Everyone said all the same stuff about the LA Move and only 1 person had it right. IMO it's the samething this time around.

It hurts to agree but I think you're right. Jamey last year at height of KISH even worried OLTL was next on chopping block. Errol who I trust just backed AMC is still way over budget AFTER the move. That's what Jamey said on podcast. It's budget woes weren't fixed.

I know. Considering Julie Hanan Carruthers was mismanaging the budget before the move (see the awful dance marathon). Then forgets details like leasing storage space next to the studio for sets. Why would anyone be surprised that the show is still over budget. I think the only way they are going to get there cost in line is to fire her and bring in a new executive producer.

DC were the ONLY people who were right about the LA move? that's not what I remember... I still don't know how one is related to the other...

But oh, god forbid anyone defend OLTL on this board, yet everyone can bash it and talk about how it deserves to be canned? And how they will throw a big party the day it's cancelled?

All My Shadows makes some good points--it's too bad these threads always become flame wars. That said () seriously I think the number of people who bash OLTL over AMC and vice versa are more or less equal--certainly I *don't* see a lot more OLTL bashers than AMC--and OLTL actually has a very large fan presence on here (and yes, I am a fan).

It hurts to agree but I think you're right. Jamey last year at height of KISH even worried OLTL was next on chopping block. Errol who I trust just backed AMC is still way over budget AFTER the move. That's what Jamey said on podcast. It's budget woes weren't fixed.

Right, but (and this sounds hopelessly defensive) one of the reasons for this was the screw up over leasing the proper place for sets, or whatever. SURELY this can be changed by now?? Or will be soon? The other is, I seriously doubt anyone at ABC thought that the budget woes would be fixed so soon--if they're not after a year, then there's trouble, but EVERYONE knows, it's common sense, that when you do a move, at first your budget is gonna increasem just due to dealing with moving issues, settling into a new routine, figuring out what works at your new venue, etc, etc.

DC were the ONLY people who were right about the LA move? that's not what I remember... I still don't know how one is related to the other...

Unless I remember incorrectly Jamey broke the LA move story last year when no one else was discussing it. Which would indicate that Jamey has sources high on the ABC food chain. If someone else was out there saying the same thing before Jamey give me the url link.

The relationship between the budget woes and the LA move is that more than likely he got the information from the same sources.

Also if a manager misses a large detail like make sure proper storage space was rented what other details did Julie forget concerning the LA move that we didn't hear about that cost ABC additional money.

I like AMC, but just because you don't like the message or the messenger doesn't mean it isn't true.

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Of course Jamey knows people, as does Nelson and 90% of soap opera blogers/site runers/etc, and for that matter a good portion of people who just watch soaps end up knowing people who tell them things. Getting contacts isnt a hard thing to do.

And i do think he broke the la move, or at lest confirmed it. There is a good chance he is right about this, but id bet half right. AMC prob is over budget, but is it axe meet amc? doubtful. It prob just means that cuts are coming of some sort. We all know by now that DC like to.. well, lets just say make things seem bigger than they are.

Unless I remember incorrectly Jamey broke the LA move story last year when no one else was discussing it. Which would indicate that Jamey has sources high on the ABC food chain. If someone else was out there saying the same thing before Jamey give me the url link.

The relationship between the budget woes and the LA move is that more than likely he got the information from the same sources.

Also if a manager misses a large detail like make sure proper storage space was rented what other details did Julie forget concerning the LA move that we didn't hear about that cost ABC additional money.

I like AMC, but just because you don't like the message or the messenger doesn't mean it isn't true.

Well I don't like any of these "messengers" and it's all for the same reason: they don't tell us anything. Again, we got more real information from the OP than we get from these fanboys who are more interested with getting the jump on each other and proving how in the know they are. I'm just happy to see that there are still viewers out here capable of critical thinking who realize a few "Lawd have mercys" or blind items don't equal trustworthiness.

It was confirmed AMC was all set to move to CT, but at the last moment decided on LA. I can't remember the reason why.

I remember there was an article in SID about it but I didn't really understand what it was trying to say about why, at the last minute, the CT move didn't happen. Mind you I don't think the person who wrote the SID article understood what they were saying either.

Whenever people come out with statements like this it makes me think a shake up is coming. ATWT is supposedly the lowest cost soap yet it managed to keep more actors on contract than DOOL and AMC. I dislike Goutman, consider him a show killer, but could, rather soon, see him over at AMC. Frons has already raided the writing team and, once the soap press hypes the World finale as 'moving' or something along those lines, Goutman will show up to cut costs and finish the process of killing off the show.

I'd actually take him over JHC hands down. And he has a history with AMC--he made his name being known as one of its best directors.

I know there's a lot of speculation that Goutman will wind up EP-ing AMC or OLTL but he doesn't strike me as the kind of EP Frons would go for (people willing to be glorified figureheads). Goutman seems to need to get heavily involved in the writing.

I know. Considering Julie Hanan Carruthers was mismanaging the budget before the move (see the awful dance marathon). Then forgets details like leasing storage space next to the studio for sets. Why would anyone be surprised that the show is still over budget. I think the only way they are going to get there cost in line is to fire her and bring in a new executive producer.

While defending JHC is a losing battle, I have to question again whether she would be responsible for signing the lease for the storage facility. Is her signature on the lease with the Andrita Studios? I doubt it. Doesn't ABC have entire departments responsible for that kind of thing?

While defending JHC is a losing battle, I have to question again whether she would be responsible for signing the lease for the storage facility. Is her signature on the lease with the Andrita Studios? I doubt it. Doesn't ABC have entire departments responsible for that kind of thing?

It totally is a losing battle, however, I do agree with you. The storage facility fiasco seems less of an All My Children showrunner gaffe and more of an ABC production manager oversight.

However, the whole "let's shoot 300 pointless remote scenes, that could easily be shot on stage, while we're in the middle of a budget crunch" nonsense is definitely a JHC thing.

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Agreed 100% with what R says. I know I keep repeating myself, but still, hasn't this lease thing been remedied for? Aren't most leases--especially for tv work I'd imagine, where many shows could be canceled at any time--only 6 months or so? I know it was an expensive mistake, and an embarassing one, but I don't get how people act like it's a permanent mistake that will drive the show to its doom.

While defending JHC is a losing battle, I have to question again whether she would be responsible for signing the lease for the storage facility. Is her signature on the lease with the Andrita Studios? I doubt it. Doesn't ABC have entire departments responsible for that kind of thing?

Correct.

Unless I remember incorrectly Jamey broke the LA move story last year when no one else was discussing it. Which would indicate that Jamey has sources high on the ABC food chain. If someone else was out there saying the same thing before Jamey give me the url link.

The relationship between the budget woes and the LA move is that more than likely he got the information from the same sources.

Also if a manager misses a large detail like make sure proper storage space was rented what other details did Julie forget concerning the LA move that we didn't hear about that cost ABC additional money.

I like AMC, but just because you don't like the message or the messenger doesn't mean it isn't true.

AMC isn't gonna be canceled because Julie forgot details (though i do worry she's slowly but surely digging it into the ground). It's also a huge leap to have heard a rumour that it's moving coasts and have that reported and come out true and then assume every little mumble is likewise true.

That said, I tried to make it clear that not only was I biased, I also could easily be called out that I'm denial. I just don't think things add up nearly as cleanly as many think they do (and--and I've been an OLTL fan since 1992--I also think the reasons for OLTL probably ending sooner than AMC seem FAR more cut and dry, so I find it ironic that those people argue that point--though again that's my bias).

Call me in denial but I don't fully buy this "OLTL is SOOO under budget and AMC is still SOOO overbudget" stuff. First of all, how do they know? Who releases that info officially? it's all hearsay. And this must mean GH has a MUCH larger budget than AMC (I suspect it has a slightly larger one, but...)

I do think JHC mismanages (and Valentini seems to have a great handle on that aspect of producing). And we know the move caused some issues, forgetting to lease a storage space for sets or something. But by now that must have been remedied--further more ABC would be idiotic to not realize that after a move like that--for the first half year or so the budget will go UP, till things settle, and everything starts finding its place. So I think claiming it's still overbudget and that means it's gonna be canceled next week is bs. If it's still overbudget by Dec, than yeah that prob could cause a prob (though would ABC pay all that for the move just to throw the baby out with the bathwater? Wouldn't they try to downzise the cost drastically first? Of course maybe not--they're not super bright about these things but)

The anniversary cameos and even Julia Barr barely cost the show--I don't buy that having Taylor Miller, who has gone on about wanting to come back and is a no name, for 20 seconds on an anniversary episode, and then ONE show would cause disruption in the budget. Barr undoubtedly cost more but it sounds like she also did it largely as a favour and to give some closure to her character (though I hope she comes bacl)--these aren't Vanessa Marcil type issues where they have to use money to woo them back. Was ANYONE else in the anniversary episode even a somewhat kinda sorta big name??

I also don't buy that flying La Lucci out has caused a huge prob.

I do think the show looks better now that it's moved than you give it credit for, and maybe that cost some (but much of that is simply they have much more room for more expansive sets). And Susan has gone on record talking about the relatively huge salary cut she accepted.

Anyway--I know i'll get in trouble for saying this, and AMC and OLTL are both my soaps, but EVERYONE who has said this, i've noticed, has been OLTL fans, many of whom have even admitted they don't care much for AMC....

Hello Eric. They DID have Kelly Ripa. That is Hayley and She is on Regis and also had her Sitcom which was Hope and Faith. However, The Sitcom is Not on TV anymore. Still, I wouldn't think Kelly would make All My Children that much over Budget. They had Gillian Spencer who was Daisy. I know that She sometimes Writes for maybe Other Soap Operas. However, I still wouldn't think Gillian would make All My Children that much over Budget. Even with Kelly and Gillian Spencer, I still wouldn't think they would be that much over Budget. I would think they still wouldn't be that much over Budget even with Kelly, Gillian Spencer, Julia Barr, Taylor Miller and James Mitchell and Taping from his house and Eden and possibly Taping from her house. I'm not sure, but I think that I have put everybody Extra and haven't Left Anybody Out. Jody

Hi LeClerc, great post. I quite frankly don't get how AMC is "over budget", either. You layed things out really well. I wish Jamey would be more specific, it seems he just says it and that's it. No explanation or anything.

I have to disagree with you about AMC's lighting...I don't think it is bad at all. I think AMC looks the best out of all the soaps, actually. Tied with GH. Both shows look beautiful to me!

Michael Pomarico has been directing so many episodes, your right. IDK about Casey Childs. He directed a few episodes last week, but as of late, If I'm not wrong, we didn't see his name for a while this month (same goes for SW Rebecca Taylor. She used to dominate, but then she hwas MIA for a while, and then just last week I saw her name as the Script Writer.) Anyways, back to Directors, I think Michael Pomarico and Steven Williford direct the most episodes these days, followed by Casey Childs. But it looks like Casey Childs is making a come back, Rebecca Taylor to.lol

I also think the Lighting is much Better than it was. I think one Time that The Young And The Restless was rather dark and I wish there was more Light on There. I was Surprised because It had always had so much Light. Jody

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