1 hour ago, Antoyne said:

Also it finally hit me today that while I thought Nina and Maxie were just fun gal pals, Stafford’s Nina was somehow related to Maxie’s ex Nathan who was related to Dr Brit and Obrecht’s evil clown ass. I’m pretty sure all these people are related and with how GH operates they’re dead too. I love the Nina and Maxie friendship regardless so even if I’m wrong they’re still two gal pals I enjoy.

It's very confusing to me when I learn of or remember these details. I saw someone on Twitter asking why Sam wasn't more supportive of Ava as she is her aunt. Did they ever have a relationship along those lines? (I know they are biologically related)

16 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

BTW, was anyone else struck that JGL didn't mention Kate Mansi in her long goodbye message? It's pretty standard to mention someone you shared that much screen time with, so it seems intentional not to mention her.

Neither follow each other on Instagram, and have never mentioned each other in their stories, etc. I don't think there was a good connection off-set behind-the-scenes.

5 hours ago, DRW50 said:

It's very confusing to me when I learn of or remember these details. I saw someone on Twitter asking why Sam wasn't more supportive of Ava as she is her aunt. Did they ever have a relationship along those lines? (I know they are biologically related)

No, lol. I forgot that too. I can't remember Sam ever having a second of tolerance for Ava.

And yes, Nina was the (adopted) sister of the varnished wood effigy known as Nathan West - his bio-mom was Obrecht, Donna Mills' sister. Stafford's Nina used to constantly call him "Jay" (his first name was James) and fawn over him which drove me nuts. I had a very strong suspicion in 2014-15 that RC had actually intended for both to be stealth Cassadines given the connection he created between Obrecht and Thaao Penghlis' Victor Cassadine, and have Nina and wooden Nathan end up hanging out at Wyndemere and mixing it up with Nikolas and co. Small favors that didn't happen. But anyway I never cared about Nina and Nathan's bond, their family, etc. I do buy Nina caring for Maxie even more since Nathan's death, though.

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1 minute ago, Vee said:

No, lol. I forgot that too. I can't remember Sam ever having a second of tolerance for Ava.

She did... during the facial storyline. She went to Ava and showed some semblance of compassion.

2 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

She did... during the facial storyline. She went to Ava and showed some semblance of compassion.

Eh, a fluke. I try not to remember that storyline.

Just now, Vee said:

Eh, a fluke. I try not to remember that storyline.

🤣 All I remember is Maura West selling shït as gold, per usual as she does on this soap. LOL.

I really had to think how Sam was related to Ava for a few minutes lol.  Sam met her dad when she was in her 30's.   Ava after that.  I know soaps usually make insta connections because biology is all that matters, but I don't see why Sam would care much. 

5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I really had to think how Sam was related to Ava for a few minutes lol.  Sam met her dad when she was in her 30's.   Ava after that.  I know soaps usually make insta connections because biology is all that matters, but I don't see why Sam would care much. 

Oh, she's a Jerome. FINALLY getting it.

27 minutes ago, Vee said:

No, lol. I forgot that too. I can't remember Sam ever having a second of tolerance for Ava.

And yes, Nina was the (adopted) sister of the varnished wood effigy known as Nathan West - his bio-mom was Obrecht, Donna Mills' sister. Stafford's Nina used to constantly call him "Jay" (his first name was James) and fawn over him which drove me nuts. I had a very strong suspicion in 2014-15 that RC had actually intended for both to be stealth Cassadines given the connection he created between Obrecht and Thaao Penghlis' Victor Cassadine, and have Nina and wooden Nathan end up hanging out at Wyndemere and mixing it up with Nikolas and co. Small favors that didn't happen. But anyway I never cared about Nina and Nathan's bond, their family, etc. I do buy Nina caring for Maxie even more since Nathan's death, though.

Wait so who are Nina’s parents if she’s Nathan’s adopted sister? That whole family tree was a mess to me and you unlocked a buried memory of Stafford saying Jay as much as possible. It’s actually funny I really only consider Stafford’s Nina and CW’s Nina the same person in name only. That was helped by the insanity of Nina and Ava ever being gal pals.

9 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I really had to think how Sam was related to Ava for a few minutes lol.  Sam met her dad when she was in her 30's.   Ava after that.  I know soaps usually make insta connections because biology is all that matters, but I don't see why Sam would care much. 

I genuinely forget regularly that Julian was supposed to be Sam’s dad. It didn’t help that KM and her onscreen dad looked like peers.

7 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

Wait so who are Nina’s parents if she’s Nathan’s adopted sister? 

Nina's parents are Donna Mills' pointless character Madeline Reeves, Obrecht's sister, and her late(?) tycoon husband. Madeline took in Nathan. But again, I strongly suspected given all the musical parents Ron was doing at that time (including revealing that Nathan was actually Obrecht's, which was only brought up maybe a year in) that that would've been subject to change to tie Nina deeper into the show. 

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3 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I genuinely forget regularly that Julian was supposed to be Sam’s dad. It didn’t help that KM and her onscreen dad looked like peers.

Maybe not peers, but definitely more siblings than father/daughter.  They kept Sam's paternity secret so long I think a lot of us thought it was going to be something darker.  Not lame-o Julian.

Just now, carolineg said:

Maybe not peers, but definitely more siblings than father/daughter.  They kept Sam's paternity secret so long I think a lot of us thought it was going to be something darker.  Not lame-o Julian.

It still pisses me off. They wasted it on some random HS sweetheart hook-up. And I still think it's just Alexis' brain psychologically covering for Stavros, lol.

3 minutes ago, Vee said:

It still pisses me off. They wasted it on some random HS sweetheart hook-up. And I still think it's just Alexis' brain psychologically covering for Stavros, lol.

Yeah.  I definitely thought it was going to be more twisty and involve incest.  GH was probably too scared to go there and just went with WDV to give him more ties to the show.

9 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Yeah.  I definitely thought it was going to be more twisty and involve incest.  GH was probably too scared to go there and just went with WDV to give him more ties to the show.

I think it may have been the intent (or something like it) under Guza. But Frank and Ron came in with a clean slate and just didn't have the mindset for any of that or I suspect any knowledge of it - they just went for something pretty pedestrian.

As for the rest, I just don't think there's a chance in Hell that Ron Carlivati of all people revealed Obrecht and Victor had a past only to make them not have one if not two secret kids together. I think we were going to be subjected to Ryan Paevey and Stafford hanging around Wyndemere acting like Carlivati's 'new Cassadine generation' with little Nicolas Bechtel Spencer. Again, small mercies.

I also strongly suspected Ron had initially intended for Stafford's Nina to be the true mother of Kristen Alderson's Kiki, who Ava would have somehow stolen from Coma Nina BITD during their feud over Silas in New York, but I digress. My brain worked overtime in those days because you had to with Ron's deranged twists and needless add-ons. WTFever is going on with Anna Lynne McCord's "Abby" on DAYS right now is the same sort of situation - I think people are right that it's probably Gwen yet again.

15 minutes ago, Vee said:

I think it may have been the intent (or something like it) under Guza. But Frank and Ron came in with a clean slate and just didn't have the mindset for any of that or I suspect any knowledge of it - they just went for something pretty pedestrian.

As for the rest, I just don't think there's a chance in Hell that Ron Carlivati of all people revealed Obrecht and Victor had a past only to make them not have one if not two secret kids together. I think we were going to be subjected to Ryan Paevey and Stafford hanging around Wyndemere acting like Carlivati's 'new Cassadine generation' with little Nicolas Bechtel Spencer. Again, small mercies.

I also strongly suspected Ron had initially intended for Stafford's Nina to be the true mother of Kristen Alderson's Kiki, who Ava would have somehow stolen from Coma Nina BITD during their feud over Silas in New York, but I digress. My brain worked overtime in those days because you had to with Ron's deranged twists and needless add-ons. WTFever is going on with Anna Lynne McCord's "Abby" on DAYS right now is the same sort of situation - I think people are right that it's probably Gwen yet again.

I'll be honest, I still don't understand the story of Nina's baby(ies).  I don't get how Willow and Nelle are her children.  It's extremely confusing so I would hope that there was a better (or at least more clear) version of that story.  I also often forget Nina/Ava's weird ass backstory over Silas of all people.