NothinButAttitude

What is bizarre is that out of the three newbie women that Carole emerged as the mainstay out of them. Never would've saw it. I always felt that after her second season she was gonna leave. Especially, after the incident with Aviva questioning her credibility as a writer. Heather and Aviva always added more than Carole did. Carole didn't truly show up to the party till s7 with her feud with Luann.

It would've made sense seeing how popular Nina Arvesen allegedly was with Y&R audiences as Cassandra. Why didn't the show do a better job at using her to draw in more viewers and force Pam Long's hand when it came to her? She was that cliche gorgeous woman with blond heroine that the show was known for having.

I don't think that Jensen's Vicky truly became a Mary Sue type character till about '97 when Bobby Reno popped up on the canvas, and they further made Grant unhinged and slapstick. I do believe that JB's Vicky had the same spunk and independence early on until she married Grant and the hardness Vicky once possessed started to chip away. And Ryan returned to Vicky because he loved her! Y'all are gonna leave Ryan and Vicky's love alone! At that point of the show, I truly wish they would've left Marley off the show if they were gonna bring her back unhinged. I hated that story because it had Donna, Vicky, and Marley doing stupid mess. Donna would not have ran down Vicky b/c she believed she had a part in Michael's accident/death. Knocked her block off? Hell yes. Trying mowing her down with a car? No. Marley now wanting Jake after all those years was disgusting, and regressive for the character. Marley wanted nothing to do with Jake after he raped her, and her locking Vicky in a cage b/c she wanted him was absurd. It also allowed the writers to somewhat make it seem like Jake's sins were erased by Marley's actions b/c she went crazy. I hated that. That story should've went to either Lila or Cindy. Preferably Cindy as she was always nutty. But not Marley. My God! Buddy, just leave Jensen alone!

Y'all are gonna stop coming for my Jensen Buchanan on here! I liked her Vicky.

PoliticusUsa is claiming Mitch McConnell allowed Russia to attack the US to ensure Trump wins...

True. But all this Miami talk has me depressed. I miss them.

@Cheap21, valid point, but I don't think the amount of women was the issue. I think just how they were crammed at us at once was the issue. There should've been a gap between introducing all the women on NYC. They should've brought in Aviva first then about 2-3 episodes later debut Heather, then about 2-3 episodes later brought in Carole. They just seemed to drop them all there at once. I do find this weird though b/c the did the same thing in Miami s2, but it worked. I guess b/c we were still building relationships with the originals (Marysol/Adrianna/Lea) that it didn't mess up the show that much. OC did do it right by debuting Shannon immediately and Lizzie didn't come on till about a few episodes later. It felt organic and not force fed.

Anne Heche was such a class act.

They really do. God I miss them all on TV. Even kooky ass Martha Byrne playing sniveling Lily. Someone needs to put my Colleen Zenk to work too. She is far too talented to not be on a sitcom or some drama.

Mica is the shot in the arm that Potomac needs. If I am not mistaken, I think someone said that Mica is from the DMV area, which would make her perfect for Potomac.

Oh how I miss Rick Hearst. I will say this till I day I croak, but Guiding Light was stupid for now wooing him back after his stint on B&B before he went to GH. They should've offered him the world. Even though I know many hated the character of Nick McHenry, CBS/GL was crazy in not trying to snag Vincent Irizarry after AMC dumped him 2006. He should've never been sent to Y&R as David Chow. God I miss Robert Newman too! Why has no soap snagged this man yet?!

Because I believe she was burnt out by then (in both situations), and she had that piece of deadweight (Kreizman) tied to her.

We weren't but I've seen you in action.

I don't argue with crazy.

Not surprised. We all knew there were no tapes and this was Trump's attempt to distract us all.

Well I was watching to the mess he produced during his time at GL. While the show was still watchable, I grew tired of the perils of Reva and I love Reva. He was the driving force in making the show the Reva Hour. And I will NEVER forgive what he and MAB did to Y&R. That sh-t was horrible, and I still have nightmares over that period of the show.

I am NOT prepared to see the end of Tristan and Miles. I'm gonna miss them along with Tiny and Zoe too.

Ramona is gonna get chewed out at the reunion after tonight. She deliberately invited Harry and Misty to her housewarming party to stir the pot. I'm sure production coaxed her into doing it, but Ramona is gonna be all alone catching hell from Luann. Just messy. Tinsley knew damn well that she didn't wanna stay downtown where Carole stays. She knows she wants a nice, lush penthouse. I see she and Bethenny get into it about Bethenny's old apartment next week. I feel like that is coaxed by production too. I enjoyed the scenes of Carole/Dorinda going to the Women's march. Glad that those 2 are repairing their bond again after it took a hit last year.

According to Lemay, soaps wasn't what he wanted to do anyways. If I am not mistaken, Rauch wanted to do movies (like most) and had to settle with soaps.

Well it didn't help that he didn't have EPs that really challenged him. According to Lemay's book, Rauch seems like an idiot, who is itching to get a come up too.

Very true. I do think a lot his problems could've been nixed had he confronted them.