KMan101

Jennifer is very recastable. Just kill her off. Bring Melissa back to console Jack. Done. Wasn't Scott Reeves the uber Christian who basically converted her? I mean, like everyone else I guess i tried to ignore it because I still liked the character of Jennifer, but yeah ... I wrote her ass off a long time ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Sweeney was right there with her honestly. Recast Sami with Gina Tognoni and call it a day. Wanna bet Missy goes nowhere? Do we know Corday/Alarr's political standings? Yet Victoria Rowell gets spit on and speaks out and she's blacklisted. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

Yeah, agreed. Thankfully Scott, Gregg and Hillary are lively and animated and talkers. Some actors just aren't lol.

We so have the same taste in men lol! Enjoying seeing Gregg today? lol ... he's aged very very well I think Locher should stick with 2/3 people. It just works so much better.

I've always wanted the soaps to revert back to 15-30 minutes. It could work very well now, IMO. And even do what DAYS has done: mini-series webisodes with characters not currently on the main canvas. So many opportunities!

Oh I don't disagree on this. At all. I felt a lot of the same way at the time you did. The tone set was: "Denise is awful and Lily should be raising her daughter instead" and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I loved Denise but I know she wasn't well liked and it was likely done on purpose. I feel like Hillary on Y&R suffered a lot from this type of writing as well, in a slightly different way. Other examples exist of course too. Yeah it did surprise me. I still don't think they handled Denise well like Carl has said but I do think they hit on beats we didn't necessarily give them credit for. But there was also an insulting tone to some of it, like I said above to Carl. To be fair though, 1998 was hot garbage and 1999 had Lorraine Broderick (I believe, right?). Denise was introduced in 1998 (I believe) and she definitely had lesser writing. Broderick is very underrated, even though most of us here appreciate her. I also think when I rewatch certain stuff from when I was watching and the shows were on a decline, I just appreciate more what I didn't then. Maybe it's just seeing a set that got forgotten about or the use of veterans, or maybe it was a scene between characters that was just so well done. IDK if that makes any sense ... lol. Anyway, sorry for slightly derailing the thread a bit ...

I do wish Ellen could see it wasn't exactly Erika demanding all of that, though. But then again, Erika could have stepped up and said something because I think it was clear she saw what was going on. Watching that wedding definitely confirms everything Holly has said and it's nice to see. I believed her, of course, but seeing it? Yikes that was SO blatant and horribly done. I love Ellen Holly and will never not be pissed at how she (and many many many other actors of color) was treated. The sad thing is, it STILL happens in entertainment today. STILL. Just read a story about a Disney theme park castmember and it was an eye opening read but if you're shocked you haven't been paying attention.

I have to agree on this. Watching some of that timeframe again and it's not nearly as bad. I think we tend to watch things at the time through a certain negative lens and then years later, rewatching, I feel differently about a lot of things I didn't like when I watched originally, lol. They even had a good conversation between Denise and Lily about race. It wasn't major or groundbreaking but I stopped and it caught my attention. Considering what came later, it's crazy that 1999-2001 ATWT to me is much better than I gave it credit for. For me though it's a lot of little things, not necessarily the storylines.

It's almost always better when it's just one or two actors and Alan. Four or five doesn't work. I didn't even expect some of the actors he got so I'm sure he'll get to just about everyone. It probably takes some time to get some people and set it all up. I'm still waiting for Eileen Fulton, however I wonder if he's avoiding her on purpose ...

Noooo stop it! lol. I didn't watch today and am actually kinda behind on some of them. Dying. My first Mindy was Krista, based on when I watched (started watching GL in 1997, and honestly at the time don't remember seeing Simms return for HB's funeral, I was young at the time so I didn't watch all the time and probably thought she was Krista; I always do my soap research though). She was always my favorite Mindy and I was so confused why she would just pop up for guest stints and never stick around. Always bugged me. That being said, I finally saw Simms as Mindy thanks to YouTube and fell IN LOVE with her. But at first I was like "nope, not today, no thanks" in all honesty. She was GREEN, IMHO. But that also could have been she was playing out the 'growth' in Mindy and also playing out what was written for Krista's Mindy. I was like "who the hell is this and where is my Mindy?" She certainly came into her own and damn I loved her as Mindy. I love them both as Mindy, honestly, for different reasons. Haven't see Hamilton yet. I have mixed feelings on Crampton. Adore her as an actress and loved her on Y&R, LOVED her. But there was a lot going wrong with GL when she arrived in the role and it was too much 'evil Alex and poor Mindy' for my tastes. Barbara felt limited in the role, to me. She wasn't bad but never really stood out IMO. She felt like a mix of Simms and Tesreau without the good writing. I can see why, on paper, they would cast her in the role. The show was pretty laser focused on Vincent Irizarry though and I think Mindy suffered a bit as a character after Simms left. They also kinda overdid the whole "Nick/Mindy" love story IMO. It felt Reilly-ish at times and a little too much both when Simms was leaving and then when Crampton came on/Mindy came back.

I'm SO many pages behind and OMG I saw that on Twitter when it came out and just died. DIED. And I agree with everyone on Alan Locher. He means well ... lol, but you've all pointed out his flaws and what's wrong with the streams. I'd love more indepth but we just aren't getting it with him. I agree with Carl that it's likely his PR and management background. Damage control is what they do. But Alan Locher, seriously, WE ALL KNOW about Zaslow so 🤷‍♂️ Anywho, back to reading the thread .... LOL I agree. But to be fair to him I think he 'knows' many of them and is trying to be personable by asking what they're up to in quarantine before jumping in but I'd love to see him get some help doing these. He means well ...

I've always felt the same way. Judi would have been good as Nancy, since Paulina basically turned into her and she and Rachel were as close as sisters would be.

I'm so glad he said those things! It's true! ATWT was NOT good those last years. But so many just loved Pissy's years. I don't get it. (I also don't think Kreizman had enough time to make any impact, not that I think he could have saved the day, of course)

I actually don't hate the porn opening now. LOL

That's disappointing. I've always loved her and would love to hear her really go in-depth. Wonder why she hasn't popped up on Locher's channel yet?

I just like blaming Jill for everything LOL. No yeah I hesitated saying that I know it was during Laibson's stint (too bad he didn't work out) ... I do have to agree it was probably more Curlee/Demorest than her that used her. To be fair to her she did add Leslie, Tyler and Mason when she joined Y&R.

Haven't listened to it yet. I'd love to know that too. Always bummed me out and then she showed up on AMC and was kinda wasted. Phelps probably drove her away. But then I remember that's when we had a slew of soaps for actors to hope back and forth from. They should have done a better job keeping Monti Sharp and Amelia Marshall.

I skipped this one lol. I popped in for like a minute and then hopped out. They all looked the same.

Ed and Nola could have been fun but not in a romantic sense, IMO. I can't ever imagine that. LOL. Nola was essentially swapped out with Selena. I still wish Drew were Stacy Chamberlain. I love me some Lisa Brown but I really never saw her have any chemistry with any of her leading men (or planned to be leading men), IMO, except Tylo. She and Deas were DOA. I did like Brown with Tom Wiggin on ATWT. A better cast/written J and Drew being Stacy would have helped tremendously. It all writes itself. But once the Buzz thing faded, they lost interest and Brown saw the writing on the wall, clearly. They had no idea what to do with her. Maureen, Nadine, Nola, Selena ... they were all swapped out with each other.

lmao!!

Me too and he does ruin it. He fanbois out. I get it but let them talk. I'd love more one on one interviews/discussions. It may end up going in that direction, he did with Susan Lucci.

This is honestly the reunion I didn't realize I needed or wanted. It's been a lot of fun lol LOL it is Joy seems so chill and she looks fantastic. BTW I can't reply in messages for some reason on Chrome or Firefox. Not sure what's wrong so I wasn't ignoring your birthday message and yes on that on certain poster. Anyway ... back to the chat

lol yikes. Maria sounds like a fun person. NOT. Yeah. It's a little strange she killed those two characters, and they happened to be named Brad and Colleen. If Lorie were on the show at the time she'd have probably died too. If you were a real writer with any care for the fabric of the show you don't kill off Traci's only child. Side note, and because I just happened to randomly watch clips of Lily and Dru over the Malcolm reveal .... Davetta Sherwood was so perfectly cast as Lily I remain irked to this day they fired her for that Valley Girl. Valley Girl would work fine as a different character, she's never been Lily to me. She did sort of work fine initially. I think I was just really turned off by her Lily after falling in love with Davetta's. I didn't mind Christel in her very first run as Lily. She worked as the teenage version.

Denise Pence looks amazing in that thumbnail. I wish she had been brought back to GL but it was so far gone from what it was ... Elvera and Hope would have been great to have over the years. I know many cling to Maureen as the matriarch and she was wonderful in that spot but I wanted more for Maureen (especially seeing the chemistry she had with Michael Zaslow in 1992) than stuck in a marriage to boring Ed when I'm watching now. Hope would have sufficed. Matriarch of the Bauer AND Spaulding clans? Sign me up. Of course Alex is the matriarch but you know Hope would have been there. Sigh. What could have been if a writer cared more about the history of the show. Watching the Santos family reunion now. Another one who looks amazing: Saundra Santiago. Paul looks good too and Jordi always does. Jordi looks better scruffy, IMO. I don't often say that. I know the Santos clan is hated. I share that hatred. But I really like each and every actor that was in the family. I have nothing against them. What pisses me off is the lack of ability to truly introduce a diverse family onto a show. Carmen Santos could have been a much better, less one-note character who could have been a bitch to be reckoned with for YEARS. PAS and Laura Wright had chemistry and they should have used that. Danny and Cassie made FAR more sense. And you have Father Ray, who could have been a symbol of the early years of the show. But ... nope. The writing sucked. Only Danny lasted because of PAS. Why is a hispanic family wasted as mobsters? That's my big gripe. And then they introduced the Boudreau's, who could have really been interesting, had the writers wanted to actually write for Black people. They didn't. Mel was instantly paired with Rick. No drama over their mixed relationship from what I recall. If there was it was a blip on the radar. Felicia could have had a past with Alan or Roger. What if Remy was their son? And he were gay? And Felicia didn't approve but Clayton did (yes I'm kinda channeling Haves and Have Nots, just less ... ugly), etc. Or vice versa. But ... nope. They were replacements for Vivian, Charles, Vicky and David (although Charles appeared for several years after that I believe, in pop up spots at Cedars). I do believe they had some writing for them with Richard Biggs and Shari Headley in the roles but they were ultimately wasted and wisely bailed. What a waste of them! And Vicky Spaulding was a non-entity. Lost potential. Circling back to Hispanic families on soaps, you have Y&R introduce the Rosale clan. Shove them down our throats and expect us to care about them without actually writing for them as characters and giving them depth. Arturo wasn't hated when he was boning Nikki and circling around Abby. Rey fills a purpose I suppose but he's not being written for. Mia had the most potential so of course she, the woman, was fired. Lola could have been a bitch but she had to be written all over the place and now she likely has one foot out the door. Shame all around. See a pattern? Anywho ... sorry about that but just been on my mind lately. Really? Lord ... no. While the show still looked very good under him, you could see a shift from even Jill's years where she did some refreshes and got rid of a few sets but it wasn't nearly as bad. It was actually weird watching a 1999 episode and remembering the diner still around, etc. I just got so numb and used to like no sets that I was sadly surprised they were still around when I was actually watching. Sets matter on soaps (and shows). You'd think they'd know that. They matter. It's familiarity. I think that's also contributed heavily to what loses folks over the years. They turn on the show, see tons of people they don't know running around sets they don't remember. You don't give The Golden Girls a new set and expect it to work the same (it didn't).

I recall that too. I don't believe Maria is well liked at all in the Bell family. Hence her killing "Brad" and "Colleen".

I've been so bad about watching the classic episodes. I have all of last week to get through! lol.