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8 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 3/2/92-3/6/92 & 3/9/92-3/13/92:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 3/16/92-3/20/92 & 3/23/92-3/27/92:

6 hours ago, OpportunisticSlut said:

I have noticed a big difference compared to the current uploads of 2023. I dont know what to trust.

What do you mean?

@Troppo I heard imdb was a pain but that is something to see!

@Jennybold1974 did you see these excellent posts from @janea4old a few pages back about episode numbers? She is the expert!

Out of all the Y&R returns this is one I'd never have expected but will very much welcome.

5 minutes ago, OpportunisticSlut said:

Thank you. I may start with the german episodes 

You'll have over two years worth of full episodes all in order! After March 1988, there are many episodes, but not a whole complete collection like B&B. I stopped watching at December 1988 myself waiting for more full episodes to come along, sigh.

33 minutes ago, OpportunisticSlut said:

I want to start watching after failing to get into the show so many times. I think it is because I do not know when to start watching. Can someone help me with a year where a lot of storylines are starting and its easier to get into. Like a more of a reset period.  

Personally I would say the vault clips of 1982 (there are not too many full episodes 1982-1985). Then in 1986 you can pick up the full episodes in German if you wish. 1982 is when the Brooks family and Lorie are phased out and the main storylines begin to center around Victor, Nikki, Katherine, and the Abbotts. I did this during the pandemic when they started being uploaded and I also read along with the Soap Opera Digest tumblr to fill the gaps. I would just stop reading when it started talking about things I hadn't seen yet.  

58 minutes ago, Broderick said:

 

I felt like the "punchline" of the Charles Victor Howard storyline was intended to be an ironic twist, in which (a) Derek and Eve did all this sleuthing and stealing of Victor's medical records to prove Michael Scott was the father of Julia's unborn baby, and -- surprise! -- it was really Victor's fetus, (b) the kid who was alive and alleged to be Victor's kid (Charles Victor Howard) wasn't Victor's son at all but instead was -- surprise! -- Derek Thurston's kid, and (c) Jill Foster would discover that the mysterious tyke who'd been living in her house all along was Derek Thurston's kid, and she'd never even known it. 

 

Ah, that sounds rather good! I hadn't considered the Jill angle.

The recaps say at some point even Kay was considering birthing Derek's child LOL.

3 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 2/3/92-2/7/92 & 2/10/92-2/14/92:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 2/17/92-2/21/92 & 2/24/92-2/28/92:

10 minutes ago, Joseph said:

That besides the fact Cole wasn't his! It was pretty much implied Victor was The Boy's Father in the 1980's, To Retcon that into him being Rick Daros' Son when Eve And Rick Didn't even meet until 1984 When Cole was At least 7 was bizarre! But I Think Bell wasn't paying that Much Attention to Y&R at the Time as much as to B&B!

He isn't Rick Daros' son, that is a fan story that got around. I just googled it and I see all the fan sites list his father as Rick. That's not true. 

In the 80s clips in the vault, it is established that Eve claims Charles is Victor's son. He does not accept this but did create a trust fund for him just in case. In his will he'd planned to leave his fortune to Victoria (when she was still considered Kevin Bancroft's daughter, although Victor might have known the truth by then) and Cole. That's the reason that Eve tries to marry him and kill him in 1983.

When Eve died in the 90s, they tested the DNA against some other guy. I don't remember his name but it wasn't Rick Daros... @YRfan23 probably knows the exact date to point you to the episode or recap (he knows everything )

Eve and Rick did hook up in the sanitarium and escaped in 1984... I suppose they could have had more children but that storyline never played out (hopefully the Y&R historian doesn't tell Josh Griffith!).

20 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 12/9/91-12/13/91 & 12/16/91-12/20/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 12/23/91-12/27/91 & 12/30/91-1/3/92:

3 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 1/6/92-1/10/92 & 1/13/92-1/17/92:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 1/20/92-1/24/92 & 1/27/92-1/31/92:

12/9/91-12/13/91:
GL you have an 18 share, SOW has 19

Rest is good!  

4 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 11/11/91-11/15/91 & 11/18/91-11/22/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 11/25/91-11/29/91 & 12/2/91-12/6/91:

12/2/91-12/6/91:
OLTL you have a 19 share, SOW has 21

Not too bad!

6 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 10/14/91-10/18/91 & 10/21/91-10/25/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 10/28/91-11/1/91 & 11/4/91-11/8/91:

For that month, it was this:

 

6578...8/19/91:

Cast: Brian, Caroline, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Jennifer, Julie, Kayla, Kimberly, Marcus, Marlena, Molly, Roman, Shane, Shawn, Tanner, Tom, Victor, Vern, Tarrington, Dr. Smith.

Sets: Nurses' Station, Roman's Living Room, Pier, Hawk’s Hospital Room & Corridor, Shane & Kimberly’s Hotel Room/Sonoma, Marlena’s Hotel Room, Jack’s Office, Kayla’s Apartment.

 

6579...8/20/91:

Cast: Bo, Brian, Carly, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Jennifer, Marcus, Mickey, Neil, Roman, Victor, Desiree, Dan, Dimitri, Nurse.

Sets: Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse, Bo’s Hospital Room & Corridor, Roman’s Living Room, Kiriakis Mansion Living Room & Foyer, Nurses’ Station & Staff Lounge, Hawk’s Hospital Room & Corridor, Marlena’s Hotel Room & Corridor.

 

6580...8/21/91:

Cast: Bo, Brian, Carly, Caroline, Isabella, Kayla, Kimberly, Lawrence, Marlena, Roman, Shane, Shawn, Victor, Sami, Miss Peach, Simmons, Dimitri, Marlena’s Superintendent, Woman, Boy, Cop (Bob), Attorney, Nurse, Man.

Sets: Bo’s Hospital Room & Corridor, Marlena’s Hotel Room, Kiriakis Mansion Living Room & Exterior, Playground, Donovan Mansion Living Room, Prison Pay Phone, Nurses’ Station & Staff Lounge.

 

6581...8/22/91:

Cast: Bo, Carly, Ginger, Hawk, Isabella, Marcus, Marlena, Roman, Victor, Eric, Sami, Desiree, Chauncey, Dimitri, Man, Cop, Man # 1 (Hector), Man # 2 (Manny), Man # 3 (Ed), Guard # 1, Guard # 2, Snowball (dog).

Sets: Nurses’ Station & Staff Lounge, Roman’s Living Room & Exterior, Kiriakis Mansion Living Room, Bo's Boat Deck & Dock, Int. Bo's Boat, Campsite with Ginger's Trailer, Hawk’s Hospital Room & Corridor.

 

6582...8/23/91:

Cast: Bo, Carly, Caroline, Isabella, Kayla, Kimberly, Lawrence, Marlena, Neil, Roman, Shane, Shawn, Victor, Shawn Douglas, Eric, Sami, Max, Jeannie, Andrew, Stephanie, Henderson, Dimitri, Maurice, Marlena's Doctor, FDA Executive # 1, FDA Executive # 2, Nurse, Cop, Car Driver.

Sets: Shawn & Caroline’s Kitchen, Pier, Roman & Marlena’s Living Room, Prison Visiting Room, Hospital Board Room & Corridor, Kiriakis Mansion Living Room, Roman & Marlena’s Bedroom & Corridor, Loft Rooftop, Prison Corridor with Pay Phone, Street with Car, Marlena's Hospital Room/Island.

 

6583...8/26/91:

Cast: Carly, Caroline, Isabella, Kayla, Kimberly, Lawrence, Marcus, Marlena, Roman, Shane, Shawn, Eric, Sami, Andrew, Marlena's Doctor, Nurse, Man.

Sets: Loft, Roman & Marlena’s Living Room, Shane's Study, Nurses’ Station & Staff Lounge, Prison Visiting Room, Roman & Marlena’s Bedroom & Corridor, Phone Booth, Marlena's Hospital Room/Island.

 

6584...8/27/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Brian, Carly, Ginger, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Maggie, Marcus, Mickey, Roman, Victor, Vern, Desiree, Chauncey, Eric, Sami, Dimitri, Nurse, Cop # 1, Cop  2, Cop # 3, Burglar, Snowball (dog).

Sets: Nurses’ Station & Staff Lounge, Brady-Toscano Detective Agency, Roman’s Office, Salem Spectator Newsroom & Jack’s Office, Hawk’s Hospital Room & Corridor, Alleyway with Ginger's Trailer, Alice’s Restaurant, Loft.

 

6585...8/28/91:

Cast: Alice, Brian, Caroline, Ginger, Hawk, Jack, Isabella, Kayla, Kimberly, Lawrence, Marcus, Molly, Neil, Shane, Tanner, Vern, Andrew, Tarrington, Chauncey, Rick Alter (Sports Editor), Warden, Nurse, Man, Snowball (dog).

Sets: Brady-Toscano Detective Agency, Jack & Jennifer’s Guest Bedroom (Hawk's), Donovan Mansion Living Room/Foyer/Exterior, Nurses’ Station & Staff Lounge, Alleyway with Ginger's Trailer, Prison Corridor with Pay Phone, Alice’s Restaurant, Park.

 

6586...8/29/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Brian, Carly, Ginger, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Jennifer, Kimberly, Marlena, Mickey, Roman, Tom, Victor, Chauncey, Dimitri, Fluffy (dog), Snowball (dog).

Sets: Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse, Brady-Toscano Detective Agency, Alice’s Restaurant, Roman & Marlena’s Bedroom, Marlena's Hospital Room/Island, Victor’s Apartment Across From Rooftop, Loft Rooftop, Roman & Marlena's Living Room, Jack & Jennifer's Bedroom.

 

6587...8/30/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Carly, Kayla, Kimberly, Marlena, Roman I, Roman II, Shane, Victor, Eric, Sami, Luis, Dimitri, Lee Wilson, Matt Jensen, Pedro, Delivery Man.

Sets: Brady-Toscano Detective Agency, Roman & Marlena’s Living Room, Roman I’s Cell, Alice’s Restaurant, Sand Dollar, Wings Private Dining Room, Marlena's Hospital Room/Island, Loft Rooftop, Victor’s Apartment Across From Rooftop.

 

6588...9/2/91:

Cast: Ginger, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Jennifer, Marlena, Molly, Roman I, Roman II, Tanner, Victor, Vern, Dimitri, Chauncey, Luis, Molly’s Grandfather, Young Molly, Pedro.

Sets: Brady-Toscano Detective Agency, Roman & Marlena’s Living Room, Roman I’s Cell, Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse, Pier, Alice’s Restaurant, Jack’s Office, Young Molly’s Bedroom, Jack & Jennifer's Bedroom.

 

6589...9/3/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Carly, Caroline, Isabella, Julie, Kayla, Kimberly, Lawrence, Neil, Roman II, Shane, Shawn, Tom, Victor, Shawn Douglas, Andrew, Jeannie, Maurice, Dimitri, Hospital Board Member # 1 (Albert Kennedy), Hospital Board Member # 2 (Trevor Grant), Hospital Board Member # 3 (Mary McDonald), Hospital Board Member # 4 (Michelle Taylor), Delivery Man, Arsonist.

Sets: Donovan Mansion Living Room & Foyer, Nurses’ Station & Staff Lounge, Loft, Alice’s Restaurant, Hospital Board Room, Prison Visiting Room, Kiriakis Mansion Living Room, Bo's Boat Deck & Dock.

 

6590...9/4/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Carly, Caroline, Ginger, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Jennifer, Julie, Kayla, Kimberly, Maggie, Marcus, Marlena, Mickey, Neil, Roman I, Roman II, Shane, Shawn, Tom, Victor, Shawn Douglas, Sami, Eric, Andrew, Chauncey, Dimitri, Luis, Pedro, Nurse (Lorraine), Waiter # 1, Waiter # 2, Fireman.

Sets: Roman I’s Cell, Roman & Marlena’s Living Room & Exterior, Alice’s Restaurant, Bo's Boat Deck & Dock, Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse & Corridor, Sand Dollar, Shane's Study, Salem Airport.

 

6591...9/5/91:

Cast: Alice, Ginger, Hawk, Jack, Jennifer, Julie, Maggie, Mickey, Molly, Tanner, Dave, Desiree, Howard, Chauncey, Roland, Connor, Molly’s Grandfather, Young Molly, Man, Snowball (dog).

Sets: Chauncey’s Hotel Room & Corridor, Pier, Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse, Wings, Alice’s Restaurant, Desiree’s Hotel Room, Jack & Jennifer's Bedroom, Salem Airport, Young Molly's Bedroom.

 

6592...9/6/91:

Cast: Bo, Brian, Carly, Isabella, Kimberly, Marcus, Marlena, Roman I, Roman II, Victor, Dimitri, Luis, Chuck, Ray LeGrand, Air Traffic Controller, Cop, Kayla (FBO), Shawn (FBO), Shawn Douglas (FBO).

Sets: Emergency Center & Exterior, Roman I’s Cell, Roman & Marlena’s Living Room & Exterior, Pier, Roman’s Office & Outer Office, Air Traffic Control Office, Cheatin’ Heart, Victor's Apartment Across From Rooftop.

 

6593...9/9/91:

Cast: Bo, Brian, Carly, Caroline, Ginger, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Jennifer, Molly, Roman II, Tanner, Victor, Shawn Douglas, Max, Stephanie, Vern, Chauncey, Dimitri, Professor Smiley, Professor Smiley's Neighbor, Nurse (Lorraine), Fisherman.

Sets: Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse, Loft, Roman’s Office, Street, Professor Smiley’s Apartment, Brady Fish Market, Pier, Prison Visiting Room, Prison Pay Phone, Salem Spectator Newsroom.

 

6594...9/10/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Carly, Caroline, Isabella, Marlena, Mickey, Roman I, Roman II, Shawn, Victor, Eric, Glynnis, Dimitri, Luis, Roberto, Ray LeGrand, Judge, Bailiff, Guard # 2/Fernando, Cop # 1, Cop  # 2 (O’Neil).

Sets: Prison Visitors Room, Roman I's Cell, Roman & Marlena’s Bedroom, Loft Bedroom, Roman & Marlena's Living Room, Roman’s Office & Outer Office, Alice’s Restaurant, Courtroom.

 

6595...9/11/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Carly, Ginger, Hawk, Jack, Jennifer, Julie, Molly, Roman II, Tanner, Shawn Douglas, Vern, Dave, Desiree, Howard, Chauncey, Connor, Las Vegas Informant, Jack’s Caller.

Sets: Jack’s Office, Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse, Alice’s Restaurant, Phone for Jack's Caller, Molly’s Grandfather’s Cabin/Long Trail Colorado, Wings, Brady-Toscano Detective Agency, Phone for Las Vegas Informant, Bo's Boat Deck & Dock, Chauncey’s Hotel Room.

 

6596...9/12/91:

Cast: Brian, Hawk, Isabella, Jack, Jennifer, Julie, Kimberly, Lawrence, Marlena, Roman II, Shane, Tanner, Dave, Connor, Las Vegas Informant, Marlena’s Doctor, Foreign Man, Foreign Woman, Woman # 1, Woman # 2, Woman # 3.

Sets: Jack & Jennifer’s Penthouse, Jack's Office, Wings, Roman’s Office, Shane's Study, Phone for Las Vegas Informant, Prison Visiting Room, Doctor’s Office/Island, Prison Corridor with Pay Phone, Jack & Jennifer’s Bedroom.

 

6597...9/13/91:

Cast: Alice, Bo, Carly, Isabella, Kayla, Kimberly, Lawrence, Marlena, Mickey, Neil, Roman I, Roman II, Shane, Shawn, Victor, Shawn Douglas, Jeannie, Maurice, Luis, Mystery Man/Cal, Guard, Clinic Nurse (Suzanne), Nurse # 1, Nurse # 2, Man's Voice.

Sets: Roman I’s Cell, Shane's Study, Loft, Alice’s Restaurant, Prison Visiting Room, Loft Rooftop, Victor's Apartment Across From Rooftop, Staff Lounge, Kiriakis Mansion Living Room & Foyer, Abuse Clinic & Corridor, Prison Visiting Room, Pay Phone, Loft Bedroom.

 

10/21/91-10/25/91:
GH and GL you have 5.5 and SOW has 5.3

2 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Yea, you're right come to think of it.

I can see TL's Jack marrying Nikki but the story would have had a whole different flavor.

Of course, Jack had to evolve and grow but I think 'Smilin Jack' still had a lot of gas left in the tank. And if Terry had stayed... 

Sure, the marriage for revenge would have worked, without all that sappiness. I saved this old usenet post that describes it well:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.tv.soaps/c/R9K2kCKOKBc/m/HfdVBW0wlxMJ

You see, I have some recollection of Bergman's Cliff Warner during the
height of the Cliff & Nina romance days.

I hate to tell you this folks, but I think Bergman is playing Cliff again.

My fiance put it best when she said that this Jack is likable and sensitive
and loving in ways that are not at all like the Jack she remembers Terry as
being

examples:  Jack says "I wish, oh how I wish, you could love me as much
                      as I love you"

Terry Lester might have said [Southern Drawl on]

                     "Yeah, sweetheart, ya gotta know how much you mean to me.
                      We're hot together, you know hon!  Let's give this thing
                      a chance"

                             [Southern Drawl off]

another example.  Jack says "Do you know how jealous I am?  That you have
                             that wonderful little boy"

Terry Lester might have said [Southern Drawl on]

                      "Look, sugar, I want a kid.  I'm feelin' those paternal
                       urges, you know.  Listen, Doll, I wanna have a kid
                       just like you and the Black Knight"

                              [Southern Drawl off]

I think I've made the point:  the old Jack was appealing because of his slick
superficiality.  While he was known to show anger, the most appealing part
of the old Jack was the humour that always glistened behind those eyes.  Jack
was mocking the world and its conventions.

The new Jack is VERY rapidly being transformed into a noble man, with deep deep
feelings for family (remember how the old Jack threatened Ashley that he
would reveal that her natural father was Brent Davis if Ash didn't turn over
the vice-chairmanship to him!).  He is Cliff Warner.  Remember that Jack
and Nikki were ostensibly brought together because Jackie wanted revenge
on Victor.  The writers seem to have forgotten all about that--now they're
making like his love runs deep.

I don't mind the new Jack, but it's taken me a long while to realize that this
is a completely different man (not just actor, but character).

8 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

That story was a dud from start to finish, culminating decades later with another blandly written character (Ally) who also was quickly forgotten.

Could you imagine TL's Jack heading for Vietnam ?-he would have done everything he could to avoid the draft.

That was the beginning of Jack's transformation  into Cliff Abbott.

I'd say that was the end of the transformation. It happened after he married Nikki and started wailing about wanting a son. The Terry Lester version of Jack visibly cringed when Nikki mentioned marriage and kids, and only married Patty to get a position at Jabot.

13 minutes ago, kalbir said:

The Vietnam story was a rewrite since it went against established history. In 1983 when Dina arrived, it was said she left the family in 1971. The rewrite had Jack serving in Vietnam in 1971 so that made him an adult when Dina left.

I seem to recall there was a scene where the bartender at Gina's gives Jack a gun and has to show him how to use it (just before the Who Shot Jill story in 1986). It's clear he was never in the army. 

39 minutes ago, yrfan1983 said:

I am currently watching 11/8/94 where Jack reveals to Keemo that he is Keemo's father, and Jack says "I honestly think you'll grow to like me" and I had to snicker as I never grew to like Peter Bergman's portrayal of Jack after 34 years 

6 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 9/16/91-9/20/91 & 9/23/91-9/27/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 9/30/91-10/4/91 & 10/7/91-10/11/91:

3 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 8/19/91-8/23/91 & 8/26/91-8/30/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 9/2/91-9/6/91 & 9/9/91-9/13/91:

Terribly sad to know the details. I wish this information had remained private but I appreciate your factual and non-sensationalistic reporting. I would rather read about it here where it is reported in a responsible manner.

2 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 7/22/91-7/26/91 & 7/29/91-8/2/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 8/5/91-8/9/91 & 8/12/91-8/16/91:

3 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 6/24/91-6/28/91 & 7/1/91-7/5/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 7/8/91-7/12/91 & 7/15/91-7/19/91:

Thanks @janea4old I enjoy seeing the photos of the kids on set. I actually was thinking for Thanksgiving they should have just had Elizabeth's kids portray Bella and Myles (if the ages and genders work) instead of pretending they and every other child were "in the other room but joining us for dessert later offscreen."

4 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Did it seem a little too close for comfort?!!

She definitely noticed it and it made her see what a bad idea it was. To be honest I don't remember why she married David at all so I'm not surprised others don't remember it even happened.

A funny thing about when Nikki married David Chow is they eloped to Mexico, and a guitarist began singing "Through the Eyes of Love" in Spanish as they walked down the aisle - which is famously Nikki and Victor's wedding song from 1984 (in English).

2 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 5/27/91-5/31/91 & 6/3/91-6/7/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 6/10/91-6/14/91 & 6/17/91-6/21/91:

4 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 4/29/91-5/3/91 & 5/6/91-5/10/91:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 5/13/91-5/17/91 & 5/20/91-5/24/91: