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@JoeCool The ABC soaps got their highest ratings in the Northeast and on the West Coast, whereas the CBS soaps got their highest ratings in the South and Midwest, Chicago being the exception in the Midwest. ABC soaps dominated the major media markets New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and I would also think they dominated Boston, Philadelphia; Washington, DC; San Francisco, Seattle.

Thank you for the reply @Khan I take it Knots Landing was your favorite of the 1980s big four primetime soaps.

A look back at 1984/85, the best and most pivotal television season of the 1980s, as we approach its 40th anniversary. #1 CBS (1983/84 #1) Top 10: 2. Dallas (1983/84 #1), 4. 60 Minutes (1983/84 2nd), 7. Simon & Simon (1983/84 5th); 8. Murder, She Wrote (first season); 9. Knots Landing (1983/84 11th), 10. Falcon Crest (1983/84 7th), 10. Crazy Like a Fox (first season) Top 30: 15. Magnum, P.I. (1983/84 6th); 16. Newhart (1983/84 23rd), 17. Kate & Allie (1983/84 8th), 22. Scarecrow & Mrs. King (1983/84 20th), 28. Cagney & Lacey (1983/84 10th); 29. Trapper John, M.D. (1983/84 30th) Top 30 fallout: CBS Tuesday movie (1983/84 25th) Below the Top 30: Airwolf Final season: AfterMASH (1983/84 15th), The Jeffersons (1983/84 19th), Alice (1983/84 25th), The Dukes of Hazzard, Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer New fall show returning in 1985/86: Murder, She Wrote New midseason show returning in 1985/86: Crazy Like a Fox 2nd NBC (1983/84 3rd) Top 10: 3. The Cosby Show (first season), 5. Family Ties (1983/84 below the Top 30), 6. The A-Team (1983/84 4th) Top 30: 12. Cheers (1983/84 below the Top 30); 14. Riptide (1983/84 18th), 18. NBC Monday movie (1983/84 21st), 19. Highway to Heaven (first season), 20. Night Court (1983/84 below the Top 30), 22. TV's Bloopers & Practical Jokes (1983/84 14th), 25. Remington Steele (1983/84 below the Top 30), 30. Hill Street Blues (1983/84 below the Top 30) Top 30 fallouts: The Facts of Life (1983/84 24th), Knight Rider (1983/84 25th) Below the Top 30: NBC Sunday movie, Gimme a Break!, Silver Spoons, St. Elsewhere Final season: Diff'rent Strokes (moved to ABC for 1985/86), Double Trouble New fall shows returning in 1985/86: The Cosby Show, Highway to Heaven, Punky Brewster, Miami Vice, Hunter 3rd ABC (1983/84 2nd) Top 10: #1 Dynasty (1983/84 3rd) Top 30: 12. Hotel (1983/84 9th), 21. ABC Sunday movie (1983/84 12th), 22. The Fall Guy (1983/84 16th), 25. Monday Night Football (1983/84 21st), 25. Webster (1983/84 25th) Top 30 fallouts: ABC Monday movie (1983/84 12th), The Love Boat (1983/84 17th), Hardcastle and McCormick (1983/84 25th) Below the Top 30: Benson, Monday Night Baseball, 20/20, Ripley's Believe it or Not!, Life's Most Embarrassing Moments Final season: T.J. Hooker (moved to CBS for 1985/86), Matt Houston; Foul Ups, Bleeps & Blunders New fall shows returning in 1985/86: Who's the Boss?, ABC Thursday movie New midseason shows returning in 1985/86: Moonlighting, Mr. Belvedere 1984/85 is best remembered for being the peak of primetime soaps and for the premieres of some of the most popular shows of the 1980s: The Cosby Show; Murder, She Wrote; Miami Vice, Who's the Boss, Moonlighting. Little did we know at the time the impact the breakout success of The Cosby Show and the surprise success of Murder, She Wrote would have on their respective networks and that impact is still being felt nearly 40 years later.

I see what you did there @BoldRestless . Oh, the shade 🤣

What did you think when Knots Landing got more corporate and glamorous during season 5? I wonder if that was done in response to Dynasty blowing up and being a pop culture phenomenon. We can say that to an extent about all three CBS primetime soaps. Knots Landing added Kevin Dobson and William Devane to the main cast to draw the male audience away from Hill Street Blues and that worked. As we all know, when the CBS primetime soaps went into budget mode it was mostly the long time female cast members that were salary dumped and not the males. Then there's the factor of Les Moonves moving up the ranks at Lorimar (1985 executive in the movie/mini-series division, 1988 Head of Creative Affairs, 1990 President). Between Leonard Katzman, Michael Filerman, and Les Moonves, I don't know who was the worst of the worst at Lorimar.

I knew it! 😆 Back to regular Y&R discussion. Here's hoping for less garbage time.

100% this.

Of course you did

This might be old news to those who follow track and field outside the Olympics, but its new to me. I really hope Noah Lyles doesn't run into any of the USA basketball team in Paris, because some s--- might go down.

You're welcome @DRW50

(EXCLUSIVE) Joan Van Ark Reacts to the Death of 'Knots' Landing' Husband Doug Sheehan: "My Heart ... and 'Valene's' Heart ... is Broken" - Michael Fairman TV

CBS 10 am/10:30 am clearances dropping. Blackout came and went. $25000 Pyramid had a comeback. Family Feud replaces $25000 Pyramid in July. Scrabble clearances dropped w/ the move to 12:30 pm in September. I'm expecting Scrabble ratings to drop further as their time at 12:30 pm overlaps w/ Y&R rise to #1. ABC not a factor. What was WBBM thinking when they made that move? If it was primetime, forget tank job, that's sabotage.

I liked Ben as well, and agree that his exit story wasn't very good. I also liked Val/Ben together. Val's love for Ben was a grown adult love that allowed her to move on with her life.

That I have never been able to figure out. I don't even think I've seen any article that mentions NBC daytime's strongest media markets.

@Reverend Ruthledge Corrected, thank you. I don't know how I missed that typo.

January 23-27, 1989 must have been the week we first saw a masked Roger. I think it was sometime in February that Roger unmasked himself, then in the last week of May Springfield learned Roger survived the fall off the cliff in Santo Domingo.

RIP Douglas Sheehan. Agree @yrfan1983, 75 is young.

When Y&R had the 2010 remote in New Orleans, it was reported that New Orleans was Y&R's #1 media market. I know at one time Y&R's #1 media market was St. Louis and St. Louis aired Y&R at 4 pm head-to-head w/ Oprah.

@Gray Bunny I thought of Chicago as a Y&R/CBS city, considering the Bells were originally based there and Lee Bell had a local talk show. I got the impression that Lee Bell was a precursor of sorts to Oprah. Correct me if I'm wrong but did Lee Bell's talk show end just before Oprah went national?

The first set of post-Oprah game show ratings. $25000 Pyramid and Card Sharks clearances dropped a little. NBC other than Wheel of Fortune and Scrabble not looking so great. ABC also not looking so great. We know September 1987 NBC ends Wordplay and moves Scrabble to 12:30 pm.

Three tiers have formed: Bell shows and Days at the top, ABC big three middle of the pack, P&G shows at the bottom.

@JAS0N47 Thank you for the clarification re ABC 10 am programming.

The game show ratings are now four months away from Oprah going national. November 1986 chart I'm expecting a drop in clearances for the game shows not named The Price is Right. ABC hadn't programmed 10 am at all since the 1970s; I'm not sure if they ever did. NBC gave up 4 pm in December 1977. ABC gave up 4 pm in December 1984. CBS gave up 4 pm in September 1986. We can see ABC struggling w/ 11 am and I don't think they had any success at 11 am until The View. It will be interesting to see if NBC Wheel of Fortune clearances were impacted by Oprah going national.

Thank you @JAS0N47

Y&R this week: Lauren departs Genoa City. B&B this week: Lauren arrives in Los Angeles. B&B this week: Sheila returns. B&B started tanking (at least to me) after Sheila's goodbye party, thus these moves by Bradley.