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That's an interesting question. Here is a clip of Jerry Douglas running into Lauren Koslow at the Emmys a few years ago. Starts at the 0:58 mark. If you listen hard, you can hear Jerry say he and LK worked together on "The Old and Useless": One of my favourite scenes. Jill takes her slap like a champ and then gives Nikki the foulest look when she slaps her right back!

The set footprint might be the set, in theory, but the interiors are drawn directly, nearly line for line, with the Bell family home on Beverly Grove Drive:

Sonja is one of the nicest, most harmless, daffy, funny, messy people on reality TV. Bravo would be INSANE to let her go. God help us if they even contemplate letting her or Lu go.

Yes, I find TT very uneven when it comes to her scoop, but that information has panned out to be very true. You can see it at every single franchise (except NJ which is really The Teresa Giudice Show) and it's classic Frons. Bravo needs to be very careful because these shows can die in a single bad season and casting someone like OC's Gina is a surefire way to make a season intolerable. And once that happens, once that habit is broken, the shows are over.

A fish rots from the head. In my view, it all starts with Kyle. Erika, the other one, and Rinna, all need to go as well, but all the problems originate with Kyle and her control of the show.

Definitely - she has seemed darker the last two seasons especially. Like she hated Luann for how her alcohol issue was dealt with by the audience/public.

Totally - good, bad, or indifferent, Dorinda was very raw about certain parts of her life that undoubtedly endeared her to the audience, I know it did for me. However, this has been a downward spiral a long time coming. The result seemed inevitable unless Dorinda had a breakdown, said she was an alcoholic, and went to rehab. She isn't doing that. So she exits.

The Real has 2 seasons left on its current renewal. It does feel like the end of an era. There has been relatively candid chatter that Bravo wants to get a younger demographic with the HW franchise - so this feels like the beginning of the Frons era at ABC Daytime. Between Ramona and Sonja I would dump Ramona any day. Her storyline is tired and she hardly wants to be in all the scenes. Sonja is so much lighter and more fun that she ‘reads’ way younger onscreen. Dorinda had such a bad season I can see her going willingly. I hope whatever her issues are that she can find some peace.

I believe it's 10 episodes. As it was intended to be a midseason show its order was shorter and it's sat on the shelf this year. But in a Fall 2020 devoid of original content, FOX is in good shape.

It was first promo'd during Spring 2019 upfronts. The plan was that it would debut in midseason 2020 but then the pandemic happened and FOX decided to save it for the fall because they had an entire season in the can. From what I've heard they have an entire season ready to go. I'd follow Kim Cattrall into war, so I'm looking forward to it.

Garcelle has nabbed the co-host seat at The Real: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/garcelle-beauvais-the-real-host-season-7-1234746964/ Somewhere in the hills between Beverly Hills and the Valley, where Harry Hamlin's home is located, otherwise known as the Beverly Hills Post Office (not actually within the city limits but with the ZIP code), Rinna is seething.

POTOMAC I'm just going to have to say I am not enjoying Wendy so far. She always seems hyper critical and negative. Based on that clip above, I'm going to be Team Ashley on that fight. Gizelle has zero taste. That wig she wanted Calvin to comb out and curl? God himself couldn't have brought that thing back from the dead. I think it's interesting she seems to resent her children having an opinion about their cheater of a father when Gizelle dined out on that for years and the children are old enough to have an informed opinion. Karen's housewarming party was fun and silly and I'm glad she was a good sport about the pizza. I liked Robyn's dress to her party, but otherwise Robyn didn't bring much to this episode. I really enjoy Monique's home life. She and Chris are raising beautiful kids. That baby of hers is a joy - he's always smiling! Candiace and Gizelle clearly dislike each other and Candiace and Ashley are never going to be great friends, but they did at least give each other some leeway during that conversation.

It's really interesting to see how the narrative was changed to do absolutely everything to make Denise look bad. It was all hinged on a homophobic premise of Denise having an affair with Brandi and throughout it was never about her having an affair, it was about the fact the affair was with a woman. And the audience reaction was "Nah, she's alright, we don't like T------ either" so we are left with a season that was a whole bunch of nothing except the audience likes Sutton and Garcelle, still likes Denise, sees what garbage Kyle, Her Stalker, and Rinna are and how useless Erika is, and how fair Dorit ended up being, specifically because she went against Kyle and the gang up mentality. That Rinna did what she did with the Garcelle comment, especially after seeing that extra footage, WHEWWWWW I don't know whose advising her but she's clearly accepting bad advice or ignoring those with her best interest in mind. She just looks unhinged and evil. I'm not sure if New York/Tiffany still lives in NYC or if she lives in LA now, but that clip is from a digital interview series she did with VH1 (and it's hilarious and incredible) and she hit it off with Sonja. Imagine firing Ramona and replacing her with Miss Tiffany Pollard? I am HERE for that.

Joyce's interview on Heather McDonald's Juicy Scoop podcast is really worth a listen. She is very candid about her time on the show and she is very clear about how she feels about the Housewives. The only person she's stayed in contact with is LVP (and Camille through LVP) and while she clearly wants nothing to do with Brandi, she does not have warm feelings for Kyle either. Joyce appears to know who the real Kyle is and doesn't like what she sees.

That's the thing about this season: the editing has been sloppier than usual and it's given away how many pickup scenes have been filmed to fill in or supplement storyline that hasn't been there.

I posted the changing hats on the previous page.

110% And I agree bring back Camille and at least one new lady. Preferably someone not in show business.

RHOBH Sigh. So next week is the finale. That was it? This has been a truly heinous season. Absolutely nothing happened and but for Denise Richards and Garcelle Beauvais coming in, kicking ass, and being real with these broads, they really would have not had a single storyline. Dorit has redeemed herself as she refused to join the gang up on Denise. She questioned Brandi so logically that all Brandi could do is explode in an expletive laced rant with a bloated kewpie doll face. Dorit really, really made an effort this season to give everyone a fair shake. Meanwhile... Kyle professing to Brandi's truthfulness is...problematic...thanks to the passage of time. Let's turn back to 2014: We then turn to Rinna, going down hard as Garcelle called her ass out, publicly, at that dinner, about how obviously envious she is of Erika and the roles she used to play 18 years ago: But why focus on that, or Denise and Garcelle openly discussing that their 20+ year friendships with Rinna were effectively over, when we can focus on the fact that the 'candid' scene Rinna had with her daughter about Garcelle was...how do we say...less than candid. Note the two hats in the same scene: All I know is the addition of these two is the only good thing to be said about this season: A major reckoning is required at RHOBH because the show is absolutely on life support. They need to clean to focus on the future and leave the problematic past behind. That means embracing Denise, Sutton, and Garcelle. Rewarding Dorit's latent altruism by keeping her on board. Firing the utterly worthless Kyle, the heinous goblin Rinna, the FemBot they call Erika, and that other one.

Was Gina actually objecting to wearing a mask?

POTOMAC Another great episode. The tension in the scenes involving Gizelle, her ex, and their children is so uncomfortable. Like, Gizelle, what are you thinking?! The kids sense something is really off. And they're right. Loving Karen v. T'Challa. That makes me laugh every time. I also like that at the Sip and See, Karen was *not* going to let things spiral and ensured that Candiace v. Monique didn't escalate. That was the right thing to do. Meanwhile, you have Gizelle coming across like like an ugly villain while Charisse is this irrelevant sow sitting on that couch as her excess weight crushes together in her midsection. That rumour is just so ugly and damaging, I think Gizelle should be off the show for opening her ugly mouth about it. It's a pity to see Wendy and Karen not get along, but I hope they see their similarities. A couple of Covidiots right there. The disregard both are showing is disgusting. America, wake up!

It's to Michelle Stafford's great detriment that LLB isn't on the show more. All of the great moments for Phyllis, whether she's played by Stafford, Sandra Nelson, or Gina Tognoni, have involved Christine Williams, to one degree or another. Especially as Phyllis started getting into a repetitive cycle of storylines between Jack and Nick, having Christine as a storyline outlet would have been of great benefit to the character (and the show!). I loved the episode about Paul and Christine's wedding where they both bolted from the reception for the sake of their careers. When have we ever seen that on a soap? Never. It was very "modern young couple of the 90s" and Christine's career has always been front and centre as her character developed into an adult. LLB and Christine blossomed in the mid 90s. She was used throughout the canvas - not being tied to a major family or character really worked in the character's favour.

Keesha seemed miserable and didn't appear to make any effort at all to stay. I'm liking Janelle, Kaysar and Da'Vonne - Bayleigh and David are both so recent that I'm not excited by either of them.

I think the implosion of the LVP + Ken + PK friendship actually had an impact on Dorit and she saw what the consequences were for standing by Kyle's actions. What Dorit did/didn't do with Doggate could have been fixed, but what she did by standing with Kyle and John Mellancamp's formerly overweight daughter, could not. Of course, the only thing Kyle lost was her relationship with LVP, which she hadn't given a flying damn about, if ever, for years. PK, on the other hand, in losing Ken and LVP, lost real friends and that had to be something he discussed with Dorit in the off season. I think that's why we are seeing a Dorit who is thinking for herself and not joining the bandwagon as she did in the past.

RHOBH I too am finding this season exhausting. It started out with relative promise and then The Break happened and the tone of the show changed as @Taoboi has described perfectly. In the end, it all comes down to Kyle and the producers giving her intel on how she's coming across on camera and her desperate need to be 'liked' by the viewers of the show. But it's all fake. And nobody likes a fake. Denise is the contrast to Kyle and it must really bother Kyle that Denise, like her other nemesis LVP, is not afraid to just call out what's going on (LVP's mistake was waiting till her last season to do so, but we have GOODBYE KYLE as our souvenir for that). I really liked that Denise didn't try to act all sweet and nice. She went for some of these women and laid out her issues with how they have treated her. That's real. That's putting the Real in Real Housewives, and it's what I'm looking for. Once the producer intervened and had Denise go back to the table the narrative changed yet again as the women faked their way through a 'fun' dinner. Pathetic and not believable in the slightest based on what we see next week with them digging Brandi's story up from the grave. These women clearly hate Denise and some of them appear to hate Garcelle (I don't think Erika, Dorit or Sutton are against Garcelle at all - it's Kyle, Kyle's irrelevant stalker, and Rinna who don't like her and they will cross her at their peril). Erika continues to be incredibly irrelevant but it's not been a damaging season for her. Unless she needs the money, I'd be exiting if I was her. Dorit and Sutton are both contributing to the lightness and fun of the show and I don't know how this season would have survived without them. They are, to my mind, the two most deserving to hold diamonds, aside from Garcelle and Denise. Rinna is ruining the balance of her career by continuing to do this show. And yes, she's 57 so there's probably not much left in the balance of her career given the ageism so prevalent in Hollywood, so I get why she goes for broke in trying to be as much of a lightning rod on this show as she possibly can...but the QVC business could theoretically carry her for decades, yet I cannot imagine the buying public isn't turned off by some of this behaviour. It's so clear she lied about Garcelle. I'd also just point out I really noticed what appeared to me to be the telltale sign of a facelift when Rinna was not wearing makeup in the scene with Denise. Go back and look at how her ear met her cheek. It's interesting to see how much 'work' is done to just look good in makeup, rather than with a bare face.

That is just gross and evil of Gizelle to even contemplate a rumour like that about an unborn infant. Cancel culture should be coming for her.