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Happy 2001 pages everyone. It’s so fun to post with you all - and it’s been over a decade! Re: Nene. What is the status of her and the upcoming RHOA season? Do we know? Is she still negotiating?

That clearly caught Vyle off guard because she didn't even have a minute to whine "Oh but I DO, Dorit! I love Denise!"...she just had to keep shtum, knowing Denise hates her.

I cannot wait for Potomac! That's exactly what it was and why Vyle made sure she loudly said "And Denise, we don't care!"...like she's some ally. What a bitch.

Like, it was incredible to see two people just say "Nope, nope I am not here for this bullsh*t, I will not be complicit in this" and annihilate Vyle and John Mellencamp's daughter without breaking a sweat. Garcelle has unfollowed Rinna on Instagram. I hope that sticks. Rinna has demonstrated herself to be a loathsome individual.

Dorit is having a banner season. I was practically yelling "You go, girl!" as she stood up to Kyle and kept on making her point. And I applaud Sutton for just letting it fly with John Cougar Mellencamp's daughter. She has called it 100% correctly.

Which is perfect because the last thing we need is another repetitive reunion broken up into 3 unnecessary hours when a solid 1 hour reunion would probably do just fine.

I think NY should film the reunion in Lu's backyard in the Hamptons. Outdoors, everyone in separate seats, natural light, and local.

JFP would have been a disaster at AMC. She had been a destructive element at OLTL from a morale perspective, and she decimated GH creatively, in the long run, sidelining so many vets. She would have struggled with the tone of the show a great deal and also would have struggled with Agnes Nixon's presence. Behr's role wasn't really phased out - she was. There were other VP's in the daytime division at ABC reporting to Frons, and I have zero doubt that she and Frons would not have seen things the same way. It was a fatal error on the part of ABC to hire Frons as President of ABC Daytime, rather than promote Behr. Behr would have excelled. Meanwhile, Frons failed upward all the way to his own termination years later, after he'd cancelled OLTL and AMC. To quote Susan Lucci: "Brian Frons has what, for me, is that fatal combination of ignorance and arrogance."

In hindsight, AMC had a remarkably stable executive producing infrastructure in place and tended to promote from within for much of its run. I look at it as having four main EP era periods: 1. The originating period of 1970 - 1982 is the Agnes Nixon era where she was both EP and HW; 2. The growth period of the balance of the 80s were dominated by Jackie Babbin who had been an ABC executive and was hand picked by Nixon, who was later succeeded by two short lived EPs, but both of whom were hired by Agnes Nixon as well; 3. The hitting its stride period which is the Behr era that lasted from 1989 - 1996, but which I'd argue extended to 2003 through Francesca James and Jean Dadario Burke who both came up through the AMC ranks and were promoted from within; 4. The network interference era where Brian Frons installed EPs of his choosing at all three of the ABC soaps with Julie Hanan Carruthers at AMC. Julie had a long history at GH and PC, and it's somewhat odd that she was placed on AMC when she had a 9 year run between GH and PC in lesser producer roles. You'd have thought she was a natural fit for GH, but at the time JFP was there and it seems Frons wanted to reward Carruthers, with whom he worked with at Santa Barbara. The blessing was that Julie was well liked by the AMC cast and their set was, by in large, a peaceful one. She did a very poor job of policing the creative direction of the show, but under the Frons era, Jesus H. Christ himself would have been powerless.

He'll always be Dynasty's Rashid Ahmed to me:

+1 to all of this. What a great episode. I actually liked the Dorinda/Sonja scene at Romana's party where Dorinda was getting Sonja to admit how much stress she's under.

The way they were acting in the OC was beyond cavalier. Of course, it’s terrible for Shannon and her daughters and I wish them all a speedy recovery, but with the behaviour the OC women were flaunting, they had it coming. These shows should not be filming. If it is not safe enough to film a reunion in a studio they should not be proceeding in the middle of a pandemic in states like California and Texas that are Covid-19 hotspots.

That's why Corday sued Sony - in an attempt to force their hand and actually do something to benefit DAYS. I agree with you wholeheartedly, I think DAYS would do well on Peacock. Sony has no role in B&B. That show is 100% owned by Bell-Phillip Television Productions Inc. It isn't NBC that controls the distribution of DAYS. Sony is the distributor, they market the show to all broadcasters - so it is ultimately Sony who negotiates with NBC for the broadcast rights to the show. Either Sony and NBC have got a deal with streaming, or the rights for streaming remain in limbo. If I were NBC, I'd be insisting on the DAYS episodes for Peacock. It really is a no-brainer.

She did. That house, at the top of Cabrillo Drive in Beverly Hills, was once owned by Joan's friend Laurence Harvey, then Joan owned it for about 10 years, selling it in 1994 right before the Northridge Earthquake (the segment aired after she'd sold it, obviously taped months before), the house was later bought by one of the creators of Will & Grace, then Ellen DeGeneres, and it's current owner is Ryan Seacrest. Joan hasn't owned an actual house in LA since then. She rented in Sierra Towers from 1997 when she started on Pacific Palisades till 2002 when she married Percy and moved to New York. She later purchased in Sierra Towers in 2007 for $2.7 million, sold in Sierra Towers in 2017 for $4.5 million, and purchased her current Wilshire Corridor condo the same year for $2.1 million. This is a recent photo of Joan in said Wilshire Corridor condo to coincide with her appearance in The Originals Podcast for LA Magazine:

Rinna wants to sue Bravo because of a Vanderpump Dogs spinoff? Wants to quit? Wants to burn her bridges? Call her bluff. She is all hat and no cattle.

Agreed on both fronts - I will always resent the last few years of Jeanne's run on the show when they made Katherine this sage font of wisdom interested in business. Jill's mega-hat was everything.

"Don't tempt me, Sheila. Please. Don't...tempt me." Darlene was one in a million and the heart and soul of B&B. The way Sally was written up till about 2004, by which point she'd endured a zillion losses and was just about exhausted from it all, was so complex. Sally Spectra had seen some sh*t in her day. When Sally told Sheila not to tempt her, for once, I believed someone could beat Sheila and was simply not afraid of her.

Indeed - Jeanne definitely fits that description. It's her bone structure and complexion. The lucky thing for all of those who looked older, even when young, is that they also don't hit the same wall, or at least as hard, as those who age rapidly after a certain age.

Jeanne would have turned 56 in 1984 (she was born in 1928). Jeanne looked far beyond her years and could have passed for 70+ when this was filmed. Lots of factors going on. Styling is a huge issue (think of how Jane Wyman looked in Falcon Crest) and it influences our perception, visually. There is also the cultural perception. In the 1980s, people in their 50s were considered 'old.' You figure the Golden Girls were all supposed to be in their 50s throughout the run of the series but would any of us think that Elizabeth Hurley was Golden Girls when she was in The Royals? Our perception of age has changed over time and much of the negative thinking around it has moved on to a more positive position. Nevertheless, Jeanne looked very rough for her age (only 5 years older than Joan Collins) and so much of that comes down to her sun damage, smoking, and alcohol. The facelift can only do so much when the skin is as damaged as hers was. You can see in the facelift footage that the lines around her mouth were intense. I also wouldn't say Jeanne got great mileage out of the facelift. Jeanne ended up having a deep chemical peel years later, which really did improve her skin. She did tweaks over the years and had a lower facelift right around 2007. As an aside, the doctor who actually did Jeanne's facelift was Victoria Principal's former husband, Dr. Harry Glassman. It's his hands that undid the bandages while the actor playing her doctor spoke.

The way she looked in her Covid-19 isolation interviews was just too flattering to be anything other than First Class, A+, Top of the Line, Best in Class, good old fashioned plastic surgery.

RHONY Sonja has proclaimed that she's had a (fabulous) facelift: https://people.com/style/sonja-morgan-reveals-she-got-a-lower-face-lift-and-neck-lift-i-needed-a-pick-me-up/

Like a cadaver of a dictator preserved in wax...

The bold is exactly what's happened. Brandi lied and Denise would not allow Brandi's lies to be broadcast so she threatened Bravo citing the fact that what Brandi said on camera as truth is, in fact, a lie. I hope Garcelle and Denise dragged Rinna, Erika and The Boring One for filth. Especially Rinna. She has been a despicable 'friend'.

So satisfying that LVP has yet another spinoff in the NBC/Universal family. Now I definitely see that the break was not Covid-19 related and that they needed to film new pickups to account for the change in story direction. But I'd like to point out that Cease and Desist letters don't always work...but when they do work, can anyone guess why? It's likely because there is a serious issue with an allegation that makes it impossible or difficult to prove as fact, which means from a legal standpoint you don't have a defense...which means that if Denise were to sue, she'd win. And it seems Bravo realizes that she's "F--king Denise Richards, Kyle" and that means she was not going to get someone's gossip or lies take her down. It's very rich of Rinna to take such exception to all of this and her anger at not being able to run her mouth without impunity is satisfying.

I'm looking forward to Katherine's facelift - that's a legendary one.