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I suspect bad surgeries and/or injections, plus her voice has changed.

Beverlee McKinsey four consecutive Lead Actress nominations. These were the races 1977: Nancy Addison, Helen Gallagher (winner), Beverlee McKinsey, Mary Stuart, Ruth Warrick 1978: Mary Fickett, Jennifer Harmon, Susan Seaforth Hayes, Laurie Heineman (winner), Susan Lucci (her first nomination), Beverlee McKinsey, Victoria Wyndham 1979: Nancy Addison, Irene Dailey (winner), Helen Gallagher, Susan Seaforth Hayes, Beverlee McKinsey, Victoria Wyndham 1980: Julia Barr, Leslie Charleson, Kim Hunter, Judith Light (winner), Beverlee McKinsey, Kathleen Noone Kim Zimmer original run four Lead Actress nominations resulting in three wins. These were the races 1985: Deidre Hall, Susan Lucci, Gillian Spencer, Robin Strasser, Kim Zimmer (winner) 1986: Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Lucci, Peggy McCay, Erika Slezak (winner), Kim Zimmer 1987: Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Lucci, Frances Reid, Marcy Walker, Kim Zimmer (winner) 1990: Jeanne Cooper, Elizabeth Hubbard, Finola Hughes, Susan Lucci, Kim Zimmer (winner) Beverlee McKinsey no Lead Actress nominations for GL but had she gotten nominated in 1991, 1992, 1993 she could have easily won at least one of those years as the Lead Actress races I thought were rather weak.

Marla Adams got an In Memoriam at the end of today's episode.

Yes, Spring 1983 to Summer 1984 Pamela Long got the ratings to rebound from the post-Marland slump and set in motion characters and storylines that would carry GL through its final 25 years but the short-term success ended up causing long-term damage. It was too much chasing 1980s trends which wasn't sustainable and the ratings from Fall 1984 onward reflected that. I may be one of the very few that loved the Robert Calhoun years. I feel GL was going strong and hitting its stride during his run even though the ratings didn't reflect that, which is a disappointment to me.

Look at where the P&G shows were creatively by June 1994: GL Nancy Curlee was gone from the writing team. As the World Turns Douglas Marland material had run out. Another World had been limping along for 15 years by then. The P&G shows were effectively over in the aftermath of OJ.

You're welcome. That was 1990 I believe. What @I Am A Swede is referring to are when actresses were on pregnancy leave.

Larry Hagman was 47 in 1978 and 60 in 1991. It's well known that he was a heavy drinker and his later health issues are documented. Ken Kercheval was 43 in 1978 and 56 in 1991. It's also documented that he was a heavy smoker and had lung cancer in the 1990s.

1996-1998 there were five pregnancy leaves: Tracey Bregman and Hunter Tylo in Fall 1996, KKL in Spring 1997, Hunter Tylo and Kimberlin Brown in early 1998. Those impacted a good number of storylines I'd say.

Or named after alcohol or luxury cars.

B&B started tanking during the second half of 1995, thus that fall Sheila returned and Lauren crossed over. Funny thing is that 1996-1998 Sheila and Lauren were hardly in each other's orbits.

Falcon Crest final two seasons were not necessary and I feel they only happened because CBS was in their third place primetime mess era. Season 8 was a chore to get through and season 9 had a darkness and sadness surrounding it and it was painful to get through. A good amount of the final two seasons I was like "make it make sense". If we're keeping it real, after watching Falcon Crest episodes I was surprised it made it past Spring 1986. 1985/86 was the season tanking was cemented (signs of tanking were showing during the last 10 episodes of 1984/85) as the storylines were so start and stop and most of them didn't really work. I will admit 1986/87 was an improvement but it was still tanking. 1987/88 it started going off the rails and Spring 1988 should have been the end. Spring 1988 to me feels like it should have been the natural end point for 1980s primetime soaps. Its so funny how the fortunes of CBS daytime and primetime were in opposite directions by Fall 1989: killing it in daytime w/ all four soaps at full strength plus the game show block but an absolute mess in primetime.

Victoria Principal denies having anything done, but we all know her second husband was a plastic surgeon so she had access to the best surgery and skincare.

Even the Bill Bell years? We all know Bradley didn't inherit his father's talent.

I suspect she had a facelift sometime between the end of Dallas and starting on Melrose Place.

Hahaha that's hilarious.

You're welcome. 1985/86 was the tank season, but 1986/87 it went off the rails.

Heading into 1985/86, Aaron Spelling had reached his goal of Dynasty being bigger and better than Dallas. Little did we know that there would be a sophomore slaughtering, a sophomore surprise, and a rookie hit waiting in the wings to take off. Just as I did for 1984/85, I divide 1985/86 into pre-Super Bowl and post-Super Bowl Pre-Super Bowl September 25, 1985: The Aftermath (season 6 premiere), rating 28.1 (series high), 3rd for the week. Finished ahead of Murder, She Wrote (September 29: Widow, Weep for Me (season 2 premiere), rating 24.4, 6th); Dallas (September 27: The Family Ewing (Part 1 of season 9 premiere)/Rock Bottom (Part 2 of season 9 premiere), rating 23.9, 7th), and The Golden Girls (September 28: Rose the Prude (episode 3), rating 19.0, 20th). The Cosby Show (September 26: First Day of School (season 2 premiere), rating 31.6) was #1. October 2, 1985: The Homecoming, rating 23.4, 5th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (October 5: Transplant (episode 4), rating 21.8, 12th). The Cosby Show (October 3: The Juicer, rating 30.9) was #1, Dallas (October 4: Those Eyes, rating 23.8) was 3rd; and Murder, She Wrote (October 6: Joshua Peabody Died Here…Possibly, rating 23.5) was 4th. October 9, 1985: The Californians, rating 22.5, 5th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (October 11: Resurrections, rating 21.8, 7th). The Cosby Show (October 10: Happy Anniversary, rating 30.7) was #1 and Murder, She Wrote (October 13: Murder in the Afternoon, rating 24.9) was 2nd. No The Golden Girls on October 12. October 16, 1985: The Man, rating 20.6, 15th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (October 19: The Triangle (episode 5), rating 18.6, 25th). The Cosby Show (October 17: Cliff in Love, rating 31.1) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (October 20: School for Scandal, rating 23.8) was 3rd, and Dallas (October 18: Saving Grace, rating 22.3) was 9th. October 23, 1985: Pre-empted for World Series. The Cosby Show (October 24: Theo and the Older Woman, rating 29.0) was 2nd, Dallas (October 25: Mothers, rating 22.7) was 8th; Murder, She Wrote (October 27: Sing a Song of Murder, rating 21.1) was 10th, and The Golden Girls (October 26: On Golden Girls (episode 6), rating 18.6) was 20th. October 30, 1985: The Gown, rating 22.0, 9th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (November 2: The Competition (episode 7), rating 19.6, 15th). The Cosby Show (October 31: Halloween, rating 30.1) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (November 3: Reflections of the Mind, rating 26.2) was 3rd, and Dallas (November 1: The Wind of Change, rating 23.5) was 7th. November 6, 1985: Pre-empted for North and South. The Cosby Show (November 7: Rudy Suits Up, rating 31.9) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (November 10: A Lady in the Lake, rating 26.9) was 5th, Dallas (November 8: Quandary, rating 22.7) was 11th, and The Golden Girls (November 9: Break-In (episode 8), rating 19.0) was 20th. November 13, 1985: The Titans, rating 24.2, 5th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (November 16: Blanche and the Younger Man (episode 9), rating 23.2, 7th) and Dallas (November 15: Close Encounters, rating 23.1, 9th). The Cosby Show (November 14: Denise Drives, rating 31.7) was #1. No Murder, She Wrote on November 17. November 20, 1985: The Decision, rating 22.4, 8th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (November 22: Suffer the Little Children, rating 22.0, 10th). The Cosby Show (November 21: Clair’s Sister, rating 35.3) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (November 24: Dead Heat, rating 25.0) was 3rd, and The Golden Girls (November 23: Heart Attack (episode 10), rating 23.6) was 6th. November 27, 1985: The Proposal, rating 20.6, 13th for the week. Murder, She Wrote (December 1: Jessica Behind Bars, rating 26.4) was 4th, The Golden Girls (November 30: The Return of Dorothy’s Ex (episode 11), rating 23.2) was 7th, and Dallas (November 29: The Prize, rating 21.4) was 11th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on November 28. December 4, 1985: The Close Call, rating 21.8, 8th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (December 7: The Custody Battle (episode 12), rating 20.3, 13th). The Cosby Show (December 5: Clair’s Toe, rating 36.2) was #1 and Dallas (December 6: En Passant, rating 22.0) was 7th. No Murder, She Wrote on December 8. December 11, 1985: The Quarrels, rating 21.4, 12th for the week. The Cosby Show (December 12: Denise’s Friend, rating 35.4) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (December 15: Sticks & Stones, rating 26.5) was 3rd; Dallas (December 13: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen; rating 22.6) was 9th, and The Golden Girls (December 14: A Little Romance (episode 13), rating 21.9) was 10th. December 18, 1985: The Roadhouse, rating 20.0, 12th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (December 21: That Was No Lady (episode 14), rating 19.3, 14th). Dallas (December 20: Curiosity Killed the Cat, rating 21.1) was 5th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on December 19. No Murder, She Wrote on December 22. December 25, 1985: The Solution, rating 17.7, 15th for the week. Murder, She Wrote (December 29: Murder Digs Deep, rating 24.0) was 4th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on December 26. No Dallas on December 27. The Golden Girls was a repeat on December 28. January 1, 1986: Pre-empted for Sugar Bowl. The Cosby Show (January 2: Mrs. Westlake, rating 34.9) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (January 5: Murder by Appointment Only, rating 26.1) was 4th, and Dallas (January 3: The Missing Link, rating 21.9) was 13th. The Golden Girls was a repeat on January 4. January 8, 1986: Suspicions, rating 21.1, 18th for the week. The Cosby Show (January 9: The Auction, rating 35.9) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (January 12: Trial by Error, rating 28.5 (season high)) was 3rd, The Golden Girls (January 11: In a Bed of Rose’s (episode 15), rating 24.0) was 8th, and Dallas (January 10: Twenty Four Hours, rating 22.1) was 12th. January 15, 1986: The Alarm, rating 20.4, 17th for the week. The Cosby Show (January 16: Vanessa’s Bad Grade, rating 38.5) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (January 19: Keep the Home Fries Burning, rating 28.1) was 3rd, The Golden Girls (January 18: The Truth Will Out (episode 16), rating 24.2) was 7th, and Dallas (January 17: The Deadly Game, rating 23.2) was 8th. January 22, 1986: The Vigil, rating 24.2, 5th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (January 24: Blame it on Bogota, rating 22.0, 11th). The Cosby Show was a repeat on January 23. The Golden Girls was a repeat on January 25. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on January 26. On a win-loss basis, Dynasty pre-Super Bowl was 0-11 vs. new episodes of The Cosby Show, 1-10 vs. new episodes of Murder, She Wrote; 5-9 vs. Dallas, and 7-5 vs. new episodes of The Golden Girls. Dynasty has no chance of another #1 season, it’s jockeying for position in the Top 10. Post-Super Bowl January 29, 1986: The Accident, rating 23.9, 4th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (February 1: Nice and Easy (episode 17), rating 22.8, 10th) and Dallas (January 31: Shadow Games, rating 20.9, 13th). The Cosby Show (January 30: Theo and Cockroach, rating 36.0) was #1 and The Cosby Show special episode (February 2: The Dentist, rating 27.6) was 3rd. No Murder, She Wrote on February 2. February 5, 1986: Souvenirs, rating 20.2, 15th for the week. Murder, She Wrote (February 9: Powder Keg, rating 25.9) was 3rd; Dallas (February 7: Missing, rating 22.2) was 8th, and The Golden Girls (February 8: The Operation (episode 18), rating 21.5) was 12th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on February 6. February 12, 1986: The Divorce, rating 22.5. 6th for the week. Finished ahead of The Golden Girls (February 15: Second Motherhood (episode 19), rating 21.7, 10th) and Dallas (February 14: Dire Straits, rating 21.0, 12th). The Cosby Show (February 13: Play it Again, Russell; rating 35.2) was #1 and Murder, She Wrote (February 16: Murder in the Electric Cathedral, rating 26.5) was 3rd. February 19, 1986: The Dismissal, rating 22.6, 9th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (February 21: Overture, rating 20.8, 15th). The Cosby Show (February 20: A Touch of Wonder, rating 36.4) was #1; Murder, She Wrote (February 23: One Good Bid Deserves a Murder, rating 26.4) was 3rd, and The Golden Girls (February 22: Adult Education (episode 20), rating 25.2 (season high)) was 5th. February 26, 1986: Ben, rating 19.8, 15th for the week. The Cosby Show (February 27: Full House, rating 39.0 (season high)) was #1, The Golden Girls (March 1: Flu Attack (episode 21), rating 24.6) was 5th, and Dallas (February 28: Sitting Ducks, rating 20.6) was 10th. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on March 2. March 5, 1986: Masquerade, rating 22.0, 7th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (March 7: Masquerade, rating 20.9, 13th). Murder, She Wrote (March 9: If a Body Meet a Body, rating 26.4) was 3rd and The Golden Girls (March 8: Job Hunting (episode 22), rating 22.3) was 6th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on March 6. March 12, 1986: The Subpoenas, rating 22.6, 6th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (March 14: Just Deserts, rating 19.9, 14th). The Cosby Show (March 13: Close to Home, rating 34.8) was #1. The Golden Girls was a repeat on March 15. No Murder, She Wrote on March 16. March 19, 1986: The Trial (Part 1), rating 21.3, 10th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (March 21: Nothing’s Ever Perfect, rating 19.4, 15th). The Cosby Show (March 20: An Early Spring, rating 36.4) was #1. The Golden Girls was a repeat on March 22. No Murder, She Wrote on March 23. March 26, 1986: The Trial (Part 2), rating 20.2, 12th for the week. Murder, She Wrote (March 30: Christopher Bundy Died on Sunday, rating 23.7) was 4th and The Golden Girls (March 29: Blind Ambitions (episode 23), rating 21.8) was 7th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on March 27. No Dallas on March 28. April 2, 1986: The Vote, rating 21.1, 11th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (April 4: J.R.’s Rising, rating 19.8, 16th). The Cosby Show (April 3: Theo’s Holiday, rating 34.3) was #1 and Murder, She Wrote (April 6: Menace, Anyone?; rating 25.7) was 3rd. The Golden Girls was a repeat on April 5. April 9, 1986: The Warning, rating 21.0, 9th for the week. Finished ahead of Dallas (April 11: Serendipity, rating 20.0, 14th). The Cosby Show (April 10: The Card Game, rating 34.6) was #1 and Murder, She Wrote (April 13: The Perfect Foil, rating 25.8) was 3rd. The Golden Girls was a repeat on April 12. April 16, 1986: The Cry, rating 19.2, 13th for the week. The Cosby Show was a repeat on April 17. No Dallas on April 18. The Golden Girls was a repeat on April 19. No Murder, She Wrote on April 20. April 23, 1986: Pre-empted for Alex: The Life of a Child. The Cosby Show was a repeat on April 24. No Dallas on April 25. The Golden Girls was a repeat on April 26. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on April 27. April 30, 1986: The Rescue, rating 19.5, 12th for the week. The Golden Girls (May 3: Big Daddy (episode 24), rating 21.7) was 5th and Dallas (May 2: Thrice in a Lifetime, rating 19.7) was 11th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on May 1. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on May 4. May 7, 1986: Pre-empted for North and South: Book II. The Cosby Show (May 8: Off to the Races, rating 28.3) was #1, The Golden Girls (May 10: The Way We Met (season 1 finale), rating 19.9) was 11th, and Dallas (May 9: Hello-Goodbye-Hello, rating 18.6) was 15th. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on May 11. May 14, 1986: The Triple-Cross, rating 20.5, 9th for the week. The Cosby Show (May 15: Denise’s Decision (season 2 finale), rating 31.8) was #1, Dallas (May 16: Blast from the Past (season 9 finale), rating 24.9 (season high)) was 3rd; and Murder, She Wrote (May 18: If the Frame Fits (season 2 finale), rating 21.7) was 6th. May 21, 1986: The Vendetta (season 6 finale), rating 21.9, 4th for the week. On a win-loss basis, Dynasty post-Super Bowl was 0-9 vs. new episodes of The Cosby Show, 0-8 vs. new episodes of Murder, She Wrote; 8-4 vs. Dallas, 2-6 vs. new episodes of The Golden Girls. At the end of the season, The Cosby Show was #1; Murder, She Wrote was 3rd (the highest-rated drama), Dallas was 6th, and Dynasty and The Golden Girls tied for 7th. 1985/86 would be Dynasty last season as a Top 10 show. As we saw earlier in the thread 1986/87 was the big ratings drop resulting in a Top 10 fallout.

In CBS drama history, Dallas 14 season run ties it w/ Knots Landing, NCIS: Los Angeles, Blue Bloods, and places it behind NCIS, Gunsmoke, Lassie, CSI, Criminal Minds. If Dallas had continued into the 1990s, it would have looked old school next to Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, NYPD Blue, ER. It's so funny that Dallas final season overlapped w/ Beverly Hills 90210 first season, Dallas ended Spring 1991, and Beverly Hills 90210 blew up with the Summer 1991 episodes. The natural end point I think was Spring 1988 but when watching the episodes Dallas was effectively over Spring 1989 w/ Sue Ellen departure. The final two seasons I don't feel were necessary and they only happened because CBS was in their third place primetime mess era. I recognize Dallas place in television history as the most successful primetime soap and as Larry Hagman's career resurgence that became his second signature role or some may say his career-defining role, plus the influence it had on the daytime soaps.

Thank you for the answers @j swift and @NothinButAttitude.

As we saw in the 1980s ratings thread, June 1981 to May 1982 Ryan's Hope was competitive vs. Y&R, even winning the time slot in some weeks. The tide shifted June 1982 when Y&R rebounded from their post-expansion slump and Ryan's Hope began to fall. 1983 Y&R blew up and the rest is history. Did Tichina Arnold contribute anything or was she mentioned? In past interviews she spoke positively of Michael Levin and she posted a memoriam to him on social media.

@j swift You're welcome. I don't know of any site where TV Guide articles are posted though.

@j swift It was TV Guide, not SOD TV Guide Magazine: The Cover Archive 1953 - today! | 1986 | August 30, 1986

What a time to have been alive when Dallas was the biggest television show on the planet. Four episodes in one week is crazy.

You are killing me 🤣 Knowing Josh Griffith, I'm expecting May 2024 to be 10% good, 90% garbage time.

I wonder if EB didn't submit his name for most of the 1980s/first half of the 1990s. His previous nominations were 1987, 1990, 1996-2000, 2004, with the win in 1998.