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ALL: Proposed Soaps Over The Years

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8 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Aaron Spelling tried to remake Hotel in 2003…? I had no idea.

Neither did I.

I have vague memories of remakes of The Love Boat and Fantasy Island in the late 1990s.

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On 2/12/2026 at 2:12 PM, DRW50 said:

@soapfan770 Neither did I. Thanks. This must have been near the end for him. I guess they were thinking of the Love Boat remake on UPN, although that only ran for a year or two.

On 2/12/2026 at 3:17 PM, Chris B said:

@soapfan770 Hmmm...I hadn't heard of the Hotel remake either! Not sure that show needed to be remade. I'm surprised he didn't try to remake Dynasty while he was alive.

22 hours ago, Khan said:

"Hotel" is a show that's always easy to reboot - simple premise, episodes you could produce on the cheap, no iconic stars from the original series to cast long and inescapable shadows on the new show - so I'm not surprised UPN tried in '03.

No problem!! I only discovered when I was looking through a list of failed Aaron Spelling shows and pilots (it’s a lengthy list too).

Of course UPN had tried out Love Boat: The Next Wave a few before with Robert Urich and Phil Morris…I can neither confirm or deny I watched an episode (or two) though….

Looking at the cast on IMDB the only names I recognized listed were Michael Jai White, Martha Smith (the Scarecrow and Mrs. King fan in me lol but yeah she would’ve been a D-list star) and Jay Kenneth Johnson, who would have obviously been fresh off his first Days stint at the time. I do remember he went on to star in the ill fated North Shore a year later.

@Khan That may be true but of course with the show being on UPN obviously celebrity guest stars has this come to fruition in 2003 probably would’ve come the way of Richard Grieco, Kirk and/or Candace Cameron, Kelly Rutherford, Nancy and/or Phillip McKeon, Antonio Sabato Jr., Tracy Middendorf etc 🤣

21 hours ago, kalbir said:

Neither did I.

I have vague memories of remakes of The Love Boat and Fantasy Island in the late 1990s.

Memory unlocked for the 1998 version of Fantasy Island. Only episode I remember watching was where Olivia D’Abo was some cheating housewife who fantasized about having her own Jenny Jones meets Jerry Springer type talk show while Malcolm McDowell also looked 200 years old lol.

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Nov 82

Jorn Winther named exec producer for proposed NBC soap Always Is Not Forever.

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6 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Nov 82

Jorn Winther named exec producer for proposed NBC soap Always Is Not Forever.

That is one clunky title! Also, a bit Bond moviesque.

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10 minutes ago, Franko said:

That is one clunky title! Also, a bit Bond moviesque.

I believe it was based on a novel of the same title.

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1 minute ago, Paul Raven said:

I believe it was based on a novel of the same title.

A-ha. Looking up the book now, which definitely has soapy possibilities.

Lovely young Susan Langdon thought she knew what she was doing when she married world-famous concert pianist Richard Antonini. She knew about the many women whom this handsome, incredibly gifted musical genius numbered among his conquests. She knew about his celebrated close-knit family…his ravenously possessive mother…his jet-paced world of dazzling glamor and glittering sophistication…his passionate dedication to his career. But she also knew—or thought she knew—Richard, her Richard, the Richard she adored and gave up her career for. Here is an unforgettably moving novel of a woman who took on more than she ever counted on when she surrendered to love—and who fought against every heart-tearing odd as she found out what marriage really meant.

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Rita Lakin wrote a proposal for 'Diary of A Mad Housewife' based on the 1970 movie. It's story of a put open, frustrated woman so I imagine Lakin would have softened that angle (and maybe consider a change of title) if it was going to sell as a daytime soap.

She was also the writer on 3 other proposed primetime soaps based on movies-Written on the Wind 1965 and An Affair to Remember 1975 and Diamond Head based on a movie 1972

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A soap based on "Written on the Wind" would've been amazing, lol.

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On 4/20/2026 at 4:25 PM, Paul Raven said:

Nov 82

Jorn Winther named exec producer for proposed NBC soap Always Is Not Forever.

Once Brian Frons in 83 arrived at NBC this, along with Scruples and some others were dropped. Santa Barbara got the go ahead instead.

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When WGPR now WWJ-TV Detroit started up as the first Black-owned television station there were plans for a Black soap opera called "A Time To Live". This was in an old Department of Education report.

Perhaps, the most ambitious project was "A Time to Live," a soap opera written by two black woman reporters for the Detroit Free Press. There were plans to syndicate this programming to television stations in other markets with large black populations (Black TV). According the George White, vice president for programming, "the program schedule will provide in-depth penetration in the problems, goals, aspirations and achievements of blacks and related ethnic groups." The problem was that such programming did not exist and creating it would cost money and there were really no syndication possibilities at the time.

WWJ-TV struggled to keep even news on the air during it's time so this idea was too ambitious to get off the ground. The only soap it ever aired was "Santa Barbara" amongst an assorted lineup of network shows. Ironically it is now a CBS affiliate.

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Desert Sun, Number 194, 17 March 1984

Koch plans horse series in Kentucky

By DAVID McCORMICK Associated Press Writer

HENDERSON, Ky. (AP) Kentucky millionaire horse breeder and plantation owner Wilson Calhoun so far is just a character in the mind of Hollywood producer Howard W. Koch. But if Koch is successful, Calhoun will be the hero of an ABC television series called “Kentucky” which he describes as a cross between CBS’ steamy soap, “Dallas,” and NBC’s frontier saga, “Centennial.” The producer for Paramount studios has received the go-ahead from ABC to draft a script for a two-hour pilot show that could air this fall. Filming would begin this summer if the script is approved. And, depending on the audience response, a regular series could be on the air by next January.

“What it basically is is a modern story with flashbacks,” Koch said in a telephone interview from his Hollywood office. “It’s the saga of the Calhoun family from the time of Daniel Boone right up to the present,” Calhoun, Koch said, is a 60-year-old, twicewidowed, fifth-generation native of the Bluegrass State. He manages his 3,000-acre estate near Lexington between big financial dealings that take him to New York, Chicago and occasionally to an exotic foreign country. He has two sons and a daughter and the plot will get rather tangled, Koch said. “It’s a high-rolling set. It’s about power and how power works and how power corrupts. “He faces a world of trials and tribulation just like everybody else, but in Kentucky, which is different from everyplace else.”

The idea is just fine with Lynda Jalbert, director of the Kentucky Film Office. “What it will do for tourism is just really a coup for Kentucky, kind of like what ‘Dallas’ has done for Dallas and South Fork,” she said. “They have hundreds of people daily to visit South Fork,” the Texas ranch where the television series’ Ewing family is shown heading its international oil empire. The film office was created in 1976 to attract movie and television producers to Kentucky. Since then, major pictures filmed in the state include “Coal Miner’s Daughter" and “Stripes.” “We just finished shooting another one with the working title of “River Rats,’” Ms. Jalbert said. “It should be out before very long.” Kentucky’s varied geography makes it a fine film location, she said. “The only things we don’t have are deserts or beaches Otherwise, we have everything in the way of locations I think any producer could possibly want.”

The pilot is being written by the husband-wife team of Stephen and Elinor Karpf, who wrote the movie "Love Story” and the script for the daytime TV soap opera “Capital.” Koch said the publishing firm of Simon and Schuster has agreed in principle to publish a novel this summer also with the working title “Kentucky” based on the pilot script Asked to assess the chances his idea has for becoming a TV series, Koch said “It’s a crap game. I’d say right now it’s about 50-50.” Certainly, the networks are interested in the bigfamily sagas, with their feuds and double-dealing. Among this season’s most popular programs are “Dallas,” “Dynasty,” about the oil-rich Carrington family in Denver and “Falcon Crest,” set in the lush northern California wine valleys. If producers could squeeze intrigue out of the wine industry, they certainly can make hay with the horse-breeding business

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Courier Express, 21 December 1980

Jean Simmons joins prime-time soaper

MISS SIMMONS stars as the matron of an aristocratic San Francisco publishing family in Golden Gate, proposed primetime soap opera in the mold of "Dallas." The pilot show tells the story of the Kingsleys, played by Richard Kiley and Miss Simmons, owners of the fictional San Francisco Bulletin, and their two children, Perry King and Mary Cros by, who was Kristin, the woman who shot J.R. on

Miss Simmons said she and executive producer Lin Bolen had a certain unnamed grande dame of publishing in mind as the model for Jane Spencer Kingsley.

"I'VE NEVER DONE a series before so I don't know what to expect," Miss Simmons said in an interview in her Santa Monica home. "I would hope that my character would sort of pop in and out." She said she's never purposely avoided a TV series. 'I've never really thought about it. But as I get on in life I find the less I want to work. I'd like to do a lot of traveling." Her role in the film frequently calls for her to be an intermediary between her husband and son, who are at sword's point

''We did a lot of kidding on the set about how we could get Richard to sing. (Kiley was Broadway's "'Man of La Mancha.") He only sings in the shower in the movie, and when I don't hear him I discover that he's had a stroke." Miss Simmons formerly was married to writer-director Richard Brooks, and has two daughters, Tracy and Kate, named after Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hep burn. She starred with Tracy in The Actress.

"I WAS BORN within the sound of the Bow Bells in London," she said. ''That makes me a real Cockney. I grew up with a Cockney accent. When the the Rank Organization put me under contract I had to talk like a lady. We had to take elocution lessons. ''Michael Caine broke the rules in Alfie. He was a hero with a Cockney accent. Things became much better after that." HER FIRST MOVIE was Give Us the Moon, and her first American movie was Androcles and the Lion, for Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes bought my contract," she said. "I woke up one morning and found myself working for Hughes. I'd met him earlier and found him to be very nice." She said she considers Elmer Gantry to be her favorite movie, but she said she also particularly likes The Actress.

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As soon as I saw Perry King's name in that article, I was glad this never made it to series.

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This is the first time I've across any detailed talk of these proposed shows. Do you think that format could have worked? I guess it all comes down to execution. Anyway ABC didn't go ahead with these but did premiere New Love American Style in Dec 85.

Greenfield Recorder, Wednesday, June 26, 1985

Dry those tears, here come the 'soapcoms'

By JAY SHARBUTT Los Angeles Time

HOLLYWOOD - Although the five-day forecast for soap operas still calls for furtive affairs followed by pregnant pauses, it is said that a faster pace, an occasional murder, disco music and location shooting have enlivened the plots in recent years. Now another ingredient is afoot: humor. The setting is what is called a "soapcom," a cross between a soap opera and a situation comedy. Such may seem heresy for a network, or at least as improbable as a tuba solo during a Jane Fonda workout. But two soapcoms are being created for ABC; "Fitzgerald and Fennelli" and "Love on Trial "

The former is by soap-and-comedy veteran Ann Marcus, the latter, by Lin Bolen, NBC's daytime programs chief for 4 1-2 years and now an independent producer. The term soapcom and these works in-progress were unveiled last month to ABC affiliates gathered in New York by Jacqueline Smith, the network's head of daytime programs. She described a soapcom as "perfect for the mornlng,"

She later declined to be interviewed about these matters, pending developments, particularly by Marcus and Bolen. In separate phone interviews, though, the Los Angeles-based developers recently said their respective shows would be daily half-hour efforts. The programs, they said, probably would air in late morning, in game-show country, instead of in the afternoon where the ladles and gentlemen of most soap operas now get their exercise

All this, of course, depends on when and if ABC's proposed soapcoms — still in the planniiig and mulling stages — go into production and get slots on ABC's daytime schedule. (No similar enterprises were announced to executives of NBC and CBS affiliates during their conventions last month.) Neither Marcus nor Bolen finds it odd that television's traditional vale of tears soon may be invaded by a chuckle or two, "although 20 years ago I don't think the (predominantly female) audience would have watched," concedes Bolen, who left NBC in 1975.

Her theory is that while women still account for perhaps 90 percent of the daytime soapopera audience, "they're much more educated and sophisticated" now and thus more willing to accept a different' approach to an ancient form. The traditional soap-opera form itself is ripe for change, says Marcus, who co-created the noted, syndicated soap-opera spoof, "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," and whose writing credits include "Search for Tomorrow," "Days of Our Lives'' and "Love of Life.'' The producer-writer, also a veteran of primetime situation comedy work in the '60s, believes that "it's kind of a natural thing that comedy should come to daytime. Everyone's getting sick of heaving and grunting." The torrid boudoir scenes of unshirted passion that have become a cliche of contemporary daytime drama have been adopted as an art form by the various nighttime soap operas now at large, she notes.

"I think it's time there were changes to shake people up, to have fun, and be a little stimulating to the head,'' Marcus says. At the ABC affiliates gathering, "Fitzgerald and Fennelli" was bouncily described in a recorded announcement; the announcer may yet hear from Gloria Steinem: "two girls on the rise and on the loose in New York." Marcus is content to describe it as the stories of two young professional women who, because of an unscrupulous "holistic dentist," must share a Greenwich Village apartment (each thought she was subletting his place for her own). Fitzgerald, she says, is a Boston blue blood, a Harvard Law School grad working as a public defender. Fennelli. from Trenton N.J., and blue-collar stock, toils as a production assistant' at the kind of talk show only Phil Donahue could love, or do.

The Donahue brand of televised social inquiry offers possibilities galore for "marvelolus satire," Marcus says. But her soapcom, she adds, would not be parody. It would be a daily diet of "strong stories" with humor, stories that are "mainly about the lives, loves and experiences" of the show's leading ladies. "Love on Trial" is set in a big-city family court. There, producer Bolen says, stories, of family feuds, divorce and juvenile problems, and the pathos, anger and humor evolving from same, hopefully, would evoke "laughter and tears simultaneously.' *"We aren't going to make fun of people's problems," she emphasizes. Instead, she says, the funny, the sad and the in-between would come from both their stories and the neverceasing efforts of a harried judge to keep families together. The show would have eight regulars, plus what she calls a "short-term" cast of actors who for a week or so would portray various family members in distress, then withdraw as other actors and new plot lines enter the courtroom. Bolen says the focus always will be the family, not the behind-closed-doors baring of human pelts so common in daytime soap opera. "I'm not suggesting we won't see anybody in bed. ' she acknowledges. I'm saying it's not the thrust of the piece."

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Thanks @Paul Raven

I can't say I'm surprised these didn't go forward. I doubt pilots were even made. If they were I wish we could see them.

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