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HWs often come in ghostwriting before their names are on the credits, yeah. I'd assume Jackie's recollection is correct, then.

The kid playing Spencer is still a bit wooden but he has charisma and the longstanding bratty personality to make up for his green skills, and chemistry with his castmates. I will never like Britt or her paper-thin character since Day One but the relationship between the two exists and I'm glad it was serviced. He really should be bi eventually because he pinged off the scale with Britt, but that's a problem for another day. I still don't understand when Spencer turned on Ava; I thought they were friendly when Bechtel appeared with her as Ava tried to reconcile him and Nikolas just after Nik's return from the dead. Maybe I misinterpreted, but it was clear to me at the time they were propping Ava up with his support. Speaking of Ava, West and Coloma still have chemistry but I must say that the longer she's on the show the more Ava's every emotional scene leans further and further into what @DRW50long ago termed as "Fire Marshall Bill from In Living Color" camp. Any time Maura gets going with the arch drama all I see is Fire Marshall Bill! I love it, but I can only take Ava so seriously as an empathetic person. She is out for Ava.

Laura Wright has never played around on job security. She's tough as nails.

I liked her and Buck on Loving and TC. I think all the other pairings, which varied in quality of storytelling, still had chemistry. Either way, to each their own.

I get why people would be turned off by Tess. Looking at her today, comparing her to the much more hysterical neuroses of the later Lindsay on OLTL whose years of pain about her broken marriage and family always drove her mania - and I loved Lindsay for who she was - I still think the Tess character is sharper and more fun. But I understand that characters like her and values like hers coming to the fore helped change the show into what it became, and I understand that people's feelings on that change are complex.

We discussed it recently but I still would love to determine who exactly introduced Bobbie. Jackie I believe has always maintained it's Marland (though I haven't checked in awhile) but she allegedly started in '77. Marland could've been writing before Monty officially took over in January '78; it's happened many times with people's names not quite on the scripts yet (see: Malone at OLTL in late summer '91, Labine in '93 in the same period). But I just don't know.

It's nice that people grew up watching BTVS, I did too, but there's never been a single shred of evidence to back up SMG's side of the story. I will always appreciate Sarah for the work she's done on TV and for her intense and fierce defense of the soaps, and I'd welcome her back as Kendall if the AMC primetime thing goes to series, but she beefed with Lucci for clout when no one else has ever said an unkind word about her, AFAIK. That's all there is to it and it's on her.

It ultimately won't matter what the Beltway does if the public doesn't buy it. At the moment, they don't. Given Beltway past practices, they'll grudgingly acknowledge this in 4-6 weeks and immediately move to another story.

This will go in the other thread as well, but it's important as Bade/Politico have been trashed for 24 hours to the point that she and the magazine have once again let the mask slip with some key wording. And yes, she got ratioed again. There's been huge pushback on this spin overnight despite it being taken to the airwaves, so I predict it will, like so many others, be grudgingly withdrawn in the coming days as the Beltway press refuse to acknowledge they spun it or were wrong about public opinion.

I think Cat had chemistry with just about everyone they put her with on Loving, including Robert Tyler. But I don't think Trucker/Tess would've worked as an actual couple at all despite her clearly being infatuated with him. She was bad news. Tess was a tougher and more cynical character than Lindsay Rappaport on OLTL; Tess would've played her into a corner many times. I second the PAS/Heinle chemistry - they had it. The quad with them, LW and Weatherly was so dynamic with the chemistry between each one, it was so modular that they were able to play variations or add other people into it and just circle them around each other forever. I thought Ava's last scenes were good, and I loved her last little speech to Alex. But I don't think they felt like last scenes. Right to the end I kept expecting her to turn up one more time. I know they'd intended to use her kids on TC and of course that didn't happen. If there was ever a chance to do a little LOV tribute on ABC today, I'd go after Lisa and Randolph Mantooth for it in a second. (Don't get me started on what I'd do with a Loving-themed Halloween episode) I guess someone has re-uploaded a few episodes. Not quite the quality I remember, but still serviceable. Here's Ava's final monologue again. I rhapsodized about the genius of Lisa Peluso as Ava last summer as revisiting the Loving Murders (and 90s Loving in general) helped me weather 2020, so I won't do that again, but she's so good.

Bobbie was so evil back then, in that whole era I've been diving into lately ('78-'80 atm, with some '77). I love it.

The minimum wage was always going to be a longshot at best on that bill, and anyway who told you otherwise was in fantasy camp. The rest of your language about Democrats is straight out of right wing framing and the Joe Rogan Show. They haven't, though. The actual polling and numbers do not support that the public believes that about 1/6 at all. The public does not agree with the Beltway often, and whenever that happens the Beltway often then grudgingly course corrects and refuses to acknowledge they said otherwise. This is a process we have seen play out regularly for over a decade. It does not make it real. Every time the Beltway media says something, it does not automatically become the accepted public wisdom and popular. If it did we'd still be dealing with President Marco Rubio or Tim Pawlenty. Most of the offline public also has no idea who Krystal Ball is - or, as I keep saying, Josh Kraushaar, who has become increasingly irrelevant from the public square in the last decade to the point of soon ending up on Newsmax. Most people don't know these people. Twitter is not the actual political paradigm, especially not when viewed through the lens of fading Republican pundits and angry leftists.

Another shining moment in several folks' posting history.

Bade has, amazingly, already been ratioed by nearly 1000 tweets in just 35 minutes.

Josh Kraushaaar is a longtime Republican spin agent who's dwindled in relevance over the last decade, but even he can't make Sinema look bulletproof. LOL: True, and I'll put it in both threads since it always needs to be said: It is not, in fact, a gift for Republicans just bc Beltway pundits who often came out of conservative college journals or think-tanks say it is. This won't matter to anyone outside the Beltway. But you'll see a lot of snide and sullen language from the usual suspects like Bade, who all came up as cub reporters listening raptly to Boehner and Mitch and now enjoy following Manchin around. When Dems outmaneuver Republicans, they're always pissed.

Based on the list of past prognostications I already listed which you can't admit you were wrong about or acknowledge happened, I don't need to check any more of your previous posts to know you're consistently wrong and don't acknowledge it. Meanwhile you keep coming back to insist we listen to what you're hearing from Republicans on social media, because as we know, Republicans are all-powerful and always win, except when they don't and you stop posting. And I'm far from an 'establishment Dem,' lol. I just don't live in the reality you create entirely on FB and Twitter. Anyway, I'll pass and you can feel free to ignore the infrastructure reconciliation package when it goes through, then show up in November claiming it didn't really matter just like the Jobs Plan and the Child Tax Credit. But moving on: Any progressive claiming the real issue is "economics and class" is a white person deeply uncomfortable with racial and sexual politics who prefers to keep the narrative centered on and prioritizing their voice and their needs first and foremost. The dead end wing of the left learned the hard way that didn't work in the last five years, and those that still don't accept it are heading to Fox News.

Biden is far from above my criticism. But Biden wasn't in office when you were saying most of these things that would definitely happen. Did they happen, or is it possible you just spend your days doomscrolling Republicans and Bernie Bros on social media while you lose touch with reality? Nice dodge on 'scaling back' though. I see you've learned from the Young Turks, et al the strategic lean that whenever the Dems take a win it automatically doesn't count because of any one measure that is removed. That's why you tried to immediately dismiss the Jobs Plan, which was a major success. I'll see you back here when we pass the reconciliation package and you can say it doesn't count because it's not six trillion dollars, which was never going to happen and was always a strategic move by Sanders. You can even tell me how many Republicans on Facebook you've met who are sure it will fail.

I don't know who it was who said here (probably dc) that Guza was testing Trucker and Angie early on. That would've been great, although I thought Agnes was the one responsible for hiring Debbi Morgan (she did still have a producing interest in the show, so she could've done that regardless of being HW at the time perhaps). I also don't feel I've seen enough of Trucker and Trisha to fully judge. I do love Alex and Ava.

Count me in as someone who doesn't think Trucker/Trisha are all that, but I've only watched a handful of their prime era. I think Tucker and Dinahlee are hot as hell, and I like what I've seen of the long Trucker/Stacey tease. That's a pairing that would've happened had the show gone on a bit longer, if only due to creative inertia - in the late 90s and 2000s, most soaps seemed to get around to couples that never quite made it. I also think Clay and Dinahlee really had chemistry, both with Malloy and Parlato (though admittedly the story with Malloy seems very, very silly). I liked that they kept that tortured chemistry going when Parlato assumed the role.

There was never likely to be the minimum wage increase in that bill despite hopes, but it was still a pretty strong bill. But go ahead and dog it. Everything else you've said is on record and most of it was always wrong, despite you breathlessly coming here each time to tell us what Republicans on Twitter were telling you.