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And to think that so many people, myself included, took one look at Kelly's body language at the Press Conference from Hell and assumed he was just as embarrassed as we were about his boss' "both sides" hissy fit. #ShouldaKnownBetter

Favorite response: "I think this means we're in the Upside Down." (And I don't even watch "Stranger Things.") John Kelly's either just as rotten as Trump, or he's ingested some of TrumpCo.'s Kool-Aid in order to survive. Either way, I'm done with the guy. Remember when Mary Hartman had a nervous breakdown on "The David Susskind Show"? That's what Carter Page is reminding me of right now.

Netflix hopes to keep HOC alive in some form: http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/30/house-of-cards-spinoffs-early-talks-netflix/

Here, here!

I'm just talking about the overall state of things in this country since Trump was elected, and how the implosion and disintegration of his administration is happening much sooner than I had expected. Then again, I think, as destructive as TrumpCo. has been to the country, maybe American government itself has been on a collision course for a long time; and TrumpCo. isn't the train wreck but rather the collateral damage. ...Or something like that, lol.

On the one hand, I see what's going on, and I think, "Gosh, how did the wheels fall off this wagon so damn quickly?". But, OTOH, maybe the wheels have been off all along, and for whatever reason, we just didn't see it until now. Know what I mean?

Reading about your ordeal just breaks my spirit, Amy. Thank God that you were ultimately vindicated and that you were able to receive the professional help that you needed to cope. I pray that all women out there who have been through what you went through come out on the other side as well. I see what you mean. Mama Khan was STUNNED when she learned Luther Vandross was gay. But I was, like, "C'mon, you couldn't tell??". Truthfully, I suspected Spacey was gay when I watched him all those years ago on "Fall from Grace," the NBC miniseries where he portrayed Jim Bakker. My gaydar pinged before I even knew the concept, lol. Meanwhile: Celebrities ain't havin' none of his [!@#$%^&*].

You know...this is the kind of [!@#$%^&*] that caused people to create the Hays Office back in the day. IJS. Don't worry. As we speak, he's still packing his bags and finding good homes for all his pets. Yup.

My guess? It'll blow up. Others will come forward about Spacey. And yes, I agree, "House of Cards" will fold. You know, it wasn't enough for Spacey just to apologize for the incident. No, the preening s.o.b. had to try for another Oscar-worthy performance and drop a bombshell that, frankly, wasn't a bombshell. (If you are shocked that Kevin Spacey is gay, then congratulations for emerging from your coma.) On the one hand, I GUESS I should applaud his coming out (even if, again, just about everyone knew already). But, OTOH, part of me feels that that is TOTALLY beside the point. The fact that Kevin Spacey is out of the closet now does not and should not, in any way, mitigate what he did to Anthony Rapp and Lord knows who else. Oh, well. I'm just proud of Rapp for finding the courage to talk about this incident after living with it for so long.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Val Kilmer reveal years ago that his and Spacey's friendship broke apart after Spacey borrowed money from his mother and never paid her back? Or was it the other way around (Kilmer borrowed the dough from Spacey's mom and never paid it back)? Anyway, reading about this brought that incident to mind. What pisses me off about this (aside from Spacey's deplorable behavior that evening) is that this will likely fuel the paranoia many homophobes have against gay men (namely, that they're all depraved individuals who think nothing of raping underaged boys).

Roger Stone's Twitter account was suspended? Good.

I wish Tucker would shut up, if only because I suspect there's a skeleton or two in HIS closet as well.

Yup. I, for one, have always found it suspicious that the three states that experts said (before election night) Trump needed to win ended up being the three states that HELPED him win. At the end of the day, money talks, and everything else walks. So if FNC's revenues are truly plummeting, then I would expect some major changes, both in the content of their "news" stories, and in the folks delivering them to us at home. (Rupert Murdoch's sons have been itching for the chance to make FNC more CNN-like. This might give them that chance.)

Try most of her catalog, Toups. I'm sorry, but it's clear Tay-Tay employs SOME kind of track sweetener to smooth over the VERY rough spots in her voice. Maybe "Autotune" isn't the right word, but she uses something.

Hopefully, by then, she'll stop using Autotune as a crutch and learn how to [!@#$%^&*] sing.

I'm surprised as well, amy. IIRC, Stefano impersonated "The King" in order to impregnate Susan. JER easily could've written a story where Elvis' spirit began battling Stefano for possession of his body.

Not as THE Elvis Presley, though, right? Because, if so, then Ron Carlivati's just as bizarre in his thinking as JER.

Seriously, could we round up all these pervs and, like, exile them to some remote island, or something? Heck, make it a new reality series, if you want! Just ensure they never come anywhere near any women ever again.

Don't get me wrong: I understand the need to sacrifice accuracy (especially about something that -- let's face it -- is not part of the mainstream) for the sake of a joke. But, c'mon, you can be accurate AND STILL make the joke. When it comes to soap operas, it's really not that difficult to do, lol. Ironically, THAT would be a classic Brad Bell move, lol. I actually remember the episode with Pamela Anderson, if only because Dorothy Lyman played the Y&R director who was directing Heather in a scene with Lyman's former AMC classmate, Peter Bergman.

I've always said there was a stark difference between the Donald Trump that I remember from the '80's, during his "Art of the Deal" heyday, and the Donald Trump that I see today. Maybe it's because of his "Apprentice" fame, but it seems to me that he used to be better at hiding his true colors. IDK whether it would make any difference. However, how sad is it that I would welcome Mitt [!@#$%^&*] Romney running for Congress? Once again, that's what we have been reduced to, ladies and gentlemen.

IIRC, Donald's dad died from Alzheimer's complications, so the threat of his also having the disease is there.

Ah, so, lol. Thanks for the explanation, Leelea, and welcome to the board! It probably isn't THAT big of a deal that they would use a clip from AMC (although, given the time period, I'd be more inclined to use a clip from GH or even Y&R). I think I'm more amazed by the fact that they actually used a clip from 1984 and not '83 or '85 or whatever. They took the time to get that right, and to me, that's incredible. Meanwhile, I'm STILL smarting from "The Nanny" and their egregious Y&R reference, having Fran say Snapper Foster and Ashley Abbott had had a baby which was then stolen from her. (It was clear no one who worked on TN had ever watched Y&R.) That's how particky I am when it comes to non-soaps referencing real soaps.

Thanks to that damn Ron Carlivati, though, Lee Halpern's "death" didn't quite take. IIRC, didn't the shooting occur during the '88 WGA strike?

One word: money. It was probably cheaper to hire a new actor than to keep employing Harris, whose salary probably had increased with each season (as most actors' salaries on long-running series tend to do). Anyway, that's my theory.

I had a feeling, lol. I don't watch ST, because sci-fi and horror aren't my cup of tea. However, having seen the link that Leelea graciously provided upthread, I have to ask: Also, I'm really curious as to how and why the Duffer brothers would write AMC into their show. Were they or their mother fans or something? Or maybe they just came across it on YT -- I'm sure it's out there -- and said, "Yeah, let's use that." Usually, when people incorporate soaps in that fashion, they always get it wrong (either use a clip from the wrong year, mix up storylines or create them from whole cloth, mention characters or actors that never were on the show, etc.). Ergo, it's just so intriguing to me how, for once, someone gets it right.