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I think they are going to simultaneously say don't bring them here and attack Biden for not helping them, and the press will nod along.

Zaid Jilani is another of the "populist" left whose main job is "owning the libs" and sniffing around for his latest forever friend on the far right (he wrote and then deleted a gushing profile saying Josh Hawley was the new Teddy Roosevelt). I wonder whenever I see nonsense like this if he knows the people he loves will never support refugees who do not have white skin, and he is just lying for money reasons, or if he really is deluded enough to not get it. We are going to see never-ending posturing from the monsters on the right about how Biden abandoned refugees but refugees should not come here. At least the likes of Cortes and Stephen Miller are honest about why. Jilani will give them cover at every turn.

They are very influential in the media, unfortunately, so this is the type of thing that is used beyond a right wing base.

If it's made into a partisan issue, as it has already been, then it's more likely to be a 50/50 issue. Everything, even wearing a mask, goes that way. That push poll put out by Politico is being used to "prove" 45% of the public wants to stay. MSNBC had a "Democrat" on who spent ages before and after Biden's speech screaming about how we need to go back and take the bases. I'm not sure this would go any differently. The GOP and the media gain a lot from making this go their way and they are already devoting 24/7 resources to making that happen.

I already said this in the media thread, but Politico is putting out push polls saying only 49% now support the pullout, so that will just further exacerbate the media propaganda. A lot of this is about people who will not accept the truth - yes, the evacuations should have been done better, but if this were Trump, who would have had Afghans mowed down in the street and spat on their graves, we would have been told it was fine, because he would have given a bombastic speech. It's the same reason some of these same ghouls love to go on about Jimmy Carter, who also tried to tell the truth. The right wing and their media sycophants just make things worse and worse, and more and more twisted and demoralizing. It's a struggle to not just completely give in to nihilism when I see so many hacks out there with their glycerin tears about refugees when they know that the GOP will never let 99% of those refugees in and they know that many of the politicians they would sell their children for, like DeSantis, Trump, Hawley, etc. have and will continue to keep refugees out. The pieces of [!@#$%^&*] who weep and wail about how America has lost its standing are at least more honest. They care about not getting to feel special. They care about getting less party invitations, and side eyes at the parties they are still invited to. They are too rich and out of touch to realize that any standing America ever had in the world - whatever that even was - was destroyed when Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, and W (another piece of [!@#$%^&*] that the media now lionizes), with a great assist from the same media flacks now wringing their hands, lied their way into "liberating" Iraq and spewed bile at the countries smart enough to not join them. No wonder so many people have left this country behind and will never look back. And I don't even want to imagine what is coming.

The media is absolutely desperate, carrying water and pushing multiple attacks on various fronts. "Liberal" MSNBC, featuring the shows of various warmongers, has this man on over and over to scream and scream, in-between reminding everyone that so many people talk to him and only he understands, go to his website and buy his book: Naturally, the Never Trump brigade who were extremist Republicans before being kicked out of the party for their failures, like Bill Kristol and Michael Steele, eat this up. And there's always more: It's a sad day when Saagar, a Tucker Carlson puppet, has a better take than 98% of the press. I saw Dave Weigel's tweet about the RNC removing their press release on supporting withdrawl, and he mentioned that was a popular position until this weekend. I wondered what he meant until I saw this: The media and the GOP will work nonstop until they manipulate the public into getting worked up about the pullout - real or performative outrage. It will become yet another 50/50 issue, and yet another issue that the media will claim the public supports them on. If nothing else I hope this is a wakeup call for those in the party who did not realize just what an enemy of the people the media has become and how they will do anything they can to hand 2022 and 2024 to the GOP. No amount of vacuous Sunday morning show interviews will change that. They need to be frozen out.

I think the public who are sucked in by the media and GOP talking points will fall in line against Biden (that and the dead end leftists who are eating up all the giddy propaganda from loathsome Snowden and Greenwald today), so it will likely be 50/50, like everything else these days. I do find the hypocrisy of Republicans suddenly pretending to care about "women and girls" enough to make me want to retch, but this type of phoniness is appealing to much of the country, along with shameless Andrea Mitchell forcing out tears oncamera. The people who have been desperate to find "proof" of Biden's failure will never let this go. The only thing to hope for is that in spite of not having money, media control, and control of a majority of state and federal courts and legislate maps, Democrats can manage to hold on for a narrow majority in 2022. Biden seems to be willing to play the long game and not care about what people say - he's lost too much in his life to stop and listen to the chattering classes. So I am going to just try to go by his example and ignore a lot of stuff and cut my Twitter intake even further down, alongside my just about nonexistent news viewing. The news industry in this country at this point can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned. It's done.

There seems to be more and more of a groundswell about Cuomo planning to run again, especially with the state legislature's decision not to impeach him.

Pathetic.

In terms of the severe voter suppression laws passed there, yes.

And this is with Trump doing his best to undercount minority numbers in the census. No wonder there have been so many efforts to suppress votes and overturn elections. They will make sure all of this means nothing.

Horrifying. And just the start.

Just pathetic - over and over Collins, breathlessly hyped by the media and her sycophants on Twitter, has been aggressive and hostile. Sadly this type of ignorance only leads to more and more power and prestige in the press.

Some are already saying that Cuomo is resigning because that means he can run for office again. I wouldn't be surprised.

The closest that ever came to happening was after the Access Hollywood tape was leaked, but the base still rallied around him. Some GOP governors are more easy to push into resignation, but their base is so depraved even they don't stay away for long (look at Eric Greitens, likely to be elected senator from Missouri next year). I'm just glad someone got Cuomo to resign, as given his long history of battles and hostility toward many in the party, that wasn't a sure thing. I saw that Ronan Farrow put out a piece on him last night about his ugly treatment of various officials - so maybe he knew something else was on the way.

Two episodes I hadn't seen on Youtube before (or if so not in a long time). The first has Lois Nettleton and Hal Holbrook.

I also tend to still see Melissa as Jennifer - I just wish there was not so much baggage. I think Cady is great but I also think she was lucky to only be a fill-in and have a story in that period which was not some of the real low points the character had (imagine her being there during the Shawn Christian years).

You're right. I suppose I felt like Colenback looked more Bob's age. I'm not sure how John Reilly looked at the time (outside of photos) and I have never seen any of the Toms of that era either.

That's down to the absolutely ridiculous aging of Dan Stewart. He was Bob's contemporary in age by the late '60s.

Thanks for tagging me. You could really tell what a bad way Kit was in around that time. I think the fame that show brought people was not a good thing for a number of them in the short or long run. I wish him the best.