Y&R without Eric Braeden will be like The Price is Right without Bob Barker. Look at what happened to TPiR when Bob Barker retired as host. Y&R will decline the same way.

Yup. TGVN is different from all the others. Most of us can't stand the graceless bully Victor has become, but still he is compelling. And Victor is THE icon of Y&R. Dropping him will be as detrimental to the ratings, in its way, as losing Shemar/Rowell was several years ago.

I hope this is just a gambit...but one never knows anymore these days.

mmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmm. ICAM with both y'all.

Regardless of whether we feel the character of "Victor Newman" is damaged beyond repair or not, he is the star of the show. Casual viewers will not recognize the show without him, IMO. And isn't he supposedly a big draw for the straight guy demo? If he leaves, they probably will too.

I'm sorry... but I NEVER considered Braeden to be the star of the show, and nobody I knew considered him that, either (only people I knew on message boards) most everyone I've known considers Jeanne Cooper to be the star of the show, with Braeden being a close second. Straight guy demos? They don't tune in for him, they watch because of Stafford's cleavage (used to be Melody's, and before her, Dickson's... why do you think Melody over the years so rarely wore a brassiere?)It would be nice if Adam could carry the torch... but I have my doubts that Muhney can pull that off. And a replcement villian? PLEASE. My only problem, is that if he's gonna go.... it needs to BE BIG. HUGE. MAJOR LEAGUE. I mean, he needs to go down in the biggest blaze of glory daytime has ever seen. But then again, with Sheffer at the helm, I'd be scared to death they'd have Jack kill him in a fit of grief, cut Colleeen's heart form his body, and take it despondently to her grave and say "Here, sweetie... he didn't need your heart after all."

If it takes Braeden leaving to topple this writing and producing regime at Y&R, I'm all for it!

I'm sorry... but I NEVER considered Braeden to be the star of the show, and nobody I knew considered him that, either (only people I knew on message boards) most everyone I've known considers Jeanne Cooper to be the star of the show, with Braeden being a close second. Straight guy demos? They don't tune in for him, they watch because of Stafford's cleavage (used to be Melody's, and before her, Dickson's... why do you think Melody over the years so rarely wore a brassiere?)It would be nice if Adam could carry the torch... but I have my doubts that Muhney can pull that off. And a replcement villian? PLEASE. My only problem, is that if he's gonna go.... it needs to BE BIG. HUGE. MAJOR LEAGUE. I mean, he needs to go down in the biggest blaze of glory daytime has ever seen. But then again, with Sheffer at the helm, I'd be scared to death they'd have Jack kill him in a fit of grief, cut Colleeen's heart form his body, and take it despondently to her grave and say "Here, sweetie... he didn't need your heart after all."

Many male sport stars have admitted to being huge Y&R fans and Victor tends to be their favourite character. I think Victor Newman's alpha male persona resonates a lot with men, straight men in particular.

Edited September 29, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I agree. I don't think we can underestimate how straight men have at times idolized Victor, although I think that has tapered off in the past few years.

I do agree with alphanguy in that I personally have never seen him as Y&R's lead. I won't miss him if he goes, and I do not find him compelling and I have not in recent years, especially as they have now told us that Victor being abusive is a good thing, and makes him a good man.

WAKE THE F*CK UP MARIA!!!!!

I thought Sony was in charge of contracts, money, etc?

If it takes Braeden leaving to topple this writing and producing regime at Y&R, I'm all for it!

Many male sport stars have admitted to being huge Y&R fans and Victor tends to be their favourite character. I think Victor Newman's alpha male persona resonates a lot with men, straight men in particular.

That's what they SAY.... they don't want the public to know they watch for the TITS... it would make them look like chauvanistic sex maniacs... same reason people say they read playboy for the articles. Even TODAY... if Melody's got a low cut top and no brassiere, my brother is there with BELLS ON. Same wiht Stafford. I think wev'e lost most of the straight male viewership anyway, they'e all now jerking off to internet porn.

Edited September 29, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

That's what they SAY.... they don't want the public to know they watch for the TITS... it would make them look like chauvanistic sex maniacs... same reason people say they read playboy for the articles. Even TODAY... if Melody's got a low cut top and no brassiere, my brother is there with BELLS ON. Same wiht Stafford. I think wev'e lost most of the straight male viewership anyway, they'e all now jerking off to internet porn.

I love you Alphanguy!!!

I think straight guys tune into Y&R to see Victor Newman degrade woman and yes, for the sex appeal of the actresses. I mean the man is how old and he is still getting women pregnant????

Braeden is to Y&R what Lucci is to AMC.

Not that I'd miss EB and his overplayed horrendous character but he'd be sorely missed and I think the ratings would take a nosedive.

If it takes Braeden leaving to topple this writing and producing regime at Y&R, I'm all for it!

I doubt this has anything to do with MAB. Contracts are dealt with Sony and BBJr. I'm not worried. Jess came back. MTS came back. I'm sure EB will be back too.

Braeden is to Y&R what Lucci is to AMC.

Yep.

It's a pure and natural fact: when the average person sees Y&R, their very first thought is "Where's Victor Newman?"

I actually think that the black audience, which once supported Y&R so strongly, could have kept Y&R going even if Braeden finally goes away, but now that Y&R has told them they're worthless, they probably won't bother.

I actually think that the black audience, which once supported Y&R so strongly, could have kept Y&R going even if Braeden finally goes away, but now that Y&R has told them they're worthless, they probably won't bother.

Oh no. We love Victor, too. My people probably liked Victor/Nikki more than Dru. They liked Dru, but they thought she was a little on the hoity-toity/saditty side after she cleaned up.

Did opinions of Dru improve during VR's return stint?

Braeden is to Y&R what Lucci is to AMC.

But the thing is, Walton can EASILY fill that bill, should he leave. Jill IS the only original character, after all. And until around 1990 or so, the show pretty much revolved around Jill. Jill went to work for Jabot, starting dating Jack, then John, that's how the Abbotts were introduced. This show could work without Braeden, and you don't need a MAN to replace him, just bring Jill back to the forefront and let her do the work. INVEST heavily in Jill. And play Katherine off of that, while you can. But Jeanne Cooper is 80, we need to be real... and not depend on her to carry this show 10 years from now. And maybe other would LIKE to see him go, because it free up enough of the budget so the rest of teh cast wouldn't have to take pay cuts.