Christian Entertainment

[Max]

That was a very heart wrenching episode of "Davey and Goliath" that Qfan shared. The wonderful animation was the brain-child of Gumby creator Art Clokey.

One of the films Marceline mentioned--"One Night with the King"--dramatizes the Old Testament's Book of Esther. This provides as good as segue as any for something I wish I had stated earlier: I welcome the sharing of entertainment of all faiths on this thread. (I wish I could rename this thread "Religious Entertainment," but only moderators can rename threads.)

A very powerful Jewish storyline that is obviously soap related centered upon Y&R's Brad Carlton/George Kaplan (and how the Holocaust devastated his family). I am frustrated because I can't find any You Tube clips of this story, but if you click on this link to Don Diamont's website, you can watch some scenes:

http://dondiamont.org/index.asp

[Huntress]

Pre-martial sex per se shouldn't be wrong. It's just the way some people handle it which is wrong.

Just because two people get married doesn't make them "responsible adults" either. If they don't have any experience, things might turn out not the way they planned it and both parties involved get frustrated. I can't imagine living in a marriage where the sexual chemistry doesn't work and you only do it once or two a year to produce children.

In that regard, Christianity isn't better than Islam.

Prohibiting things and putting pressure on people doesn't work, either. It hasn't worked in the Middle Ages – if I had, the United States wouldn't exist today because, as you know, they were founded by religious refugees – and it doesn't work today. People will always find a way to do forbidden things if they want to, and that's not only restricted to religion.

[marceline]

There are plenty of times when premarital sex is a bad idea but the idea that it's "wrong" doesn't have any traction for me. I know there are plenty of people who want/need things to be black and white, right and wrong and that's fine until they decide to tell other people to live the same way.

[Wales2004]

This is precisely why religion is a personal choice.

The Bible is rooted in the concept that people were created to serve God and not themselves nor their pleasures. That is precisely why pre-marital sex is wrong for Christians.

Max is taking a Christian perspective on sex and you're taking the worldly one. You're both right according to your perspectives.

Anyone who submits to Christian law or any religion's law and is committed to such, will find a way to deal with the sacrifices (whatever is prohibited).

The land was here and inhabited long before Christopher Columbus "discovered" it or any "religious refugees founded it." The land would exist but the U.S. as presently constituted might not. Who knows? Maybe those Pilgrims would have left for other reasons.

[JackPeyton]

I just watched two movies and was surprised at how they were Christian films and I liked them.

Forever strong w/ sean ferris and hardflip.

[quartermainefan]

"Good Christian"...Popes have been engaged in premarital sex for hundreds of years as their priests had the pick of the litter from the altar boys. It's a naive and impossible goal that the people who run and profit from christianity have no intention of reaching but they seek to control you by convincing you to strive for it. There is no difference between this mentality and radical Islam except in Islam they kill you for the same things in christianity they just shame you and seek to ruin your life for. A fundamentalist by any other name...

[Wales2004]

Of course I disagree because it implies that they are all motivated by sex. There are men who care nothing about it or who are perfectly fine with their wives. The main vice of some men who are looking to profit from Christianity is money and possibly power. That's probably no different from some of the gangsters depicted in movies or shows who are devoted family men.

I've gone to churches where the minister was up to no good, but I've never been in one where the minister sought to ruin anyone's life.....especially not for doing what he was doing. That sort of thing tends to be more prevalent when a minister is way OTT and bordering on cultish. It happens but I would guess it's more the exception and not the norm and maybe it's a denominational thing as well.

What I've seen more commonly is the minister who skips over certain scriptures that convict him in some way. There was one who would not speak of adultery ever because he was married to a woman with whom he'd had an extramarital affair. I used to work in a church office and my wide eyed innocence was robbed in ways I could never have imagined. But I don't bame Christianity or any religion for that. We human beings can be pieces of work.