is Sami, the queen of mean, was completely dehumanized and victimized. Yep, she was raped even if he wasn't pointing the gun to her head during the actual deed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted February 12, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 12, 2007 oaky so iw atched all this [!@#$%^&*] on youtube now and this is what i think as for the sami was she or wasnt she raped thing. no, i dont think sami was raped. he ej had a gun and he used it to threten her to get him out of town, however he put it away and never brought it up at all when he told sami to sleep with him. sami chose to sleep with him, she had an option, he wasnt gonna kill her and i truly dont think she belived he was gonna kill her. he never forced himself on her and didnt stop or anything. he gave her an option. it was fucked up and all, but she still chose to sleep with him. and this is comming from a diehard lumi fan. and as for nick/billie... that was kinda hot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Helena Posted February 13, 2007 Members Share Posted February 13, 2007 Did Sami want to have sex with EJ? No she didn't. He told her he would help her save Lucas' life but only if she had sex with him. She didn't want to have sex with him and he said have sex with me or I won't help you save the man you love and he will die. In what universe is that not rape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pest Spray Posted February 13, 2007 Members Share Posted February 13, 2007 Seriously. In what book does it say "Rape is sex by force. Unless the gun is put away and not seen during the violation."? Sami was coerced and forced into doing something she did not want to do. She said no, was trapped inside a car with a man who had a gun with no one close-by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted February 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 13, 2007 now, im not saying he has to have a gun to her head, but i dont think she thought any harm would come to her if she didnt have sex with him. she had a choice, and she chose to sleep with him. ik, maybe if it was on a soap like y&r id feel diff, but this is days, and with that i feel like everythings diff. now i feel for sami, i do, but i just dont feel she was raped. now with allen, that was diff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Helena Posted February 13, 2007 Members Share Posted February 13, 2007 Harm would have come to Lucas if Sami didn't have sex with EJ even though she didn't want to have sex with him. EJ would not have helped rescue Lucas and he would have died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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