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10 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'm kinda talked out about it as I went over Max's reintroduction a while back in here when I watched this stuff. Shouldn't be too far back in the thread lol. JDP is so dynamic and vibrant at this point as opposed to Nicholas Walker that I am enjoying having him back immensely. I like the story turn with this renewed feud so far much more than I liked NW's bizarre, effete "Max Buchanan" and Asa's inexplicable devotion to him even after learning they weren't blood. I think Max and Asa's love/hate relationship is a unique throughline in some ways, but it is tedious that they kept revisiting this same well over and over particularly in the JFP era.

I tried to keep up with some previous posts but I find it difficult to search through on mobile, I re-read often as this is my favorite soap anyway haha

JDP is absolutely killing it though, Asa depressed back in Llanview is yawn worthy.

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Up to December 21th, 1992

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"Die, ASA, DIE!"

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Oh my GOD! Guys, I don't know where to start. These past few episodes have been WILD. Probably the wildest of the entire year. 1992 is ending with a BANG.

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If you thought cold, plotting Blair was dangerous, you haven't seen what the triggered, angry one is. Dorian opened Pandora's box... taking away Addie from Blair was the last straw that made Blair go to the DARK side completely. Addie was the one thing keeping her empathy in check. With her gone... now Blair has absolutely NOTHING more to lose. And what followed were some of the best moments of the entire YEAR! Blair taunting Asa... verbally assaulting him... basically to death. Leaving him on the ground begging. She was vicious, brutal and she used the truth to try and finish him off. YES, I hate you. Yes, you disgust me. YOU ARE AN OLD UGLY MAN. YES, I f-cked MAX on OUR WEDDING DAY. Over MY WEDDING DRESS. YOU all need to see this scene. Mia Korf is GIVING he best.

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In another corner of Llanview... at "The Banner", Sloan surprised Viki with a manipulative Christmas present - a framed picture of herself in her youth. Wanting to remind her of the carefree and unburdened woman she used to be and offering her a similar existence. Viki... after protesting too much... gave in and they both started kissing. Jesus, Viki... Clint's aftershave is still lingering in the air, he's been gone for like a day... and you are already kissing Sloan. Dorian Lord may turn out to be right - Adulteress is not that far from reality. But listen... there was a bigger reason Sloan was there. A very haunting twist that made me love this show so much more, because I love organic moments like this. And that brings me to...

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Bo... standing on the edge of the building, remembering Sarah... and getting ready to jump. Like a guardian angel, Nora Gannon (who I remember you guys told me would be very important to him) came in the right moment, seeing all the letters he had written, rushing to "The Banner" to look for him. There she found Viki and Sloan who were salivating over each other and told them about what she saw at Bo's place. Realizing what was about to happen, Viki, Sloan and Nora ran to Bo's office which was LOCKED. Sloan managed to break the door and get in... Well... I guess the universe had a reason of keeping Sloan in the building all night long. It's that type of symbiosis between situations and characters that I treasure in soaps.

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So for the final cliffhanger... we had Sloan trying to reason with Bo, standing next to him talking to him man-to-man and very lightly manipulating him in order for him to get back inside. But just as he was having some success, Bo slipped and was left hanging... with only Sloan's hand holding him. Now I think I know where this is going to - either Sloan will save him and that will make Clint learn that he was with Viki AGAIN deep into the night at The Banner. Because how WILL THEY HIDE this fact... or Sloan will get hurt in the process which will make Viki all that more willing to pick him instead of Clint. We all know she loves to nurture people back to health. Maybe even both scenarios will happen. But I can just sense and feel how they'll use this situation to further split Clint and Viki.

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IN GENERAL- Full of drama, suspense, darkness and themes that are very triggering, that's why I'm keeping my discussion about Bo (suicide, PTSD) at a minimum and won't say anything more than what I already did... other than repeat that Robert S. Woods's performance is impressive. But keep in mind when you are watching the late December 1992 episodes - watch carefully because the show is very triggering in many ways. If you feel like you can't take it - stop watching and skip forward. It's too much at times. Some could even say it's trauma porn. I hope they will visit lighter places in 1993.

P.S. Oh... I almost forgot - Luna is having her premonition moments that something bad is going to happen to Max. Well.. with Blair on the loose now... I guess she might be right.

Overall -  10+/10 - It is almost too dark... and too disturbing... but I can't give it less than a perfect 10, because there was not a SECOND that I was not on the edge of my seat!

 

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Blair leaves Asa to DIE.

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I can’t wait to see those Mia Korf scenes.

I love your very organized reviews.

I have never seen the Bo scenes but often forget as they aren’t discussed often in the grander history of the show, as far as I know, barely mentioned on air.

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Thanks @Maxim

Amazing how much Mia looks like Elaine Princi in those scenes.

Blair listing out every lie she told all seems a bit rushed but I prefer it to a story dragging out the beats. You almost feel sorry for Asa as he cared about Blair in his own Asa way, but Asa's idea of "caring" is extremely damaging.

I'm not a big fan of the whole trope of mwa-ha-haing as someone is trying to get their pills, but Mia does a great job and I did enjoy the last moment where she gave him her birth control.

I'm sure Phil Carey crawling all over the floor made some blooper reels.

I appreciate all the time and effort on your part but if you ever need to step away from so much dark material, as plenty more is on the way, I'm sure we will all understand.

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1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

I appreciate all the time and effort on your part but if you ever need to step away from so much dark material, as plenty more is on the way, I'm sure we will all understand.

It’s incredibly kind of you to warn me ahead... about more dark material coming up... thank you. The reality is... Bo's storyline is too much at times... How on Earth were they thinking this is a good idea to air in the weeks before Christmas? The last thing people want to see on their screen is a man in this condition just before the Holidays. My father lost his best friend to suicide earlier this year, and I was there for him every single day on the phone, giving my support whenever I could. So all of this brings back too many memories from that time, and I want to move forward. However... I’m ready to endure pretty much anything just to find out what happens with Viki and Sloan. They have truly captured my heart and soul.

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4 hours ago, soapfave06 said:

I love your very organized reviews.

Hahaha, thank you... I think it's over the top at times, especially the flamingo on the top, but I just have fun making it.

I'm also excited for you to catch up to these episodes in the future. You have the entire Blair arc ahead of you and I'm jealous!!!!

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11 minutes ago, Maxim said:

It’s incredibly kind of you to warn me ahead... about more dark material coming up... thank you. The reality is... Bo's storyline is too much at times... How on Earth were they thinking this is a good idea to air in the weeks before Christmas? The last thing people want to see on their screen is a man in this condition just before the Holidays. My father lost his best friend to suicide earlier this year, and I was there for him every single day on the phone, giving my support whenever I could. So all of this brings back too many memories from that time, and I want to move forward. However... I’m ready to endure pretty much anything just to find out what happens with Viki and Sloan. They have truly captured my heart and soul.

I'm so glad you were there for him. Kudos for even being able to watch these moments.

Not to change the subject too much, but the part where Sloan gave Viki a photo of herself in younger years to reconnect with happier times - it's interesting as that is his idea of Viki, rather than the reality. Viki was never happier. I suppose Viki and Sloan have such a passionate relationship because they can make each other what they need them to be, not having any awareness of who they actually were.

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28 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I'm so glad you were there for him. Kudos for even being able to watch these moments.

Not to change the subject too much, but the part where Sloan gave Viki a photo of herself in younger years to reconnect with happier times - it's interesting as that is his idea of Viki, rather than the reality. Viki was never happier. I suppose Viki and Sloan have such a passionate relationship because they can make each other what they need them to be, not having any awareness of who they actually were.

I completely agree! Just yesterday, I was thinking the same. It's all part of that initial stage of love... Infatuation, where the illusions and perceptions of the other person are so detached from reality that they resemble a character from a fairytale. I believe that once they take their relationship to the next level or get married... many cracks will begin to surface, and she might end up regretting leaving Clint. Clint may have his flaws, but he is fundamentally a good person. He may not be as clever as Sloan... yet he has a good heart, which I believe is even more valuable than brains. Sloan has the potential to become quite menacing. He likes to control people.

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12 hours ago, soapfave06 said:

I have never seen the Bo scenes but often forget as they aren’t discussed often in the grander history of the show, as far as I know, barely mentioned on air.

That reminds me in 1998 when Bo is trying to kill himself again over Drew's death, Nora completely forgets his past sucidal tendencies and balks at even the thought of it. Thanks JFP! (I hate her lol)

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Up to December 29th, 1992

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"Christmas miracles?"

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Just when I said that the show was almost too dark for Christmas, they turned it around and proved that you can't truly appreciate the LIGHT unless you've experienced DARKNESS first.

P.S. I HAVE ONLY 2 more episodes left from 1992! YEEEY!

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Just imagine Clint's astonishment and disbelief when he returned to find out that Sloan Carpenter was the one who saved his brother Bo's life. Clint, being a true gentleman, expressed his gratitude by saying a simple - "Thank you." to the general. However, he also picked up on all the signs indicating that something was going on that night between Viki and Sloan. When she tried to explain, he was not interested in listening the same old spiel. Later, Viki felt a need to compensate for her actions and she... invited her husband into the bedroom. Based on their reactions the next morning... it was clear that something truly unfortunate occurred that night. In my opinion, either Clint was unable to achieve a proper erection due to his stress over Sloan... or Viki was clearly not enjoying it. That's just speculation on my part. They didn't say what it was. Regardless, something negative happened and their "recovery" of their marriage was once again... impossible.

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But then Cassie and Andrew's Christmas party helped everyone put their problems aside for just one night. Almost every character showed up, except for Alex, Blair, and Leanne (the trio nobody wanted)... Even Asa and Bo made an appearance to see their friends and family. They sang Christmas carols, hoped for fresh starts, and prayed for salvation. We even witnessed Billy Douglas meet the first gay guy he could potentially develop something with - a handsome guy who was inspired by his courage last year and who wanted to reach out. It was so nice to see a gay moment like that, especially considering it was 1992. The little touch of them holding hands for a brief moment was truly special. Even though Billy isn't front and center anymore, I’m glad they haven’t completely forgotten him.

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In the darker part of town, Asa created a REVENGE list. It detailed all the ways he could make Blair and Max pay. He hired a health inspector to shut down Luna and Max's spa, then he threatened Luna's radio station with financial problems, effectively getting her fired. Why is it always Luna who has to suffer because Max decided to put his penis in Blair? Why do women always end up paying for their men’s mistakes? Meanwhile, Blair is like a CAT with nine lives. She’s not about to let anyone take her down. She visited her mother at the institution, and Addie didn’t even recognize her. Now, Blair is hell-bent on taking Asa and Dorian down. We’re on the brink of one of the biggest WARS in the entire show. A nasty old vampire, a scheming witch, and a toxic snake are all out for each other’s blood, and I’m here for it. These kinds of wars are just so much fun to watch.

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Last, but not least... Viki is having trouble living with her choice. Sure, she ended things with Sloan, and yes, she slept with Clint... but... she can't just sit back and watch Sloan move on. He's as manipulative as ever, intentionally meeting Dorian to get under Viki's skin. I mean, come on - Sloan is basically THE BROOKE of this show. That's exactly the kind of move The Slut From The Valley would pull. He’s all smiles and flirty with Dorian, while Viki is over there biting her lips in jealousy. Plus, he went to see Clint and pulled off what I like to call a "psychological attack". Just wait and see. That’s how you PLAY them, my friend. It's in the clip of the day section.

P.S. Oh, and I nearly forgot - Renee was the one who saved Asa from “dying” aka angina attack. I have a feeling they’re going to get back together soon. Oh and... Idiotina and Cain broke up again (because Blair casually mentioned in front of Idiotina that Cain might have hooked up with Alex), and this time it’ll probably last a mere 2-3 days at best.

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In general - quite positive 5 episodes... to their standards. And again, incredibly well written. As @DRW50 put it days ago - they are using December to wrap up things... putting little endings and bows on everything.

Overall -  10/10 - 🎀

 

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Sloan vs Clint.

"I'M IN LOVE WITH YOUR WIFE"

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Thanks @Maxim

That was such an interesting scene, as I think a great deal of what Sloan is saying is genuine, but part is also a knife-twist. Beyond the Brooke comparison, it reminds me of something Dorian might do.

I wish the show had explored Sloan/Dorian a little more.

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There were a lot of layers with Sloan, who was originally intended to be a finite romantic spoiler which would ultimately lead back to a Clint/Viki reunion down the road. BTS issues (mostly Clint Ritchie's horrible tractor accident in 1993) delayed this and made the story run longer and end differently.

I do think Sloan was a good if complex man who loved Viki, and I liked him BITD as a viewer (in part because I was so familiar with Roy Thinnes). My opinion as an adult remains out with the jury as I see the material from the start. But what is fascinating upon review of the later years as the Victor saga escalated is how they very, very deliberately paralleled Sloan and Victor Lord even before his exit, in dreams, visions, etc. In addition to his arrival in town and fascination with the 'Great Man' directly leading into what became maybe the most famous story in the show's history, after the Todd Manning rape trial or Karen Wolek. These kind of parallels happen with men and women in real life, these Oedipal or other darker connections, but you rarely see them explicitly play out in soap opera in the text. Other than maybe Another World, with Mac Cory and Iris (20 years before this, in a much more experimental time).

Juxtaposing Sloan and Victor was a very difficult needle for the writing to thread, but they did with a lot of nuance. I remember some scenes near the conclusion of the story in '95 or '96 where Viki, made whole again, comes to terms with how similar Sloan was to her father. I'll have to dig them up again. They were well done and respectful, but it is just somewhere most soaps would never, ever dare go with a 'good' character.

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4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks @Maxim

That was such an interesting scene, as I think a great deal of what Sloan is saying is genuine, but part is also a knife-twist. Beyond the Brooke comparison, it reminds me of something Dorian might do.

I wish the show had explored Sloan/Dorian a little more.

I love how you said it "knife-twist". In Bulgaria we say this is a "psycho-attack". Meaning messing with someone's head. But in English psycho-attack sounds like something absolutely different. 😂

P.S. I'm pressing play on the last two episodes of 1992 now. So excited to wrap the year up. I feel perversly proud of myself to have watched it whole.

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