NothinButAttitude

Van Jones was caught on video by pro-Trump ground saying that the Russia story is a "nothingburger." I'm so sick of him (Van Jones that is).

Yes! I forgot from watching that arc on YT that Diane has a tumultuous history with Vanessa too. It would've been interesting to see how Diane interacted with Alan Michael. Wasn't Alan courting or married to Hope around the time he was messing with Diane?

That could've been a more reasonable, but which era of the show do you think Diane would've later fit into? The mid to late 80s? The mid 90s and onwards when Alan returned with Ron Raines?

But you have to appreciate the fact that writers during that time punished evil characters whether it was jail time or even worse ... death. Nowadays, Diane would still be on the canvas eating up airtime and going unpunished. That's what I loved about Bill Bell. He was a firm advocate that evil characters had to pay for their crimes. I think he was once quoted saying that Sheila was an exception thanks to Kimberlin Brown's performance; however, he was one who all for punishing characters.

Maybe that's the problem with me (re: Johnny). His cowardice doesn't go anywhere. I'm betting money that we'll hear Derek share his experience while Johnny listens like a brick wall, and then have this epiphany to speak up then. However, he'll revert back to his usual ways a week later having learned nothing. The writers don't know WTF to do with Keegan if you ask me. I think they wanna make him into a bad boy, but fail to see that he is disgusting at this point and people just want him to go away. Sucks b/c I think Zack Morris is a good actor.

You can't turn Keegan around at this point. He's too damaged now. He's like Old Yeller. They might as well take him out back and put him down. Knowing EE, they'll probably keep him forever and a day, but fans will be over him (if they already aren't). He'll be like Phil--a character who has long overstayed his welcome and keeps getting away with murder. The turning point for Keegan after the bus crash and the show seemed to tease that they were gonna put him in Denise's orbit. Another possible turning point for Keegan was him admitting the wrongdoing he did to Louise, but placing him in yet another heinous act has put another nail in his coffin. When it comes to Lee, he was under pressure to keep Whitney's bland a** happy, which set off all these other events. I think he is weak but his depression comes into play too. Johnny is just written as weak and delicate point, blank, period.

Ev & Jackie are both trash and are each other's karma. I hope the both destroy each other. Miserable hags.

Lee was not a pansy. His depression held him back from doing a lot. Johnny has been this way from day one. Mick and Linda treat him like he's something delicate compared to the other kids. Soap characters can be vile but there is a limit. Keegan ain't been on the show a damn year, and he's done the most heinous acts in a short period of time. I don't see him having longevity at all b/c of this.

Lord. Y'all are tarnishing Harding Lemay on this forum as of late. He is truly a man of great talent but many insecurities.

I'm sorry but it is not a good story when we're supposed to be feeling remorse for Keegan post the reveal he lied about sleeping with Louise. It's overkill. The character is too vile. Bullying Bex, assaulted Emerald, fabricating sexual assault on Louise, now is homophobic. And Johnny standing by watching might lead to some good scenes, but it still makes Johnny come off as weak, which I find to be suspicious. Just odd that out of all the boisterous, strong Carters that Johnny (the one gay character in the family) would be written as the pansy.

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/news/a831824/eastenders-catch-up-derek-keegan-johnny-homophobia/ And they wonder why Keegan is not well-received with fans and won't last long on the canvas. He's too f-cking vile! There's nothing good about him. He just moves from one disgusting plot to the next. Are there no boundaries for the character? Johnny is a p-ssy to just stand there and allow Keegan to do that. He's another character I just don't care for. Too damn wimpy for me.

God I miss her so much. I wish her nothing but the best. She truly deserves the world.

Seeing how tense it was at the height of Marley's rape, I just don't see how Vicky could've ended up with him. I mean they all wanted him dead at one point. I just found Vicky with Jake to be icky. Again, I could accept them being friends again. Lovers? Hell no. I don't care for rape romances either with the exception of Holly/Roger b/c we saw Holly rebuke Roger many times b/c it was wrong, and we saw Roger constantly and genuinely apologize for his action.

I think so. This show should've went the Sunset Beach route and simply skimmed over the supernatural every now and then. It shouldn't've dominated the entire show. This show didn't have the budget for many of its stories and it came off cheap and campy. I would've possibly been tempted to have watched the show more if they had focused more on the haves vs. have nots trope they played early on in the show.

I think b/c of the BET awards and they'd lose their main target audience for Potomac (AA women 18-34).

@ChitHappens, you're gonna stop coming for my faves!!

If anything, I think that if all goes to plan for Kandi, I could actually see Kandi leaving after this upcoming season. I think her image of the show has tarnished thanks to Frick and Frack, and she wants off this show. Kandi seems over it. I think the 10th season might mark the end of Kenya's run with the show too. As we've already discussed, there are already rumblings that Kenya's hubby is NY bound and has no interest of moving to ATL or being on the show. I can see Kenya giving her spot up on the show if she truly wants to make this marriage work, and if she ends up pregnant. I get this strong feeling that unlike the OC, the 10th season of ATL will mark the end of an era and lead to new beginnings.

Scandalous. So is Perry Fenwick no longer on the show? I have not seen or heard about Billy being onscreen at all as of late. I'm beginning to believe the Steve McFadden/Phil rumor though as we have not seen Phil in months, which is fine with me.

^ I need to pick back up with 80s ATWT too as I slacked once 90s episodes of GL started to get uploaded. I stopped watching vintage ATWT around '88. I seriously need to pick back up.

I didn't like Vicky/Jake either. Sorry but I found that pairing repulsing. I could buy them as friends. As lovers? Hell no. He raped her sister. I HATE how the show tossed that aside. Vicky would've never gotten with w/ Jake. Jake's soulmate was Paulina and that's who he should've ended up with. It should've been him instead of Frankie. Joe was not needed at all. We already had a good amount of law enforcement characters in Ryan, Frankie, Josie, and Gary by the time Joe popped up. I even liked Gabe more than Joe.

That's stupid that NBC was unhappy about that. What did they expect? Carl & Rachel were the only stable couple on the show the last 3-4 years of the show. Of course people would flock to them. People could add Joe/Paulina to the list as being the other stable couple on the show, but who was fanning out over them? Especially, with Joe being the chauvinistic pig he was.

Sucks NBC felt that way as AW made them tons of money early on and was their breakout daytime series. I hate how these networks forget that it was the soaps that funded the entire networks at times and built their loyal audiences.

Low ratings, P&G wanting out of soaps--the same reasons P&G got rid of GL & ATWT.

^ If anything, tomorrow is gonna mark the anniversary of the day that soaps officially died. Once AW was cancelled, it seemed like the entire genre started to unglue and fall apart. They haven't recovered since.