Members MarkH Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yup. TGVN is different from all the others. Most of us can't stand the graceless bully Victor has become, but still he is compelling. And Victor is THE icon of Y&R. Dropping him will be as detrimental to the ratings, in its way, as losing Shemar/Rowell was several years ago. I hope this is just a gambit...but one never knows anymore these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 I'm sorry... but I NEVER considered Braeden to be the star of the show, and nobody I knew considered him that, either (only people I knew on message boards) most everyone I've known considers Jeanne Cooper to be the star of the show, with Braeden being a close second. Straight guy demos? They don't tune in for him, they watch because of Stafford's cleavage (used to be Melody's, and before her, Dickson's... why do you think Melody over the years so rarely wore a brassiere?)It would be nice if Adam could carry the torch... but I have my doubts that Muhney can pull that off. And a replcement villian? PLEASE. My only problem, is that if he's gonna go.... it needs to BE BIG. HUGE. MAJOR LEAGUE. I mean, he needs to go down in the biggest blaze of glory daytime has ever seen. But then again, with Sheffer at the helm, I'd be scared to death they'd have Jack kill him in a fit of grief, cut Colleeen's heart form his body, and take it despondently to her grave and say "Here, sweetie... he didn't need your heart after all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 If it takes Braeden leaving to topple this writing and producing regime at Y&R, I'm all for it! Many male sport stars have admitted to being huge Y&R fans and Victor tends to be their favourite character. I think Victor Newman's alpha male persona resonates a lot with men, straight men in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 I agree. I don't think we can underestimate how straight men have at times idolized Victor, although I think that has tapered off in the past few years. I do agree with alphanguy in that I personally have never seen him as Y&R's lead. I won't miss him if he goes, and I do not find him compelling and I have not in recent years, especially as they have now told us that Victor being abusive is a good thing, and makes him a good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members y&r_fan Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 I thought Sony was in charge of contracts, money, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 That's what they SAY.... they don't want the public to know they watch for the TITS... it would make them look like chauvanistic sex maniacs... same reason people say they read playboy for the articles. Even TODAY... if Melody's got a low cut top and no brassiere, my brother is there with BELLS ON. Same wiht Stafford. I think wev'e lost most of the straight male viewership anyway, they'e all now jerking off to internet porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CSF Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 I love you Alphanguy!!! I think straight guys tune into Y&R to see Victor Newman degrade woman and yes, for the sex appeal of the actresses. I mean the man is how old and he is still getting women pregnant???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 Braeden is to Y&R what Lucci is to AMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Heyou Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 Not that I'd miss EB and his overplayed horrendous character but he'd be sorely missed and I think the ratings would take a nosedive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Toups Posted September 29, 2009 Administrator Share Posted September 29, 2009 I doubt this has anything to do with MAB. Contracts are dealt with Sony and BBJr. I'm not worried. Jess came back. MTS came back. I'm sure EB will be back too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yep. It's a pure and natural fact: when the average person sees Y&R, their very first thought is "Where's Victor Newman?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 I actually think that the black audience, which once supported Y&R so strongly, could have kept Y&R going even if Braeden finally goes away, but now that Y&R has told them they're worthless, they probably won't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 Oh no. We love Victor, too. My people probably liked Victor/Nikki more than Dru. They liked Dru, but they thought she was a little on the hoity-toity/saditty side after she cleaned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 Did opinions of Dru improve during VR's return stint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted September 29, 2009 Members Share Posted September 29, 2009 But the thing is, Walton can EASILY fill that bill, should he leave. Jill IS the only original character, after all. And until around 1990 or so, the show pretty much revolved around Jill. Jill went to work for Jabot, starting dating Jack, then John, that's how the Abbotts were introduced. This show could work without Braeden, and you don't need a MAN to replace him, just bring Jill back to the forefront and let her do the work. INVEST heavily in Jill. And play Katherine off of that, while you can. But Jeanne Cooper is 80, we need to be real... and not depend on her to carry this show 10 years from now. And maybe other would LIKE to see him go, because it free up enough of the budget so the rest of teh cast wouldn't have to take pay cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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