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That's such a sweet video. I know soaps are often just a job to people so when I see people who have still managed to be close all these years I'm happy. And it makes me all the sadder ATWT just forgot about Bianca, although at least she was spared...

Yes. I wish more were available because a number of episodes I've seen from the early '50s feel more creative production-wise than I would have expected. I feel like the show plays more interestingly than the synopses tend to suggest, helped in part by the strong core cast. Did Jimmy cease to exist as a character? I know Stu and Marge had a son later on. I know we've all talked about this before, but someone was asking on the video... I love the ending of the episode. Mary talking to us about the problems of the world (I imagine if Irna Philips saw this, she would have done a double take given her stance on that type of thing). It comforts me now in dark times. I can't imagine how people felt in that moment. And the CSO they used isn't any worse than what you see in movies these days. Given that Lynn Loring passed around Christmas last year I'm so glad we have a Christmas episode of her work. Thanks again @te.

His campaign presumably thought they were setting a trap for Trump. I agree with you that debates generally don't matter, but they likely thought by moving the debate earlier than normal, they would allow him to be more defined in the public eye (as the media isn't going to be honest about him) as well as reassure voters who didn't think Biden was up to running for office again. Instead, Trump ended up skating as all the negativity and fears about Biden's age were turbocharged by his performance. In that sense I think it backfired a great deal. Maybe not because of the public, who if polling is accurate (whatever that's worth) have not changed a great deal from where they were before (tied or slowly drifting toward Trump), but because it gave the media and those in the party who have never cared for Biden and/or his team and stayed quiet the chance to go hog-wild for weeks and weeks, and probably for a while longer. I agree that the main blame goes to the campaign and to the party. Many of those in the party who are now leaking have likely been uneasy about Biden for a long time but feared repercussions. So now because the media has given them permission, they are just leaking and leaking and leaking because they are cowards. So they keep leaking and the campaign keeps giving them reasons to do so, the latest being overselling this press conference as key to Biden's fate, going on about how it was a "big boy" press conference, then Biden goes out there and makes two gaffes that are absolute catnip for Trump and overshadow any positive coverage the conference could have had. One of the Congressmen who said he should drop out said their being in a position where these "moments" are so do or die is a reason for his call. I think it's too little, too late, he should have said all this last year, but I don't think he's wrong about the damage they are doing to themselves with their approach. Not to mention other decisions like picking untrustworthy George Stephanopoulos for their first interview post-debate. None of this should matter, but I think it does, and these drip drip drip mistakes are the last thing the party needs.

That's true, but it is also part of the peril of Biden having the debate so early and when he clearly wasn't in the right condition (I'm not even talking about cognitive issues, more what his people said about his travel, having a cold, etc.). Biden has never had the media or money advantages Trump has had. They set a trap and then walked right into it.

I believe both. One was from weeks ago and one from yesterday. I believe what he said, and I believe donations are down in the pretty rough period that has followed. A number of huge donors said they were done for the time being. James Carville, who is sadly still very well connected in the party, was also urging people to stop donating. I think that's going to have an effect. Yes, smaller donors will still help, but they've already given a great deal and even some of them are probably confused about what is going on.

I remember that story at the time of the debate. The article I read was more recent. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/disastrous-biden-campaign-fundraising-takes-major-hit-rcna161214

Thanks so much for the tag, @te. . If that's the episode I think it is, then the ending is very unique and moving.

Donations have been down sharply - they can recover, but I worry how much has been set in stone in ways he just can't turn around. The optics have been against him for a while in ways that mean even when he performs well it doesn't get as much attention as a slip or stumble. There's no one else who will perform better than Biden, so I think he will stay, but I'm unsure about how many who have now vocally dumped him will go back or if they will just triage and try to save down ballot seats (aside from those who want the whole party to crash for acceleration or "to teach them a lesson"). The one positive in all this is people are finally seeing how worthless Jon Stewart and that whole preening circuit is.

This being hours after "President Putin" didn't help. He's done this for a while, and I don't think it's a cognitive issue, but many will notice it much more after the last few weeks. A relative of mine who is a big supporter of his texted afterward about how weak his voice was and about the VP Trump line. I still don't think he's going to stop running, but with donations drying up and so many in the party calling for him to go, he and the party are now severely hobbled if nothing changes. I don't think there's any going back or just hoping Trump will screw up again.

Loathsome. I don't think Biden should have run again this year, but he was right to run in 2020 and was probably one of the only Democrats who could have beaten Trump. Todd eagerly trying to spin his choice as selfish and cruel just reinforces how much the Beltway have always personally disliked Biden and how eager they are to stick the knife in.

Thanks. I remember some review at the time saying she was a lesbian. Maybe that was a misinterpretation.

The last time Ginger was seen was in the 1997 reunion film. The script was heavily worked over by the actors as the original one apparently stunk, so I don't know what the plans were (I doubt there were ever any big plans for Ginger in it anyway, so her part likely stayed the same). She mentioned that she was now a lesbian, IIRC. I see that this page also has her saying Kenny was bad in bed. Ginger Kilman Ward Jul 2024 (knotslanding.net)

Thanks @Forever8 I had not seen those other two episodes.

@Lujack4Ever Thank you for such a detailed response on Renaud's character. I appreciate it. I have not watched a great deal of that period.

We don't really know the circumstances of these clips - so far they've encompassed probably a dozen episodes. A number of actors, or their family or whoever else, were less likely to keep that many episodes, given the time and expense. Select clips being saved is more common. I'm sure if she has the full episodes those could go up somewhere - if not on her channel, then maybe she could give them to someone else. I assume she doesn't have full episodes. I'm surprised she even had the clips, as most actors don't. I remember Laurie Heineman saying she had to buy an episode to submit for her Daytime Emmy reel. @NothinButAttitude Ariana said in one comment that she had a certain ATWT scene that hasn't been seen before on Youtube (Melinda's death), so she does have some ATWT material at least.

@Vee Thanks for letting me know. @FaulknerThree Women is my favorite movie of hers, and one of my favorite movies in general. I loved Shelley's work in it as you see her initially as what seems to be a quirky, hip character, only to slowly see just how hollow she is. I knew of Shelley from Faerie Tale Theatre and other vague childhood memories, but it was through her Altman movies that I began to appreciate her. Another was Nashville, where she played one of the movie's most agonizing characters - the face of naive and detached youth contrasted with Keenan Wynn's heartbreaking loss. And her combination of dizziness and steel as Olive Oyl - the ideal casting choice. I also loved her supporting role in Roxanne as Steve Martin's foster sister. Watching her is always a riveting experience. She embodies what it means to watch films - that pulse and unique joy. I have never liked Dr. Phil, but what he did to her was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in media. I am so glad she got to reclaim something of her own voice in the last few years, even in her tragic circumstances. She still had that sweet smile and that hint of being from another world. I hope wherever that world is, she's happy.

Working on that show would certainly help with high pressure situations.

Josh Hawley was out a few days ago bragging about how proud he is of Christian Nationalism and the media ignored it, or in the case of the "progressives" who have always adored him, spun it into a top. I think the country that voted for Obama doesn't exist now - the racism unleashed by morons and bigots over his winning has never been addressed and may never be. I would vote for Harris, but she has gotten so much hate from the time her Presidential campaign started, which has not changed. If Clooney was led in part by anger over Biden criticizing the ICC's views on Netanyahu, as some are speculating, then his throwing us all under the bus (when he doesn't even live here anymore) puts me off even more than I already was. As this just drags on and on, likely with Biden going nowhere and looking increasingly out of touch with his own party at the worst possible time, the chilling effect is crippling the party. Yet I do not hear about Clooney, Colbert, Douglas, Stewart, etc. writing checks for the down ballot races that will be affected by their game-playing. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/disastrous-biden-campaign-fundraising-takes-major-hit-rcna161214

It is interesting in that characters are taking action based on emotions rather than what moves the plot along or in cases like Ava, whatever the Magic 8 Ball says that day. So Willow and Drew taking action based on the connection that has built up between them for a while now does feel refreshing. Or has the potential to be. At least they finally have moved forward in a way that can't be entirely walked back. It helps that Willow has cheated before. I agree this is the best use of Cameron Mathison. The decision to make Ryan a bland and aggressively self-righteous leading man was the death of that character.

Thanks @Vee for the clip. It did seem like Maurice was trying, and his very natural connection with Vanessa remained front and center. The dialogue was also remarkably honest for a character that has been drowning in justification and delusion for decades.

There are a number of similarities, but the biggest difference is Blake was single and Blake was the seductress. She went after Ross in ways that would shock today's more prudish audiences. Can you imagine Willow skinny dipping so that Drew could see her? This story won't be as good as that one was, for many reasons, but Drew is such a non-character it's not as if one has to worry about the damage done to him. And if Chad Duell is up for it there could be a lot of drama when Michael finds out the truth - he could easily spin out of control like Grandpa Alan. It wouldn't be as entertaining as that story with Alan and Monica was, but I guess at least we won't have a scene of Michael raping Willow (I hope).

@NiqueAlexis2020 Thank you for the 2017 clip. That's very touching. Good dialogue too. I'm glad any attempts to downplay their bond were short-lived. Thanks to you and @Vee for explaining more about Maxie's children. It seems like GH under Frank has dragged out so many stories just to drag them out or kept so many actors on just to keep them on. Yet the ratings only started to fall after the show made some tentative attempts at something different this year. I don't get it. I remember liking Wes Ramsey on GL, even if he was a little overhyped by some fans, but everything about Peter seems terrible. And I'm sorry to learn they turned Alex Devane into a complete psycho (and I guess she could still return at any time even if she's "dead"). Maxie does seem a bit more vibrant lately compared to a while back. I watched some clip of her from a few years ago where she was saddled with the last failed Roger Howarth character

Yes, it was not a negative scene at all. You are probably right. I don't know if he was ever asked.

He played a bishop who had to deal with Rita Moreno (who played a nun who had been tempted into lust). I have to assume he did not know anything about the show beyond his script, because later that year he gave an interview blasting TV these days for profanity and depravity and what have you. I always looked closely at the opening credits of The Return because literally anybody could show up. If Charo had shown up I might have just nodded. Still, it was a jolt.

At this point I suppose it wouldn't be a huge shock if they decided to "solve" the Jason harem situation by pairing him with Britt again, but that's probably another year or two off (if Burton is still there or if the show is still on).