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So you hadn't seen the promos before? I'm glad. I always think you've seen everything SB related. oldtimesuds has a few more. I can't embed though. That's a great scene. You don't get that with men and women on soaps now. It would make our heads hurt. They aren't having sex and they don't want to have sex with each other. Was this after Lane Davies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzG4ewJ9_kk

Ellie is wearing possibly the ugliest outfit ever. Never seen Jane having such fun! That first Gavin was more of a looker. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DTmns48LWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIC03AAq9P4

Thanks. She was pretty good as a schemer on AW, I can't see her as a heroine. At least they were still using Penny's name.

I think it was a half-asleep typo and I was asking about someone else. But thanks for the detailed answer

Given the big ratings losses ABC was about to experience, talk about hubris. You should post some of the game show ratings in the game show thread.

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the animal catastrophe in Ohio, or the Gaddhafi stuff.

I'm not sure what's moderate about Romney. He was to the left of Ted Kennedy not all that long ago. He just changes with the wind.

I agree (at least the first year or so), but it was odd to me they gave the impression Lily was a happy and free person before Rattray. She had some happy times, here and there, but usually she was in tears, upset, everyone was telling her what a hard time she was having, etc. ATWT's other mentions for that year were best limited run character (Neal), most confusing plot (Kingsley/Malta), best daughter (Emily), most boring quad (Hutch/Debbie/Evan/Rosanna), and best bickering (Kirk/Lucinda).

I was reading a Digest best/worst issue for 1993 and they praise Martha Byrne as best female comeback. I can understand that - her return was pretty good. I did laugh when they said that Lily had been a happy and free spirit until Martha had left in 1989. I don't remember MB's Lily EVER being all that free, much less happy, for most of her first run.

I think Doug Savant wanted to do a story like that, although maybe I'm making that up.

Democrats only had control of all branches of government for a few months, since most of the time they didn't have to votes in the Senate to break filibuster, with the Republicans keeping Al Franken in court, and then not too long after that, Ted Kennedy passing away. The economy is being dragged down because of all the cuts in jobs that went to state employees and federal employees. Those losses are offsetting growth in the private sector. Here's an article about what this type of thing does in Ohio. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/columbus-cleveland-ohio-unemployment

I guess by the '90s that wasn't happening on TV but I wonder sometimes why they didn't just have Matt become one of those suddenly bisexual characters, instead of wasting Doug Savant year in and year out (aside from a few stories like that hysterical drug addiction). Have him sleep with Amanda and say she can turn any man. Years ago I would have been offended by this, so I guess many others would too, but the writing for Matt just sucked...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367360/Gov-Chris-Christie-labels-husband-Albert-Manzo-Real-Housewives-New-Jersey-liar-boots-government-position.html

have been the same, whatever work I did." She does admit that being an actress may have strengthened this attitude. At sixteen, during vacation between high school and college, she went into summer stock as an apprentice, was quickly graduated to ingenue leads ,and went on the road, instead of entering college in the fall. She played the lead role of Corliss in "Kiss and Tell." She later did road shows, half-a-dozen Broadway and off-Broadway plays, a great deal of nighttime TV drama. She says, in retrospect, "For fourteen years, I have been an actress. I have examined other people's emotions. Their ways of living, their relationships to one another. I have recreated these emotions, and to some extent, they became mine. This has been bound to make a difference in me." At twenty, Rosemary was married to a man - a few years older than she - who is now a successful stage director. They were very much in love. Six years later, she asked for a trial separation, and about one year later, they were divorced. Yet she still says of her marriage, "It takes two to break up a marriage. And it takes a set of circumstances. I am tremendously fond of my ex-husband. You don't love for six years, and sever the bonds lightly. But loving someone isn't necessarily remaining in love. A young girl doesn't always understand this." In Rosemary's opinion, a young girl may be inclined to marry for the wrong reasons. She says, "The security of marriage itself my have a certain meaning for her, rather than the person she chooses. Every girl has her own conception of what the marriage should be, into which she tries to make everything else fit.So many young wives do everything wrong. The husband becomes unhappy and the wife is also unhappy. "A young girl sees life in romantic fantasies," Rosemary continues. "She makes a situation seem what she wants it to be. But it won't be like that in reality. A time arrives when she must come to grips with her marriage as it is. When she must find areas of compromise, if that is possible. Everything she has read in novels and stories, and seen in movies and television, may have helped to perpetuate the fantasy. This makes it even more difficult." Rosemary stresses the importance of strong, enduring friendships with her own sex and with men. Based on mutual liking and understanding, mutual respect for each other's individuality. "What is living but relating to other people?" she asks. "Giving and taking. Forming warm, deep, mature friendships." It amuses her now to look back on the first months after her divorce. "I went through a period of what could only be called 'delayed adolescence.' I felt it was a wasted evening if I didn't have a cocktail date, a theater date, a date to go out afterwards. But after a while, the dates all turned out to be more or less alike - only the names were different. The cast changed, you might say, but the play remained the same. There were other things, more productive things, I wanted to do with my time. I suppose I had to get all that out of my system before I learned better." The great problem with men, as she sees it - at least with those she meets , and she meets a great many - is that some are too giving and some not enough. "There is either the sweet, kind, loving person who very soon lets you step all over him - and a strong woman doesn't like that at all. Or there is the man so egocentric that he thinks only of himself. This kind of man usually expects the woman to become subject to him, to the point of negating her own identity." Many women feel "trapped" in marriage, she believes. But many could be happier, if circumstances were changed even a little. The potential is there, if only there were the right conditions. She tells about one of her friends who found such an outlet. "The first four years of her marriage were extremely difficult. Her husband worked at night, she had a couple of babies, and she was just there at home, alone, most of the time. Her house was chaotic. She complained about the endless round of cooking and cleaning. Although he couldn't really help any of this - any more than she could - she quarreled with her husband a great deal. "After a while they moved into a development where a community theater began to flourish. As much for an outlet for her frustrations as for the work itself, she started to help. She had a baby-sitter, occasionally at first, but as her interest grew and her mood became happier, her husband helped her to get out more. She built sets, became stage manager, acted in some of the plays. The result was that she became a better housewife, because she had to put herself on schedule. Now her relationship with her husband is happier, the home is well organized and she is more contented. It required energy to get started. She had to give herself a push. But it did change her world." Giving one's self a push is something with which Rosemary herself is quite familiar. she does it every day on a schedule that would appall many women. When she is on the show - and frequently she is on every day of the week - she arrives at the studio at 7:30 in the morning. She leaves at 5:30, after rehearsals for the next day. There may be as many as forty pages of dialogue to learn at night. She takes classes in "body movement" - for the coordination and sense of rhythm required by every actor. She studies voice. She attends drama workshop for professionals. She is studying French, and taking some college courses she missed when she went on the road as an actress instead of entering college. She finds time to be a gourmet cook. "Part of the whole picture of me is a strong domestic streak. I love to cook, to bake, to experiment with new recipes. My kitchen is always well-stocked and I get a tremendous satisfaction when people enjoy a meal at my home." She loves music, studied piano. Her father was a brilliant concert cellist who worked under the baton of the great Toscanini and, later, in the Firestone orchestra. "Music is a part of me. My home is always filled with it." "Home" is now a small mid-town New York apartment near the East River. Living room, bedroom, dining area, kitchen and bath. "Furnished in a way that expresses my diversifed interests. The living room is Oriental in feeling. Low pieces, in various lovely woods. Upholstery of rough-textured fabrics. All of it expressing the career side of me. The painting s and many of the ornaments have tremendous meaning for me. Some I have bought, some have been gifts, some of the pictures and the etchings are the work of friends. "The bedroom is a very feminine room, all in blue and white, expressing another side of me. A scrolled, white chaise longue, a white desk and table. To me, a home means the privacy and dignity I need." Like Penny Baker, the girl she plays so eloquently in As the World Turns, Rosemary Prinz feels she has learned that every experience contains a needed lesson. And that out of those experiences emerges a new maturity. "I couldn't play Penny at all if I didn't try to play her honestly. I try to invest her with the things I believe in, within the framework of the way she is conceived by the creator and writer of the show, Irna Phillips. Irna has a fantastic talent for what I call 'intuiting.' She has the gift of sensing things about people.about people. If the actor brings something to the part, she will expand that and develop it. It makes the show wonderful to work in. "The character of Penny is honest, but she is not a priggish person at all. She is courageous, not afraid of life. She has loved, but disappointment has never made her bitter. She is strong, yet she is very feminine. She is vulnerable - as all women are - but, when her trust has been misplaced, she can say, 'That happened, and now I have to go on to something else.'" Like Penny, Rosemary has learned that to live means to change constantly. "During the past five years there has been an enormous change in me. During the next five, there will be more. There has been pain. There has been the effort to go back - to the dates, to the flowers delivered every day, to the excitement of adolescence. But this could never satisfy a woman of any depth for any length of time. "So now I am in the next stage of my life. I don't know what is ahead for me - any more than Penny knows what is ahead for her. Perhaps I shall marry again - when I meet a man who understands the basic needs of all these different women who are part of me." All these different women, all these many facets that Rosemary Prinz can call upon and re-create to make her acting honest and impressive.

August 1961 TV Radio Mirror

Thanks. It's hard to remember they were that close, it seems like a lifetime ago.

What bothers me is - and I'm sure this happens in both parties but I'm just using this as an example - someone who is very influential basically goes and says something without knowing anything about what it means, because they are much more focused on the delusion behind the idea. For instance, Michelle Bachmann wants to go back to the tax rates we had when Reagan was in office. Did she know what those were? http://caucuses.desm...illing-in-anwr/

I was reading a TV Radio Mirror from October 1974 and they mention Oliver Crawford will be playing one of Betsy's brothers, and would appear in late summer. I didn't see any Oliver Crawford on IMDB who would be in the right age range in this role. I don't know anything about this role. Who were her brothers?

A Robert Lansing site says they divorced and he has a daughter. I wonder what they would have done with Kate if Sally Stark had stayed on the show. Who was she strongest with on the show?

The show wasn't on much longer after this was it?

industrial real estate. After a year of living with Gay's folks, Konrad managed to save enough to move his family to a Manhattan apartment. At last he could be near the theaters and audition for everything - holding fast to his steady part-time job as salesman. "We moved into a 'floor-through' apartment," Konrad recently recalled. He leaned back in his swivel chair comfortably slumping. "Sounds impressive but it was a railroad apartment on 91st Street. It wasn't our ideal, but it was big and cheap. "In all this time I heard nothing from my father, then when he saw me on Secret Storm, he began to think perhaps I was getting somewhere. I'll admit, there were times when I wondered if I had made a mistake, because that job selling real estate was my only source of steady income." He chuckled, shaking his head, laughing at himself. "As a matter of fact, it was only a few months ago that I finally did give it up. Unlike some actors, my family comes first, above all else. If I were unable to make a good income, support my family, I would give up acting." Until recently, those lean years were the only time Konrad would allow Gay to work - he just doesn't believe in working wives. But he realized he was doing her a great injustice by not allowing her to follow her desire, as he had followed his. Gay is a film director. "She is of inestimable value, critically, to me, and a great idea person," beams Konrad. Sh e proved this recently by directing an education film with new concepts and new techniques. The Ford Foundation acclaimed the film, Where Time Is A River, as the finest of its kind. Konrad gave his desk a knuckle-rap. "Knock wood, so far everything has worked out for me. So far - " he added with no small amount of uncertainty. "In this business you're on top one day and out of the running the next. You've got to be better than good in this field because there's always somebody clambering right behind you up that golden ladder. "By now I'm accustomed to pressure. I've certainly known enough of it. "When I left my secure position in Dad's firm, the mental conflict was tremendous. I knew how opposed my parents were. My fears of failure were like prison bars - making my choice was like breaking out of jail. I knew I might not make it as an actor, particularly with no background for it. Failing would be rather like getting caught, you know, and having to go home and serve time. "My father seemed to forget he chose his profession. When I went to him and said I didn't feel like I belonged nin the automotive world - he took it as some sort of personal defeat." Super K admits he could understand his father's opposition. To decide to act was not something a 24-year-old man with a family was supposed to do? "Papa M" made no bones about how he felt. "It was madness, I guess, but I had to do it." Listening to Konrad, watching his expressive face, one could actually see the tension mounting as he nervously pounded pencil to desk. "Today, I'm glad I had the courage to do it, but there were times..." They went through plenty of tight-pocket tension the first people of years in New York and with the coming of their second daughter, Leslie, Gay had to resign her position as assistant to the director of the Russian Institution at Columbia University. But, as with all rainy days, the sun finally broke through. Konrad took a big change and produced an off-Broadway show, A Man's Man, in which he also starred. The show did well. Broadway began opening its doors to the heretofore unknown and he played in Luther, The Milk Train Doesn't Stop Here Anymore, 13 Daughters. A long list of off-Broadway shows followed. He again tried his producing wings, doing the long-running An Evening's Frost off-Broadway. Then television beckoned. He did Another World, Look Up And Live, Secret Storm, and many others. There is also a low-budget movie he made last January, produced in Australia, Long Journey Into Darkness. It will premiere in Australia and be shown in the States early in '68. Back to his hometown Not only is Konrad "in" at CBS but he's coming "out" soon as a full-fledged Broadway producer. This show, George M., a musical based on the life of George M. Cohan, starring Joel Grey. It's scheduled for Broadway sometime in February. And - the tryout will be in Detroit - his hometown - at the Fisher Theatre in January. Surely Matthaei Sr. will give his second son a second consideration and the respect he is due for going after and getting what he believed in - since Frederick Matthaei once upon a time did the very same thing. Konrad's piercing blue eyes have a look that tells you he'll never turn his back on his so no matter what road he chooses to travel. Konrad Jr. is a handsome infant favoring his dad in looks. He has already been tagged Baby K as opposed to Super... The Mattheai family spends Monday through Friday in Manhattan, where Leslie and Marcy attend private schools. Weekends they are in the country,. Marcy, who dreams of being an actress, is already a model for Bonwit Teller. Leslie wants to be a ballerina or a nurse. Both girls are fiercely proud of their dad. Leslie giggles and glows whenever he's recognized and often stirs up Pop's ire by humming as they stroll along the street, "Here's Roy McGuire." Yes, Konrad's girls, both of them, are his biggest fans. That golden ladder Konrad mentioned is very much in his thoughts but Super K has got what it takes to scale the heights.

Thanks. So by this time 18-49 had become more important? I thought WTHI was canceled in spite of strong 18-49 demos.

ly acts on the show. "When I first did The Guiding Light, well I wasn't sure if I wanted to really even do the show. I remember asking my father if he thought I should do it, and he said that I should. After all, it was only for two years. Little did I know. "I suppose I have so many memories connected with the show, but off-hand it's hard to pinpoint any. Time hallows things...but there, back in time, it was great fun. How did we ever get through the summers, I wonder now. There in one room with one great big window. But those first days on television, it was so much fun. There was such spirit." Charita, going backwards in time, remembers that she started out wanting to be a ballerina. "But who would have me with my stumpy legs?" she comments. "I think I got into the business because my downstairs were the Perez Twins who were quite a noted act. So I think my mother got the idea from their mother and I began making rounds and then modeling. "My mother...she's still alive...now there is a liberated woman. And I'm a liberated woman. I had no choice but to follow the example set by her. "I can remember going around with her and meeting all sorts of exciting people. I don't know how we or she knew them. I remember visiting dance studios with her, and studio apartments...I remember one had one of those Chinese lamps with the fringes on them...so romantic. And the quality of my memories is like the light shed from that lamp - delicate. "Music has always been a part of my life...then and now. Just recently I had an evening with nothing to do so I decided to go to Rizzoli, a wonderful bookshop on Fifth Avenue. And outside the bookshop two struggling students were playing oboe duets so that they could earn some money to continue their studies. "Well, watching them, I so admired their devotion and concentration, that that experience was like gold to me. Such beauty. It was a hot night, but it didn't matter, it all went away as I listened to them play and I was happy. Music makes me happy. "I was exposed to music and art as a child, and living and growing up in the city I took as much advantage as I could. I guess that's why I love New York because it offers so much. I grew up just a few blocks from where I'm now living and my mother lives just a few blocks away. "She's still a liberated woman. As for myself, I find my own 'liberation' so tiresome. I wish for more of the other. Nowadays, there's all of this talk about the new liberated woman. Don't people know that they are liberated only because they have a vacuum cleaner? It's all timing. Years ago, women couldn't afford to be liberated because there were no machines to do all of the work like there are today. And honestly some contend the scientific wonders of man have only brought us even more problems to cope with! "But for me, well, I've always believed that you have choices. That things don't have to be a certain way. I don't know...maybe everything's planned from the start though. You know when I was five my mother brought me to a woman to have my chard done. I'm a Sagittarius. After the chart was completed my mother never said a word to me. Every so often I ask to see the chart and she asks me why. She's very evasive...says it's hidden somewhere." She says with a smile, in a joking voice, that she wishes that her life had been different, that she wishes that her life had been different, that she's terribly erratic, but nice, and that she can't help it but she is forever late. "I must have an arrogant streak in me," she says, "but I never worry about being late. I mean, after all, when you're on time, let's face it, everyone else is late. "Haven't you ever waited for a bus or a plane? I mean getting onto a 747 is sheer steerage. You have to wait and wait and wait for all of those people to board. I'd rather be the one to run across the field as the plane's about to depart. I mean there's no point in being there early. "I don't admire my being late, it's just that I so dislike having to wait. I'd rather have George do it. "I suppose if my being late is my greatest flaw it's not so bad. You know, being ill, I did re-evaluate my lot. (Charita was rushed to the hospital for surgery last year.) And I find that I'm more sure of myself. I got rid of a lot of fringe. I've got a freer view now. No pressures...few responsibilities. "My son Michael was married not long ago. He's my only child and my parents and I raised him. I left his father early in the marriage when Michael was quite young. "I'm free now. You know, through my illness, I suppose what kept me going was a good amount of faith. I am religious. But in this life I believe you do everything you can so when the jig is up you have no regrets. "I don't like to really think about the big problems of the world. I can't worry about the big things...the price of food is just about enough. Who could dare to worry about the Atom bomb. After all, I'm only five foot one. "The world's in a different way today. We need things to be as simple and as sweet as possible. You asked me what I would like to be. I don't know." She sits there smiling for a time, trying to find an answer. Finally she says softly, "I wish I was pleasant all of the time..." We leave the celebrated daytime actress the way we found her - with a twinkle in her eye and a smile on her lips, and a look that lets you know she's totally in love with life. MARVIN J. BEVANS