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I have a very hard time believing this was Frank's idea. Frank likes a GH he can control and mold that is peppy and cheap and most of all, on the air. He's had GH all to himself for almost a decade. The attitude he (and Ron) have always had about it that I can see is 'apres moi, le deluge.'

Again, what people fail to factor in about Elizabeth Korte is that Korte has been there since 1996. She came up under the very, very, very good writers' corps from Labine and Guza I-II that was absolutely rock solid. You could've put the show on ABC at night at times in those years without disrupting primetime's pedigree. It was that good and that was because of those scripts and those actors. Many of those writers lingered even as the show slowly got bad and then very bad in the 2000s; even in really ugly times they could still turn out really shockingly great, literate scenes all the way to 2011. Then Guza was gone, Frank came in with Ron and almost everyone remaining was purged. Except Korte. I have a real long memory. Since I remember hearing her name in 2001 or so, Korte has been blamed online for everything imaginable on the show, especially re: Carly. But Korte has been there all along. She was, until now, maybe the last remaining writer on staff who knows what it is like to write this show for more than pure equilibrium and put it on without it being about 90 second scenes. And I don't think she's ever gotten enough credit for that. It takes more than one writer or creative or executive to make Carly the center of the show. And Carly took the rock plenty of times in those years. As for Mulcahey, his legend speaks for itself. I am 100% back for this, however it turns out. He also has talked about having much of his historical material for the family (as part of the Great Migration) cut. B&B is paid retirement for good writers. Brad writes that show.

It's all good news to me. Patrick Mulcahey is a GH legend. let alone a soap legend. I am floored they got him back and this will have me back. If they disappoint, well, I've been disappointed before.

Holy fúck.

I really loved his work in Dawn too. The movie holds up so well. He was so fun on the commentary track too. He'll be sorely missed. Lee Grant is back at it:

A hell of a statement, and it reminds me of @Khan's. Dee has always been good at these.

Another legend.

If that happens then you've got a real incendiary mix. I have many issues with Frank's stewardship but I'm not sure anyone else could've kept the show afloat for the last decade, let alone save it in 2012. The current HWs seem like nice guys with a lot of spirit. Their stories often don't work but IMO that is down to Frank. I have seen what it looks like when Frank steps in before at more than one show. He keeps the trains running but avoids anything too edgy and keeps the show in stasis. He perfected this banality with the terrible Passanante/Altman run, which O'Connor and Van Etten has somewhat been a step up from. He controls the stories, he controls the pacing and the focus as far as I can see it. It's similar to when JFP micromanaged her soaps, pre-Guza.

Exactly. Nothing changes unless ABC really invests in overhauling the show and making Frank step back from creative control vs. what he's good at (budget), which will not happen. People have despised Liz Korte since at least the early 2000s for various reasons but she's been there a very long time. I don't know what is feasible to actually blame on her.

A thread for our times, a time for this thread. @DRW50

Ron DeSantis' Weirdest Campaign Moments

I see we're back to quoting and engaging this aging troll. The account is one of various obvious spinoff accounts who the mods have not yet intervened on despite years of the same behavior. Their only MO is to say the opposite of whatever the popular sentiment on the forum or in a thread is at any given point and latch on hoping to stir things up. They want your attention, they don't care how to get it. Block and ignore.

And it wasn't great either!

It doesn't quite square the circle with the NYT quietly seeming to avoid the part of their strategy which involved courting papers including the Times to propagate their material, which they did successfully. But yes, it's overall a good piece.

He did bluster and break. I've mentioned them recently, but these scenes with Tony and Jackie are some of their best and show all the layers I mentioned above. Both their very subjective, personal and in Luke's case flawed but also guilty points of view are shown. Neither invalidates what Carly said. ETA: Found it in sync!

I don't think it was. The writing in the Guza years, for example, to my knowledge never shied away from the fact that Ruby facilitated the hooking and Luke and Bobbie had always had points of contention in their later adulthood ('90s-on) about whether he'd done enough to protect her, in her eyes. They were all three a family in their own way, they loved each other, but it was undoubtedly a damaged and dysfunctional situation. I thought Carly's dialogue about that during the memorial episodes was honest but gentle.

I really don't get it. Saltburn is just pop fluff. It's fun to watch, beautiful people, gorgeous scenery and viral moments, but ultimately it is vapid empty calories. What is the Academy hook? Are people just enjoying hooting at it over the holidays?

It's been rumbling for awhile, but Variety has it now: Millie Gibson is out after Season 1/Series 14, replaced by Andor's Varada Sethu. Sethu is talented, but I do think it's a shame.

Speaking of Haley @DRW50 @marceline -

That's all she needed.

If this was the Guza or Carlivati years there is a fair chance Carly might tank Crimson, lol. They prioritized other women at times. And we all remember her uh, storied time at Deception (though I honestly really liked the idea of polar opposites Laura and Carly working there, with Sonny basically having bought her the job).

It's wild that Donna still doesn't realize that many of us have her blocked, but since she was quoted by someone else addressing my post, no, Donna, Joss slept with Dex and once she'd done so dumped Cam immediately thereafter. They had a connection, they kissed, etc. but they weren't carrying on some long affair. I have zero interest in Dex or Joss and they could both vanish tomorrow AFAIC, but we can at least get these things right. And like caroline, I hated the way Joss handled Cam after the break-up as well. The show could not deal with her being seen as in the wrong anymore than they can Carly and Drew now. But I do have a sense of nuance about what she did and how she did it. She's not Jessica Buchanan on OLTL, racing out of the custody hearing for her stepdaughter screaming that she can't be married to the kid's father and then fûcking his friend in the nearest rock quarry in a storm.

Friend, I said Joss is annoying and obnoxious and that Eden is a weak actress who should be replaced. I stand by that. I never called Joss the world's greatest whore at 19 or whatever for sleeping with two guys in her life(!!), one of whom she immediately broke up with out of remorse, or bullied the actress on social media to try to demand she gave up her spot in the Daytime Emmys. Nor am I claiming you did the latter. Joss is not real, nor is she guilty of every sin on Earth even if I don't like the character much. Eden McCoy is not Josslyn Jacks. I can separate my shît. And I'm barely even talking about you. This is a larger phenomenon.

They're both unwatchable to me, but at least one is merely sub-mediocre.