DramatistDreamer

Not wanting to get into comparisons, but there is a brutal history of both hypersexualization of Black girls and women, while simultaneously punishing Black women who do have the temerity to take ownership of their own sexuality in a way that does not happen with other women. It just doesn't. So, you can have something as a blink and you miss it moment of a breast that hardly anyone even saw until the media decided to replay the instance over and over incur the wrath of a head of a network for at least a full decade. Also, those who watched the documentary know that the Superbowl was not the only incident of a corporation taking putative measures for something associated with the actions of someone else. Up thread, I mentioned what happened with Coca-Cola. But I do think the more mainstream success one has the more one is able to get away with. In that case, Janet did not have that prolonged amount of mainstream success. I don't know what Black women has that. Beyonce? Eventually "they" came for her too by the time of Formation. Things have changed since then and fortunately, Beyonce could not have cared less. And feminism within the U.S. has historically left out, diminished or flat out ignored the struggles of Black women.

This is still happening. An ongoing occurrence.

So you're saying you basically believe that Janet orchestrated the breast flash the way Madonna planned her book launch? I just want to be clear on what you're saying.

Why has this descended into a Madonna vs. Janet in a thread that was discussing the documentary? And this feels like this has happened before?

I don't think there is so much an Easy/West divide as much as it's Novak vs. others. There were far higher numbers of more visible, prominent players from the Balkans 15-20 years ago than now. You had Seles, Ivanisevic, Ljubicic, Majoli, Dokic, Prpic, etc. Three of those names won at least one major title. Then add on Ivanovic and Jankovic. Nobody had it harder than Seles who was stabbed on court and as an ethnic Hungarian was part of a minority group even with the former Yugoslavia. When you go into Russia alone 15-20 years ago you had a ton more prominent players who dwarf today's numbers. Kafelnikov, Safin, Kuznetsova, Myskina, Demientieva, Safina, Tursunov, not to mention Kournikova. I have been following tennis for a very long time now and there isn't geographic divide in the sport. There are pockets of ethno-nationalism, among European fans from those areas and among MAGA-philic fans.

There is more to theater than musicals. Janet actually has dramatic ability since the days of Penny on Good Times. I agree that it would be beneath her to try to compete with the kids as she would call them. There are other musical directions in which she can go. She seems content right now so I don't think she has to run out there to make bank, I doubt she's in a cash crunch or anything.

Minor characters on soaps continue to provide the biggest source of intrigue in this category for me. On B&B in particular, all of the Black characters who come on in the first few years are pretty much minor characters. I saw an actor who played a forensic pathologist and didn't really recognize him but he was good looking, lol, and I checked for his name in the closing credits. Jesse Moore seems to be quite a Renaissance man.

In the short-term, maybe a few social media posts and momentarily, some talk. Probably an attempt at a promo or two that people will puzzle over. Over the long-term, it will only serve to further erode the possibilities for the viability of this character and further diminish the show's prospects and its legacy as entertainment. You know, the usual.

I sincerely hope no Democrats get enmeshed in all this Republican infighting. It's little more than a distraction to Democrats' goals.

Over the past two decades, SORASing has been employed really recklessly and has done more harm than good to the legacy of these soaps. Noah has not had a halfway decent storyline since the character reached adulthood. And somehow fans have pinned it on actor after actor. When does this become about poor writing and nonexistent direction for this character?

That promo doesn't make sense. Why can no one ever write a decent story for Noah? It's not that hard. It can't be every actor who is impossible to write a decent story. What does Noah do? What are his interests? Find an interior life that doesn't involve a romantic partner and work your way outward from there. C'mon Josh, do better!

Please don't make me watch that lol.

One thing is that I do wish that Janet had changed her management to someone who would have been more culturally sensitive. Even in the midst of that blackballing period, she did cultivate some fans, particularly in the hip hop crowd. Someone posted somewhere on social media, how Black media had provided more coverage and opportunity for her after the "mainstream" audience had abandoned her. This often happens to a lot of Black artists, especially as they get older. You have Dionne Warwick, who mainstream audiences have decided exists again, after it became cool to look at her tweets, but guess who had already declared her "Auntie" status and was already engaging her? Black Twitter. Jackson faded for mainstream audiences but for Black audiences, she never really went anywhere--she just took breaks.

There may be some serious trauma there. No doubt though that Dickson clearly needs help. What she posted of her book online seemed a meandering jumbled rant. At the very least, she needed an editor for her book.

People always talk about Stephanie Forrester preferring Ridge over Thorne, but she sure went to great lengths to protect him when he shot up his older brother's @ss. No doubt Ridge was still her favorite.

Nicholas Paul Walker, who played Trey Clegg on Capitol, are there any recent interviews or articles on him? I read that he is a landscape designer and he and Kathy Ireland co-founded one of her companies?

You're welcome. If only P&G had allowed the SoapClassics people to continue the digitization process. You can always tell the uploads from their DVD sets because the quality is pristine, digital clarity. That clipping is very cool @Soapsuds That is the type of visual aide that I would expect any interviewer to have when interviewing Bryce. You know what's interesting? After posting that 1983 episode, I looked at a few other clips from '83 and was really scrutinizing Meg Ryan's movements and you know who she kind of reminded me of? Jennifer Ashe as Meg Snyder. Not completely but, at times, with the gesticulation and exuberance, when Meg Snyder was not being devious. Now that I think about it, I read that apparently, Ryan and Ashe were friends back in the 80s. I wonder if they still are?

That episode has been up on YouTube for several years. SoapClassics sold it as part of their box sets and streamed the episodes on their website, I remember viewing it there.

There is no comparison between someone grabbing at your clothes exposing your breast and someone putting out a planned and published sex book. None. And any attempt to equate the two as if they are one in the same is obtuse thinking. If we examine and believe Janet's words (unless you don't believe her when she said that it was an unfortunate accident, unplanned-(if you don't take her at her word, then that is another matter entirely) then one would have to acknowledge that the backlashes was something entirely different from what Madonna faced from publishing her Sex book and doing Justify My Love (using an unauthorized sample). I do think it's funny that despite Janet trying to give Justin Timberlake some public cover from the years of backlash from her fans, the Black community are still like "We love you Jan, but nah, we're never letting him off the hook, he's still on the $hit list for that".

Aww damn. He was also really good on Head Of The Class.

Staged a resurgence indeed. Daniil did flop that third set and that was all Rafa needed to hang in there til the bitter end.

Looks like Rafa is staging a resurgence and Daniil is flopping a bit at the moment.

Seeing this documentary makes me wonder if the light and fluffy, frou frou fare was more about not engaging in any type of heavy, emotional matter during a difficult time in her life, a kind of means of self-care. Not everyone wants to pour all their emotional pain into their artistic work all the time. It may not have worked for her creatively or what fans have come to expect but maybe psychically it may have been what she needed. Also, enduring a kind of soft blackballing during Michael's trial and allegations and hard blackballing after the Superbowl fiasco, she may have felt the need to not make waves, including creatively. Just something to consider. From the outside looking in, people may have assumed that Janet was a very powerful woman, but we can see from Coca-Cola pulling their offer that was on the table because of allegations against her brother and not her as well as the fact that, during the post Superbowl fiasco period, seemingly only Tyler Perry (and a few other musicians, mainly rappers) wanted to work with her, should tell you what an artistic bind Janet was likely. She may have made some concessions in order to not make waves.

FWIW, Irna Phillips was not at all known to be a nice person, some people would call her downright tyrannical. It's also a fact that without her, television in the daytime would consist of game shows and maybe a Kelly and Ryan type talk show. Daytime has a more complicated legacy than people realize.

From what I have seen (and I haven't seen all the match), Daniil is really running Rafa ragged.