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1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

Totally agree-my comments re Sally were to highlight that ridiculousness.

The way business stories are written, anything can happen as we don't see it on air. Sally could have easily landed a gig redecorating say Lauren's apartment , with everyone raving about how great a job she did w/o ever seeing it.

It really puzzles me who is overseeing this. Does anyone at CBS or Sony review story or are they that disinterested that whatever Josh serves up they agree to as long as the shows get made on time and on budget?

As for Mr Griffith himself, with so many directions to go in, he never fails to choose the least interesting or illogical path.

I wonder if those execs actually watch the show, or just read the projections? I mean, they might be under the impression that what was written, actually happens on the show, lol.

If I wrote you a projection about how Mariah and Tessa would decide to have a child, have problems adopting because they had criminal histories, then get cleared, then meet with multiple potential birth mothers, have their hopes dashed time after time when the mothers changed their minds, then finally connected with one and went through the process of adoption, and then slowly noticed that the child wasn't reacting to things, realized she couldn't hear, and got a cochlear implant... it doesn't sound like a bad story. I would be thinking about all the Camryn Grimes Emmy bait scenes, the anticipation, the joy, the tears when it all falls through... very Bill Bell style... and then finally meeting the birth mother, going through that emotional journey... the birth, holding the child for the first... the slow realization that something is wrong...

Except almost none of this ever happened. Updates were just relayed to Sharon at the coffee house once every couple of weeks. We didn't even see the baby for months. They sat in the park and explained how Aria didn't react to silverware falling on the floor. They barely sprung for a doctor's office set for two scenes (I was surprised) and then the story was over.

So I wonder if Josh Griffith tells the execs that Tessa and Mariah are adopting a child, or if he tells them the truth, that Tessa and Mariah will be sitting in the coffeehouse telling Sharon about how they adopted a child. I don't expect the suits to care, of course. I am sure they think the audience is dumb and if they can maintain enough of a rating just talking about stuff, that's good enough (and if the ratings fall they won't try to improve it, just cut the budget even more so we see less).

Isn't Sally supposed to be an interior decorator? And they have no sets.... so yeah, I can see why that business would fail.  

44 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

And all these plot points lead nowhere.

With no budget to depict business stories and inept writing, they need to steer away completely.

Have Victor retire.  Dispense with Newman Media. Jabot has to sell of Marchetti and Fenmores to stay afloat etc.

Scale everything back. Have most characters working at Jabot like the good old days.

Everyone can't work at Jabot because everyone, from age 20-85, has to be a "CEO" or "co-CEO." No one can have a regular job. There used to be Neil, Brad, Chase, and Ryan working their way up and it was interesting. Now there's a million little companies so everyone can have a big title.

13 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Are we the audience also being gaslit along with Ashley or is Ashley gaslighting us? Honestly as much as I love Ashley and Tucker I’m just about over this.

They love to run these stories to the ground until we won't care anymore. You had Victor faking his dementia, then he wasn't, then he was... Kyle was going to work with Tucker, then be a double agent, then work for him for real, then be a double agent... or something. Ashley and Tucker's relationship was real, then fake, then real, then fake... They think these are "twists" but they just don't make any sense.

1 hour ago, edgeofnik said:

Fans sometimes forget there's a reason why it's called Show *Business*

Keep in mind Y&R's average linear viewer age is 69 y.o. according to last week's article in Deadline. Of course, the age of those who stream will be significantly lower, but still. Ads aren't going to command big $$$ and, therefore, licensing fees will be less, etc.

I'm just glad it's still on. I hope that Sony will follow B&B's model and put all the old episodes on a YouTube channel. That's been super fun to watch.

I was not aware of this article and just found it. The youngest skewing soap is GH with an average age of 68! Oh my! 

https://deadline.com/2024/01/daytime-tv-ratings-soaps-2024-season-1235810237/

What accounts for the continued decrease in eyeballs? The average age of the daytime viewers may have something to do with it. While GH remains the youngest skewing daytime drama at 68.1, all three of the soaps have seen their boomer fans age up this season versus last year. The GH average viewer age is up 4 percent from 65.6 to 68.1; Y&R is up 1 percent from 69.6 to 68.7, and B&B is up 2 percent from 68.2 to 69.4.

1 minute ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

What I am looking at is 1990 & 1991, but it is scans of SOD recaps so twice a month. 

Yep, the SOD ones are great but I was talking about daily ones. Some of them get very detailed and go scene by scene, which I love. But I do enjoy SODs very much too.

1 hour ago, Dan said:

Looks like the yahoo rec.arts.tv.soaps group is still archived for the most part but it's a bit of a pain to dig through. They do have some recap threads dating back to the early 90s. 

Yes, I think the site I posted is actually a compilation of those, and it's very convenient not having to do keyword and date searches.

4 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Yes! I remember you posted a nice summary of that episode years back!  Of course I have to ask, if it's ever possible that episode can be uploaded on here it would be greatly appreciated!   
 

Yesss! I would be happy to convert the VHS for you @soapfan770 (and anyone else out there lol).

4 hours ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

In case it is of interest to anyone I have found a resource for earlier than 1996 weekly recaps. They're scans of Digest. https://www.tumblr.com/classicsodgl

Thanks. Also, there are 1993-1998 recaps here. https://www.anybrowser.org/soaps/archives/gl.html 

So it seems that 1991-1993 is largely missing. Would love to find some 80s/early 90s daily recaps.

2 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

I'm watching chronologically newer eps from the mid 90s... to me, it's so sad, the downward shift in quality from 1994 to 1995, and even specifically December 1994 to January 1995.

I can watch every episode of 1994 (like all previous years) from start to finish. Starting with Jan '95 - I can no longer tolerate certain stories and am forced to FF.

1994:

Shick: I can deal with them because they're separated. I like Sharon with Matt bc of Eddie Cibrian's evil electric presence.

Phyllis: I have no problem with her because she is so new.  In fact, she's kind of fascinating, in that she only appears in a couple eps during Oct '94, and arrives full-time only mid-Nov '94. And wow, she blows through like a hurricane leading up to the New Year's Eve leading up to the vehicular manslaughter.

Victor and Hope: I ship this couple 100% May '93-July '94. Then their story takes a downward turn to a troubled pregnancy after being married for one month (cliched much?) and I am increasingly frustrated.

1995:

Shick: I've lost any interest. Still will watch Eddie Cibrian scenes just to see how Matt can cause chaos in their lives.

Phyllis: I can't stand the damage she caused to so many lives and she faces no consequences. I'm done with her and with any related stories. (I know she faces her ghosts while she is in jail in 2002, and at some later point Cricket realizes that Phyllis ran her over... but there are no lasting consequences ever.)

Victor and Hope: the pregnancy turns out ok but now it's Kansas vs. Genoa City...? So many dashed storyline possibilities of Hope claiming her power in any number of ways. I'm not interested in watching her slooooowly decide she prefers farm life.

Thank god for the continuing John/Jill divorce story! While John and Mamie being romantic feels icky to watch, I'll endure it to savor the overall story. Just finished 2/1/95, and there were poignant scenes of Jill recalling her Jan '93 courtship with John, and holding Billy close before heading to the the custody hearing. The show continuing the use of the classic background music cues really elevates the scenes.

Will continue to watch: anything Barber/Winters related. Anything Mari Jo related. I guess anything Blade/Rick related even though that story is gross.

EDIT: Oh! of course anything Lauren-related even though her time on the show is dwindling.

Will struggle through: anything Jack and Luan related. Their romance is so barf-worthy and Luan/Keemo/Mai dialogue is so stilted... but I appreciate the representation for whatever it's worth.  And I guess Ryan and Nina bc I appreciate that they had a period of stability before Nina's major 1996 decline.

Will have to also FF through: Cole and Victoria and... Jeri? Was this meant to truly be a love triangle...?

I haven't watched most of this since it originally aired, so your comments are interesting!

I think Y&R deserves a lot of credit for not trying to make Matt a reformed rapist or sex symbol. I feel like on any other soap, they would have caved and kept him on as a romantic anti-hero. They kept him evil and still managed to create a compelling storyline (rich boy goes on trial).

In hindsight I'm surprised Phyllis went that crazy so fast! Those were the days. I enjoyed the dragged out divorce and custody trials, her sleeping with Dr. Tim... Danny was always viscerally disgusted by her after their ill-fated remarriage... his behavior today makes no sense.

The Hope/Victor stuff is still pivotal today I guess... and it's like.... yes, Victor, why couldn't you just get divorced and have visitation rights? Why did you have to completely disinherit your son and pretend to be a family friend? It was the same thing he did with Cole, except he knew Victor junior was his son... they still could have told much the same story of Adam the outsider.

Jeri... lol... I feel like Y&R had lots of random editors pop up as love interests for their various author characters Jed Andrews with Lorie, this Jeri person, and Steve with Traci, which was the only one that suck (barely).

24 minutes ago, Sean said:

That photo was originally posted on that group as a joke. Per the original poster, "Ok - Dark Shadows Fans - I want to avoid any Fact Checkers calling me out - this is actually a photo of a house in Herculaneum destroyed when Mount Vesuvius erupted in AD 79 (I accidentally put AD 70 on my original post) OOPS - I was attempting a bit of humor because to ME it looked like the foyer and staircase at Collinwood (in the 'new house" and I was making a sly reference to a story line that never aired because it was never filmed (although it might have been an interesting story line if Quentin stayed on the Stairway Into Time too long and went way beyond the 1795 story line) Cheers !!!"

That makes more sense! Would have been fun though. Julia and Barnabas are starting to remind me of Family Guy's Brian and Stewie with the time machine.

1 hour ago, slick jones said:

 

A rare photo of the foyer and stairs in the never aired 79 AD storyline at Collinwood

 

 

 

 

 

For real, they were going to go back that far?! (No spoilers please, I have about 100 episodes til the end).

9 minutes ago, Beachstorm said:

Why are there so many posters who still think that the Billy/Summer one-time sex event is relevant to anything on this show anymore? It wouldn't change a damn thing with anyone. Sure, Nick would be a little mad and Victor already hates BillyBoy. Yet I still see this brought up all the time like if it was "revealed" that it would shake up a bunch of characters. It wouldn't.

They put this to rest on that plane ride to LA when Kyle, Summer, Billy and Lily were all on board. No one else would ever care to find out that Billy had sex with Supergirl. It was years ago.

I wish someone would tell those on other boards to just let this one drop.

To me it is so irrelevant that I have no recollection of whether it was revealed or to whom. 

8 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

He wasn't campaigning for it, though. He said he keeps seeing people suggest him for it, and it was Michael who is now campaigning for it.

That's campaigning in my book. It's just pretending that other people are saying it on your behalf and it wasn't your idea. He brought it up because he's interested in the part.

Darrin Brooks was just on Michael Fairman campaigning for the role of Lucky..

Eric Braeden is on YouTube now:

Victor has a message for the world:

Incest!

We've had this date planned all along...

I'm counting totally new characters - twins and doppelgangers tend to run in the same circles and often morph into the same character as the original.

Quinn Redeker on Y&R was the best... from abusive Nick Reed to lovable rascal Rex Sterling. Completely different chacter.

As much as I hate her origin story, Hayley Erin is doing a much better job as Claire than she did as Abby (or as she did on GH).

I enjoyed Sarah Joy Brown and Tamara Braun as Claudia Zacchara and Kim Nero on GH. Would have rather seen them as Carly, but that wasn't going to happen.

Dark Shadows did this all the time. Mostly the actors played the characters similarly, but one standout was Joel Crothers transitioning from heroic Joe Haskell to scoundrel Nathan Forbes. Marie Wallace also showed great variety as Eve, Jenny, and Megan, and I enjoyed all of Nancy Barrett's roles too.

48 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I'm hard of hearing, so I appreciate that Peter Bergman always has excellent enunciation.  I never need closed-captioning when he's speaking. 
That said, it does seem a bit too deliberate and might make his normal lines seem like overdramatic speeches.  But I don't think he's intentionally speechifying.

That's a good point, compared to ahem, others. A friend who speaks English as a second language told me she has trouble understanding Eric Braeden sometimes. I explained that most of us native English speakers have the same problem.  I don't know how he quite manages to do that thing where he's mumbling all the words together and trailing off and then suddenly puts emphasis on the last word (as in when he said "whogivesadamnaboutthatBITCH" about Aunt Jordan ). I have no hearing problems but I need to rewind and listen with captions to him a lot.

Mealor does preppy well. He's more like David Tom's Billy than the Billy Miller/Terry Lester archetype, which is a little more playful than Bergman but not especially so. 

1 minute ago, kalbir said:

It's true, they didn't. The only 1980s wins were Beth Maitland Supporting Actress 1985 and Tracey Bregman Younger Actress 1985. Tracey was also nominated for Younger Actress in 1987. Terry Lester got four Lead Actor nominations (1984-1987) but the Lead Actor fields those years were tough. EB got one Lead Actor nomination (1987), JC got one Lead Actress nomination (1989), and Quinn Redeker got one Supporting Actor nomination (1989).

I can't believe EB didn't get nominated or win for the reunion with his mother and his orphanage backstory and Jeanne didn't get nominated or win for the facelift story, among many others.

LOL perfect description of PB @Broderick I noticed he was just as affected when speaking as himself on the Y&R 50th anniversary special (where he obnoxiously noted that he'd won an Emmy whereas Lester never had - in my view, that was due to his ABC friends as Y&R's actors did not get much Emmy love during the 80s). Sometimes I crack up when Bergman is the one doing the "brought to you by Palmolive" line after the commercial break, as if he's reading Shakespeare.

4 minutes ago, OpportunisticSlut said:

Guys am I the only one who has problems downloading from the vault. The downloads just stop mid-way. Is it just with me? 

Hasn't happened to me recently, but it does happen sometimes. I just restart the download manually in my browser.

33 minutes ago, janea4old said:

Nick and Sharon started Crimson Lights as a memorial to Cassie and a safe place for teenagers to hang out, at least that's how I remember it.  Remember Cassie died as a sober but unlicensed 15-year-old trying to drive because licensed Daniel was too drunk to drive, and she didn't report him, and she was driving when the crash happened.

I like the continuity of Sharon's technology business giving half its profits to charities that promote awareness of underage drinking, and so the name Cassidy First Technology fits that theme - it's Sharon's values flowing into her new career and new future.  (Fyi, Sharon mentions at the launch party that this charity idea was Faith's - must've been from an offscreen phonecall.)

I also like that Sharon's children are represented -  Mariah as her employee, Cassie(Cassidy) in the company name, Faith with the charity idea, and Noah and Faith sending flowers together.

Sharon and Nick bought Crimson Lights because it's where they fell in love. They hung out there and were crowned kind and queen of the college luau. This was before they found Cassie. I think he proposed there (he proposed multiple times so I'm not entirely sure). They did eventually put a memorial for Cassie on the back patio area and they had Jewel perform with the proceeds going to Cassie's Challenge (a program promoting awareness about underage drinking - I did not remember this until I found the video). This must be what you were thinking of.

The Newman name would have more cache in business so it makes sense to me that Sharon would use that name. I always thought it was funny, anyway, how the women would always keep the most recent husband's name (Mrs. Chancellor then Mrs. Sterling) (Mrs. Newman then Mrs. Abbot then Mrs. Landers etc) even after divorce or death until they married someone new. Poor Esther and Miguel with all the changes. I prefer when they use their maiden name or their longest running relationship (Chancellor for Kay, Newman for Nikki, Abbott for Jill). Those are the names we knew them by the longest. Ray is pretty much a footnote at this point.

21 hours ago, SteelCity said:

MsMojo makes the worst lists.

I'm not familiar at all but my problem is most of these things are events, not "reveals."

4 minutes ago, Franko said:

One more from the pre-Days days.

 

I had no idea!