But Liz and Eve are still related so Chad and Whitney are still related even if Chad is Liz's.

Maybe Whitney isn't Eve's

I hate Chris and Sheridan together; they are so BORING and her acting is atrocious. After 6 1/2 years McKenzie Westmore is still a horrible actress. Adrian Wilson is pretty bad too but he is a newcomer to the business so hopefully he'll grow with time. As for him being associated with David Hastings, I'm kind of ambivalent about the whole thing. I hated Grace so much and was happy she left with David, so if this is a sign that she may be returning I'm not a happy camper, unless they are recasting the role of Grace.

But Liz and Eve are still related so Chad and Whitney are still related even if Chad is Liz's.

Oh I know but its still not as icky. Well then again we are talking about Divins here and that means it still is icky. Oh well you get the picture .

I think MW was good at one point, but somewhere around the Diana time period she got bad. And it's only gotten worse since Galen left.

Wow long post but that is why this secret really isn't lame. It makes a whole lot of sense and cleans up a huge mess story-wise. This should be interesting and I hope it turns out like I think it will.

Thanks for the info. If it plays out like you suggest it could give Amelia Marshall something to play- finally- which will be awesome because she kicks ass, with the possible benefit of giving Liz a better motive for hating Eve. There's just something about Twisting Chad's paternity that bothers me. I think I'm just over the Twist since Rachel came back from the dead. Plus I'm anti-Chad/Whitney, so anything that pushes them together isn't cool with me (I can just imagine the dialogue- "I knew in my heart you weren't my sister, Whit..."). And it's not like this makes Chad any less disgusting.

Then there's the fact that it would reopen the Julian/Eve "Where's Our Son?" storyline. But I suppose if that's the only way the writers know to keep them frontburner I can deal with that. They're more entertaining on the frontburner than the stupid Bennetts.

About Westmore- I don't think she's a bad actress. I think she's lazy, which is worse.

So then, who killed Julian? Isn't that supposed to play out?

Well, KR, the truth is nobody killed Julian. Julian faked his death and Ben Masters is still very much a part of the show.

I think that somehow plays into it KR because I beleive NBC.com said Thursday that it is revealed who shot Julian and poisoned and stabbed Alistair. I think that means that Liz did it. Thursday and Friday will be kinda huge for Passions. They are revealing the truth about 3 of their attempted murder mysteries and a major secret about Liz and Alistair that makes you feel better about Julian's character and will maybe lead to negating the incest. I know its kinda weird because the incest story has been back burnered but Passions did say that Chad (ugh) and Whitney would be big in Spring so maybe this is where it starts. It certainly would be better if they came back not being siblings. Either way, I love that Passions is tying up some loose ends.

Yeah I remember that too but I think the whole suicide thing (which I beleive is a trick) and her asking him to be her mistress is a bit much. I will see how it plays out but I just hope Passions doesn't push it too far. She is becoming way too much like Al. The whole "who cares if you are married you can still have sex with me" angle is icky and so Alistair but, then again, SOD said she would be becoming more and more like her husband. My only problem is why isn't she using her power to get Jane back or get to Gwen and Rebecca? That should be the first things she does instead of all this. Oh well I like the story I just hope it doesn't go overboard or get botched up.

As for Lix, I don't think that is the secret. I think the secret is (and this is my theory and it sounds right) that Chad is her son with Al and that she knew that fact much like Alistair did and used it as another thing to mess with Eve and Julian. I think that the memories Julian had were true and that he did have sex with her but that it was mutual since Liz may have been jealous og her sister and always wants what she has. Bascially, Liz probably knew Chad was hers but let it go because her ultimate go is to destroy her sister and her happiness and that means destroying Julian too. We know Alistair switched some lab tests and I think Kay and Simone screwed around with some too and that is why I never bought the whole incest thing. Alistair and Liz were probably in it together and she gave up her kid to him to use to destroy Eve but probably regretted later not knowing her son and that is why she is afraid it will come out since her son would hate her and she would lose her ultimate chance at revenge on Eve. Wow long post but that is why this secret really isn't lame. It makes a whole lot of sense and cleans up a huge mess story-wise. This should be interesting and I hope it turns out like I think it will.

THen Liz is a damn good actress in conveying grief over never being able to have children! lol...Damn, WHAT A !@#$%^&*]! lol. Of course, she was raped so that does make her sympathetic...I agree, it will be a good story. I fear the soap and non-soap media might go after JER for undoing the Chad/Whitney incest thing that put PASSIONS on the map again after Timmy's death. It was heralded as daring and added to the guilty pleasure factor. (Of course, it's hard to believe so many in the media fell for that with Divins' portrayal...!!!)

I do like that Julian's no longer a rapist. Even though he was a bastard before, I never would have believed he could rape.

I hate Chris and Sheridan together; they are so BORING and her acting is atrocious. After 6 1/2 years McKenzie Westmore is still a horrible actress. Adrian Wilson is pretty bad too but he is a newcomer to the business so hopefully he'll grow with time. As for him being associated with David Hastings, I'm kind of ambivalent about the whole thing. I hated Grace so much and was happy she left with David, so if this is a sign that she may be returning I'm not a happy camper, unless they are recasting the role of Grace.

Hey, Dana Sparks (Grace) ROCKED THE CASBA, MAN!! I hope she does return. Especially if we good a good vs. evil showdown again. (Don't forget her amazing powers for goodness).

And as for the Chris thing, hopefully Luis gets jealous of Chris after his 'big reveal' as being alive, won't want to fight another man for Sheridan and just kills him. I'm sure NONE of the viewers would hold it against him.

Thanks for the info. If it plays out like you suggest it could give Amelia Marshall something to play- finally- which will be awesome because she kicks ass, with the possible benefit of giving Liz a better motive for hating Eve. There's just something about Twisting Chad's paternity that bothers me. I think I'm just over the Twist since Rachel came back from the dead. Plus I'm anti-Chad/Whitney, so anything that pushes them together isn't cool with me (I can just imagine the dialogue- "I knew in my heart you weren't my sister, Whit..."). And it's not like this makes Chad any less disgusting.

Then there's the fact that it would reopen the Julian/Eve "Where's Our Son?" storyline. But I suppose if that's the only way the writers know to keep them frontburner I can deal with that. They're more entertaining on the frontburner than the stupid Bennetts.

About Westmore- I don't think she's a bad actress. I think she's lazy, which is worse.

Co-sign on McKenzie Westmore. She's been better. But it's ridiculous how she acted when she thought Chris was a cold-blooded killer working for Alistair...!!! And we mustn't forget the scene when she found an intruder in the library..WtF?!

Yeah Grace did rock. I didn't like her at first but she grew on me and I loved her in the supernatural stuff. I will never understand why Passions dropped her.

As for MW, I do think its laziness and I think she gets lazy with other pairings besides Shuis. That is when her acting always seems worse. I think she knows the audience hates any other pairing so she decides not to put effort in. I am sure she doesn't hate her screen partner but I just think she knows Shuis will always be the end result so why bother. Sometimes I think that Passions tells her to act bad while in other pairings to make Shuis look better. I already know that they write the other pairings bad to make Shuis look better so it would not be a stretch to imagine them telling MW to phone it in even worse then usual. She was very good at one point but right now her best acting is few and far between. She always does pretty good with the veteren actors and with Galen IMO. Its with Chris and Antonio that she has been alot worse.

Oh and I just read the actual SOD article-Liz shot Julian, poisoned Al's cigar, and was the mystery person Eve fought with that tried to smother him. It says nowhere that she was the one who stabbed him so that may have been someone else so that mystery still appears unsolved. It also talks about the reveal of Al raping her and not Julian but it doesn't explain why she said Julian did and why Julian had those memories (I think he did haev sex with her but it was mutual) and ti doesn't metnion anything about negating the incest thing although I think that is where they are going with this. It does interesting though.

Well, KR, the truth is nobody killed Julian. Julian faked his death and Ben Masters is still very much a part of the show.

THen Liz is a damn good actress in conveying grief over never being able to have children! lol...Damn, WHAT A BITCH! lol. Of course, she was raped so that does make her sympathetic...I agree, it will be a good story. I fear the soap and non-soap media might go after JER for undoing the Chad/Whitney incest thing that put PASSIONS on the map again after Timmy's death. It was heralded as daring and added to the guilty pleasure factor. (Of course, it's hard to believe so many in the media fell for that with Divins' portrayal...!!!)

I do like that Julian's no longer a rapist. Even though he was a bastard before, I never would have believed he could rape.

Hey, Dana Sparks (Grace) ROCKED THE CASBA, MAN!! I hope she does return. Especially if we good a good vs. evil showdown again. (Don't forget her amazing powers for goodness).

And as for the Chris thing, hopefully Luis gets jealous of Chris after his 'big reveal' as being alive, won't want to fight another man for Sheridan and just kills him. I'm sure NONE of the viewers would hold it against him.

Co-sign on McKenzie Westmore. She's been better. But it's ridiculous how she acted when she thought Chris was a cold-blooded killer working for Alistair...!!! And we mustn't forget the scene when she found an intruder in the library..WtF?!

OMG she was horrible in that scene and really has been horrible in everything she has done this year. Her last good acting was in that scene with Luis's "ghost" back in November. That scene was very good which kinda supports my Shuis theory.

Chris needs to be ANTONIO.

Make him Antonio.

I dunno how he got the kid, but he should be Antonio. Same, stupid, obsessed Antonio who thinks he now has a chance with Sheridan.

They are just wasting Chris. He should be Antonio, and have a one night stand with Gwen that could turn to something more.

Thanks for the info. If it plays out like you suggest it could give Amelia Marshall something to play- finally- which will be awesome because she kicks ass, with the possible benefit of giving Liz a better motive for hating Eve. There's just something about Twisting Chad's paternity that bothers me. I think I'm just over the Twist since Rachel came back from the dead. Plus I'm anti-Chad/Whitney, so anything that pushes them together isn't cool with me (I can just imagine the dialogue- "I knew in my heart you weren't my sister, Whit..."). And it's not like this makes Chad any less disgusting.

Amen.

Nothing will erase that Crapney slept together WILLINGLY WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SIBLINGS.

That can't be erased.

Can't be re-written.

Can't be glossed over by the ' we weren't siblings in our hearts' bullshit.

Then there's the fact that it would reopen the Julian/Eve "Where's Our Son?" storyline. But I suppose if that's the only way the writers know to keep them frontburner I can deal with that. They're more entertaining on the frontburner than the stupid Bennetts.

You know I love Evian, so I totally want them frontburner.

As for Lix, I don't think that is the secret. I think the secret is (and this is my theory and it sounds right) that Chad is her son with Al and that she knew that fact much like Alistair did and used it as another thing to mess with Eve and Julian. I think that the memories Julian had were true and that he did have sex with her but that it was mutual since Liz may have been jealous og her sister and always wants what she has. Bascially, Liz probably knew Chad was hers but let it go because her ultimate go is to destroy her sister and her happiness and that means destroying Julian too. We know Alistair switched some lab tests and I think Kay and Simone screwed around with some too and that is why I never bought the whole incest thing. Alistair and Liz were probably in it together and she gave up her kid to him to use to destroy Eve but probably regretted later not knowing her son and that is why she is afraid it will come out since her son would hate her and she would lose her ultimate chance at revenge on Eve. Wow long post but that is why this secret really isn't lame. It makes a whole lot of sense and cleans up a huge mess story-wise. This should be interesting and I hope it turns out like I think it will.

I agree that I believe Lizzard, if Incest Freak IS her son, KNEW ALL ALONG. I believe her obsession with Eve meant that she'd sacrifice her own child in order to hurt Eve. I don't think she gives a rat's ass about Chud, and will keep up the pretense until it's revealed, which she'll never do on her own.

Well, KR, the truth is nobody killed Julian. Julian faked his death and Ben Masters is still very much a part of the show.

No one likes a smart ass, smart ass!

Yeah Grace did rock. I didn't like her at first but she grew on me and I loved her in the supernatural stuff. I will never understand why Passions dropped her.

As for MW, I do think its laziness and I think she gets lazy with other pairings besides Shuis. That is when her acting always seems worse. I think she knows the audience hates any other pairing so she decides not to put effort in. I am sure she doesn't hate her screen partner but I just think she knows Shuis will always be the end result so why bother. Sometimes I think that Passions tells her to act bad while in other pairings to make Shuis look better. I already know that they write the other pairings bad to make Shuis look better so it would not be a stretch to imagine them telling MW to phone it in even worse then usual. She was very good at one point but right now her best acting is few and far between. She always does pretty good with the veteren actors and with Galen IMO. Its with Chris and Antonio that she has been alot worse.

Oh and I just read the actual SOD article-Liz shot Julian, poisoned Al's cigar, and was the mystery person Eve fought with that tried to smother him. It says nowhere that she was the one who stabbed him so that may have been someone else so that mystery still appears unsolved. It also talks about the reveal of Al raping her and not Julian but it doesn't explain why she said Julian did and why Julian had those memories (I think he did haev sex with her but it was mutual) and ti doesn't metnion anything about negating the incest thing although I think that is where they are going with this. It does interesting though.

OMG she was horrible in that scene and really has been horrible in everything she has done this year. Her last good acting was in that scene with Luis's "ghost" back in November. That scene was very good which kinda supports my Shuis theory.

Oh cool! But we know there were two unknown "strangers" in black...if Liz was the one in the living room, who was in the library?!

No one likes a smart ass, smart ass!

Hey, you're the one who's been against new PASSIONS in place of the classic stuff. I wasn't sure how long ago you'd stopped watching.

Oy.

Theresa needs to do mankind a favor and follow through on her latest suicide attempt.

Theresa needs to do mankind a favor and follow through on her latest suicide attempt.

That's my girl you're talkin' about!!

Now take it back. Take it back, I said!!

Theresa needs to be locked up with Norma and Edna, anybody who wants to be someone's mistress and then attempt to leave her children motherless when he refuses...needs serious help. I hate her so much right now. Anyway, I can't say that I'm surprised Chris is tied to David Hastings...I always knew there was something not right about him. I hope when Luis comes back, Chris leaves the show for good.

Theresa needs to do mankind a favor and follow through on her latest suicide attempt.

You better take that back about my Theresa

Too bad you won't get you wish-getting rid of her is not that easy .