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AMC: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 Discussion Thread

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I don't hear Ryan and JY sounding the same at all. Strange! I like Zach and Lea and think they are sexy together. She exudes sex appeal. When Debbi dons the curly hair I swoonwub.png

Aj's reaction to JR was natural considering what he knows plus I assume there are those who have bad-mouthed JR to him. JR was not totally a bad dad, though. He made plenty of mistakes but overall he wasn't so bad(for a soap dad).

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I agree with some hogging the airtime while some stay in the backburner, per se. I do think that with incorporating Colby and Dimitri and Susan Lucci working things out this month, we will start to see rotating characters with alternate days in their storylines. I am sure those kinks can be worked out with the writing and development of other characters that are missing in action.

Let's hope that PP and Ginger Smith don't take the show in the direction of ABC did the last few years of the ABC run. Only time will tell.

I hope so. Maybe I'm still in caution mode because of ABC. I'll give more time to see what kind of storie and airtime others get that aren't the 4 teens.

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Opal meeting Evelyn and Bramwell Hall, damn, there goes any chance that Evelyn is really Kelly. Super dissapointed, I was really hoping for that twist. It would have given Brooke a friend/family member on canvas.

On that note, Julia is looking great in these epsiodes. Kudos to the costumer for giving he really good looking high-end clothese this go around. Brooke at the end of ABC was wearing a lot of middle-america ready to wear knits. These glamourous dresses are very becoming and more in character for Brooke. Julia Barr is still such a beautiful woman.



I am not loving the fact that I have not see Dr. Joe or Adam in a while. Neither has had substantive scenes. I am checking into this thing for those guys, not Pete/Celia.

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Well, I think AMC may be more the exception to the rule because at its best they had compelling teens/young adult stories. Erica/Tara and the Brents, Liza/Tad/Jesse/Jenny/Greg and Angie, Julie/Noah/Hayley/Mateo, Greenlee/Leo/Bianca and so on. Hell I think one of the main downfalls of the last few years was that there were no more compelling teen/young adult stories.

Right now I think the show is having to balance a few different things. They are having to work around different schedules and they seem to still be casting. The teen storylines and the sex trafficking storyline are the one with the main characters in place. I also think that they are trying to get certain characters into place for the real storylines. I think with Brooke they have her set up at Chandler. Now for her storyline to move forward they need the other Chandlers back in the fold. JR needs to get out of the hospital along with Dixie and Colby coming back. Pete and Celia need to be at a certain stage for whatever is going to happen with this guardian/Evelyn situation. AJ/Miranda are being set up for whatever drama is about to come into their lives from their parents and schoolmates.

I am enjoying Zach right now. He is going back to who his character was when he first came on the show. I liked that character more than the AMC version of Sonny Corinthos he seemed to have become in later years. I remember TK described Zach when he first came on the show as sort of like Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights. He is a little more crude but considering the new format it still fits the character.

Outside of JennyGregJessieAngie you mentioned I found nothing of the others compelling. Especially the invasion of the Santos clan. Thank you God Bra and her family are gone.

I liked Bianca because she was an old soul. Never had any use for either Laura 2.0. What an insult to Brooke's original beloved daughter. Never thought of Leo as a 'teen' character.

For me the downfall, was the lack of AMC in favor of every ABC show being some variation of who Frons's favorites were. Show me the adult characters I've watched for years with character driven stories and I wouldn't even notice teens weren't onscreen.

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I loved Debbi's hair with the reunion train station/shack episode. Down but up a little too. Thankfully the hair dept. did better with her hair today.

I miss the wavy hair she was wearing before she went blind on ABC. That was my favourite look. Then she went blind, and they stopped doing Debbi's hair. As if now that she was so blind, she was really going to let herself go.

Not loving Ms. Lea Marquez either. So far my list of "dump" characters are: Lea, Celia, Jane.

What the hell is Jesse screaming about a Federal case for in Jane's Addiction? Shouldn't he be escorting Lea somewhere private? Who knows who is listening-in. Who knows who may tip off the traffickers?

This smells like a set limitation issue.

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The overall sound of the show is really lacking. The mircophones are picking-up an echo. The music cues are really poor and do not add much the the scene. The hospital scene between JR/AJ should have been better scored. It could have been a really break-out, memorable moment, with some tighter shots, and dramatic cues. The writing was there. everything else was not.

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I started watching AMC in 1994 and I fell in love with the show because of the 20-something stories. What hooked me was Julia and Noah, then Hayley and Mateo falling in love. I watched Bobby, Anita, Kelsey and Kevin, but the pull for me were the twenty-somethings. And I sort of miss that right now. We have the teens (AJ/Miranda) and we have the adults (Brooke, Dixie, Adam, et. al), but what's missing for me is that middle. Pete and Celia really don't interest me at all. It seems like they're going in circles for now, but I am assuming things will pick up soon.

The sex-trafficking storyline is difficult for me to watch, but I do find it compelling in a way. I hope Cassandra gets found soon, but I have this feeling things are going to get worse before they get better.

I liked Hayley that was it. Couldn't stomach any of Bra's clan and Noah was a bore to me.

We 'have' adults but to me - right now - they're in name only. I see them in the opening but the actual show - not so much. I'm going to give it time because it's kind of a knee jerk reaction from years of ABC Frons trauma. But, especially being a Brooke fan, where a 30 yr vet was either marginalized or written OOC because the HW hated Julia or she was just off the show one day with nary a word in the story I get very anxious when I see her back and having scenes where all she does is ask how Celia's (a character I don't have any real caring for yet) dates are going. I'm flashing back to ABC with that garbage. That one day where Brooke's only scene was to visit Celia for 10 seconds to hear how 'happy' Celia?? Let's just say wasn't a happy camper.

I'm interested in interesting characters. Characters I get to know and aren't predesignated as the 'stars' or 'the couple' so whether they're 20 something or not doesn't really matter.

Teens lack life experience. They're usually there because someone in charge thinks that's the ticket to get new viewers - sorry, but wrong. And they're usually played by actors with little experience. And all of that breeds resentment in me when I know there's very little airtime to be shared and a large portion is being taken up by them instead of characters I've loved and watched played by stellar actors for 30 plus yrs.

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I miss the wavy hair she was wearing before she went blind on ABC. That was my favourite look. Then she went blind, and they stopped doing Debbi's hair. As if now that she was so blind, she was really going to let herself go.

Not loving Ms. Lea Marquez either. So far my list of "dump" characters are: Lea, Celia, Jane.

What the hell is Jesse screaming about a Federal case for in Jane's Addiction? Shouldn't he be escorting Lea somewhere private? Who knows who is listening-in. Who knows who may tip off the traffickers?

This smells like a set limitation issue.

I'm guessing Jane may be a future love interest for Bianca so I'm okay with her. Celia? Well, I did get a little excited today with the tease that Evelyn might send her offscreen for months in Europe. Lea? I could do without her. I don't think Zach needs a love interest as they don't seem to have airtime to give to established couples' romances like Brooke and Adam. And isn't Kendall making an appearance soon?

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I started watching AMC in 1994 and I fell in love with the show because of the 20-something stories. What hooked me was Julia and Noah, then Hayley and Mateo falling in love. I watched Bobby, Anita, Kelsey and Kevin, but the pull for me were the twenty-somethings. And I sort of miss that right now. We have the teens (AJ/Miranda) and we have the adults (Brooke, Dixie, Adam, et. al), but what's missing for me is that middle. Pete and Celia really don't interest me at all. It seems like they're going in circles for now, but I am assuming things will pick up soon.

Well, I think AMC may be more the exception to the rule because at its best they had compelling teens/young adult stories. Erica/Tara and the Brents, Liza/Tad/Jesse/Jenny/Greg and Angie, Julie/Noah/Hayley/Mateo, Greenlee/Leo/Bianca and so on. Hell I think one of the main downfalls of the last few years was that there were no more compelling teen/young adult stories.

I completely agree with this- I started watching in late 1993 at the height of SMG Kendall's reign of terror and she was what kept my 2nd grade self hooked. Of course Erica was part of that toot. Loved early 20s characters like Noah/Julia & Hayley, liked Kelsey/Kevin and hardcore shipped Leo/Greenlee. They had their legacy characters for the next few younger sets in Tim, Amanda, Jamie, JR, Edmunds & Maria's kids etc and somehow all of that was bungled horribly. I pretty much tuned out in college around 2006 and one of the main reasons was that I couldn't stand the younger characters (and I hated how the vets were used but that's another story). The show name lends itself to the idea that their should always be an up and coming generation mixing it up with each other and the vets. I applaud what these writers are trying to do- its not perfect yet but I think its the closest thing to classic AMC that we've had in a very long time.

That said, we need a day off from AJ & Miranda- they are now just as overexposed as Pelia and the OLTL younger set but getting a lot less hate for it. Also, we need to start expressing out hatred of the guitar riff- PP seems open to fan input and that needs to go.

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I completely agree with this- I started watching in late 1993 at the height of SMG Kendall's reign of terror and she was what kept my 2nd grade self hooked. Of course Erica was part of that toot. Loved early 20s characters like Noah/Julia & Hayley, liked Kelsey/Kevin and hardcore shipped Leo/Greenlee. They had their legacy characters for the next few younger sets in Tim, Amanda, Jamie, JR, Edmunds & Maria's kids etc and somehow all of that was bungled horribly. I pretty much tuned out in college around 2006 and one of the main reasons was that I couldn't stand the younger characters (and I hated how the vets were used but that's another story). The show name lends itself to the idea that their should always be an up and coming generation mixing it up with each other and the vets. I applaud what these writers are trying to do- its not perfect yet but I think its the closest thing to classic AMC that we've had in a very long time.

That said, we need a day off from AJ & Miranda- they are now just as overexposed as Pelia and the OLTL younger set but getting a lot less hate for it. Also, we need to start expressing out hatred of the guitar riff- PP seems open to fan input and that needs to go.

The show is still missing the HUGE 30 Something actors to fill in the age demographic gap, a very critical gap for advertisers. There are things missing in the show but with Colby, Erica (Susan meeting with PP this month), Dimitri and others needed to come back to fill in the gaps for the age demos. It does not matter what the writers are trying to do, if they can't capture certain age demos for advertisers, then writing is going to have to change. What worked for Classic AMC is not going to make it in today's 2013 market for advertisers in key age demos. That is the reality of programming these days. If PP cannot attract certain age demos, the show will find itself in trouble with advertisers. and that concerns me.

I completely agree with this- I started watching in late 1993 at the height of SMG Kendall's reign of terror and she was what kept my 2nd grade self hooked. Of course Erica was part of that toot. Loved early 20s characters like Noah/Julia & Hayley, liked Kelsey/Kevin and hardcore shipped Leo/Greenlee. They had their legacy characters for the next few younger sets in Tim, Amanda, Jamie, JR, Edmunds & Maria's kids etc and somehow all of that was bungled horribly. I pretty much tuned out in college around 2006 and one of the main reasons was that I couldn't stand the younger characters (and I hated how the vets were used but that's another story). The show name lends itself to the idea that their should always be an up and coming generation mixing it up with each other and the vets. I applaud what these writers are trying to do- its not perfect yet but I think its the closest thing to classic AMC that we've had in a very long time.

That said, we need a day off from AJ & Miranda- they are now just as overexposed as Pelia and the OLTL younger set but getting a lot less hate for it. Also, we need to start expressing out hatred of the guitar riff- PP seems open to fan input and that needs to go.

The show is still missing the HUGE 30 Something actors to fill in the age demographic gap, a very critical gap for advertisers. There are things missing in the show but with Colby, Erica (Susan meeting with PP this month), Dimitri and others needed to come back to fill in the gaps for the age demos. It does not matter what the writers are trying to do, if they can't capture certain age demos for advertisers, then writing is going to have to change. What worked for Classic AMC is not going to make it in today's 2013 market for advertisers in key age demos. That is the reality of programming these days. If PP cannot attract certain age demos, the show will find itself in trouble with advertisers. and that concerns me.

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I hope so. Maybe I'm still in caution mode because of ABC. I'll give more time to see what kind of storie and airtime others get that aren't the 4 teens.

But the fact remains that the key age demo for advertisers is 18-49 set.

Vincent Irizarry is now 53 years old and showing some graying of hair. His age is over the key age demo for advertisers. Darnell and Debbi are well into their 50's now with Darnell being 58 years old and Debbi being 56 years old (57 in September) so the older core cast is already over the age demo for advertisers.

There came time to fast age AJ, Miranda and maybe a change in direction of the older characters will have to become necessary more in a supporting role for the teen/20 set as was done in Classic AMC.

We need to give the show time and opportunity to fix things. But the age demo for advertisers is crucial to the shows success and longevity.

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