50 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Watch the video entitled, "Iris Confesses to Mac That She Was the Chief." 🙂 

I think Raines and McKinsey would have been a good match. I think his acting style would work much better with hers than Dusay's. 

That's another actress playing Iris. 

I found one from 1979 with Bev and guess who else was in the episode but Maeve, who played Vanessa on Guiding Light!  Small world!  LOL

I would have liked to at least see how the storylines would have changed, if it was her and Raines.

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14 hours ago, DeeVee said:

I was thinking of him while we were discussing failed soap hunks!

GH tried so hard to make him happen, putting him in a romance with saintly Rose. It totally belly-flopped. I guess they thought, "The audience accepted Laura falling for her rapist, they'll accept a professional hitman as hero, too, because he's HOT!"

Forgetting that Geary was no one's definition of "hot." While I am in NO WAY justifying the "redeemed rapist" plot, Luke was a well-defined character. He was a reluctant member of the mob who knew they would kill him whether or not he carried out the hit. I believe he was never intended to be a permanent character. It was the audience who made him happen, not the other way around.

Hutch just ended up having no real spark with anyone. His story with Rose seemed manufactured and tepid. Yes, he was well-built and had a great body, but soaps' leading men are not made successful by looks alone, if they are otherwise colorless. Some of the genre's biggest superstars weren't even conventionally attractive (Tony Geary and Jonathan Frid come to mind).

I do agree that under Douglas Marland and Pat Falken Smith, Luke had originally been a complex character, which is why (IMHO) viewers first noticed him. After Marland and Smith left GH and Geary's ego was catered to, however, Luke became hard to stomach. This ended up tarnishing the character. Unfortunately, the rapist-turned-romantic-lead horror had already been ignited by Geary/Luke, and continued unabated with all sorts of degenerates being glorified to this day (Sonny, Jason, Todd Manning, et al). I imagine if Hutch had struck gold with a viewer-captivating romance, he would have stuck around longer than he did, but I was relieved when the character was eliminated.

I was always grateful that TGL never turned Roger, a rapist with serious crimes under his belt, into an exalted saint and exonerated of all his sins by the good people of Springfield. When Laura Webber of GH talks to Sonny, in a chapel no less, and praises his virtues, it makes me gag.

Roger's complex nature was a large part of his draw.

14 hours ago, MLH said:

I find that so funny, but so interesting at the same time!  I found 70s Roger way too intense, but intriguing.  I would be too scared to even say hello to him.

I am glad I bought one old SOD magazine from when Michael played David on One Life To Live.  The interviewer basically got to date Michael (she met with him for hours doing a lot of activities for like 3 different days & was at his photo shoot). She even told him how intimidating he came off and he basically said that is why he thought it was time to stop playing Roger.

Michael also said that he got burnt by the press once and does anyone know what that was about?  Was it the end of his first marriage?

Roger was indeed intense in the 1970s. In real life, I would have steered away from him too. From the safety of my home, however, far away from Springfield, I found him quite mesmerizing.

I don't recall hearing about Zaslow ever being burned by the press. It was rare for soap mags to do that 50 years ago. Back then, there wasn't a lot of mud-slinging. I wonder if the culprit had been a rag like National Enquirer. They were openly inflammatory about Emily McLaughlin's (Jessie on GH) health woes.

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8 hours ago, DeeVee said:

I could see him emoting in courtroom scenes. Possibly a recast Mike Bauer?

There was such need for just that, so many years!

8 hours ago, MLH said:

That's another actress playing Iris. 

I found one from 1979 with Bev and guess who else was in the episode but Maeve, who played Vanessa on Guiding Light!  Small world!  LOL

I would have liked to at least see how the storylines would have changed, if it was her and Raines.

That's on Paul Rauch's head that we (AW) lost Maeve but GL got her. At the time it was seen as a remedy or solution. Today it would not. She played Angie Perrinni, Joey's sister.

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10 hours ago, DeeVee said:

I could see him emoting in courtroom scenes. Possibly a recast Mike Bauer?

Totally agree, I always thought he would have made a good Mike Bauer..he had a formality but innate warmth that would work. When you see Raines working with younger people he seems protective of them, but unlike BevAlex (who lost a son and was always kinder toward younger people) it did not work as Alan. I could see him in the courtroom.

As for his Alan..he would be eaten alive by Bev. He did have great chemistry with Joan Collins, but she always gave off the vibe that she was just playing with him and Alex did not see him as the forminable adversary he should have been.

29 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Totally agree, I always thought he would have made a good Mike Bauer..he had a formality but innate warmth that would work. When you see Raines working with younger people he seems protective of them, but unlike BevAlex (who lost a son and was always kinder toward younger people) it did not work as Alan. I could see him in the courtroom.

As for his Alan..he would be eaten alive by Bev. He did have great chemistry with Joan Collins, but she always gave off the vibe that she was just playing with him and Alex did not see him as the forminable adversary he should have been.

Wasn't Joan Collins a surprise? She was to me. I was prepared for the worst. Then, she was delightful & I understand a really hard worker. 

 

54 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Totally agree, I always thought he would have made a good Mike Bauer..he had a formality but innate warmth that would work.

Mike also did not need an exceptional actor to play the role the way Alan/Roger/Alex did. Let's face it, Don Stewart was not the greatest actor. (He even had trouble remembering his lines). But like you said, he had a formality, a warmth, and was very credible as a crusading attorney. He could be very gentle in scenes with his family and love interests, but do the big trial scenes, too. Raines could have handled the role just fine.

There was a big hole left in the show when he exited, not just because it was another Bauer gone, but because it left Ross as the only attorney on the canvas for most of the rest of the life of the show. They had a bunch of cops but only one attorney as a main character.

Weird they never addressed that. At the very least, they could have had Alan Michael annoy his father by following in his grandfather's footsteps, instead of the same old fighting over the Spaulding company crap.

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4 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Wasn't Joan Collins a surprise? She was to me. I was prepared for the worst. Then, she was delightful & I understand a really hard worker. 

 

LOVED Joan as Alex...she gave off a Bev vibe, or course mixed in with her seductive, playful self. Most of what Joan plays now is "I'm in on the joke" so I was surprised that she got Alex so well. She also had Bev's niceness with younger people and the people Alex liked. It was a hard go to go back to Marj bellowing and stuttering and rolling her eyes.

9 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

Hutch just ended up having no real spark with anyone. His story with Rose seemed manufactured and tepid. Yes, he was well-built and had a great body, but soaps' leading men are not made successful by looks alone, if they are otherwise colorless. Some of the genre's biggest superstars weren't even conventionally attractive (Tony Geary and Jonathan Frid come to mind).

I do agree that under Douglas Marland and Pat Falken Smith, Luke had originally been a complex character, which is why (IMHO) viewers first noticed him. After Marland and Smith left GH and Geary's ego was catered to, however, Luke became hard to stomach. This ended up tarnishing the character. Unfortunately, the rapist-turned-romantic-lead horror had already been ignited by Geary/Luke, and continued unabated with all sorts of degenerates being glorified to this day (Sonny, Jason, Todd Manning, et al). I imagine if Hutch had struck gold with a viewer-captivating romance, he would have stuck around longer than he did, but I was relieved when the character was eliminated.

I was always grateful that TGL never turned Roger, a rapist with serious crimes under his belt, into an exalted saint and exonerated of all his sins by the good people of Springfield. When Laura Webber of GH talks to Sonny, in a chapel no less, and praises his virtues, it makes me gag.

Roger's complex nature was a large part of his draw.

Roger was indeed intense in the 1970s. In real life, I would have steered away from him too. From the safety of my home, however, far away from Springfield, I found him quite mesmerizing.

I don't recall hearing about Zaslow ever being burned by the press. It was rare for soap mags to do that 50 years ago. Back then, there wasn't a lot of mud-slinging. I wonder if the culprit had been a rag like National Enquirer. They were openly inflammatory about Emily McLaughlin's (Jessie on GH) health woes.

The interview was from 1983.  I don't recall if the tabloids wrote anything about Zaslow until his ALS in the 90s. 

@Contessa Donatella @Mitch64 @DeeVee  I agree that there was a void for a period of time with Mike Bauer gone.  It would have been a no brainer for Alan Michael to become a lawyer/attorney working with Ross.  Instead they had him at the newspaper.

I actually would have given Leo a bigger role on the show.  Anyone know why he never got a bigger role like Sid got?

 

Edited July 23Jul 23 by MLH

12 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

LOVED Joan as Alex...she gave off a Bev vibe, or course mixed in with her seductive, playful self. Most of what Joan plays now is "I'm in on the joke" so I was surprised that she got Alex so well. She also had Bev's niceness with younger people and the people Alex liked. It was a hard go to go back to Marj bellowing and stuttering and rolling her eyes.

And, I was so furious with Conboy for costing us many more months we could have had her!!!

17 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

Mike also did not need an exceptional actor to play the role the way Alan/Roger/Alex did. Let's face it, Don Stewart was not the greatest actor. (He even had trouble remembering his lines). But like you said, he had a formality, a warmth, and was very credible as a crusading attorney. He could be very gentle in scenes with his family and love interests, but do the big trial scenes, too. Rains could have handled the role just fine.

There was a big hole left in the show when he exited, not just because it was another Bauer gone, but because it left Ross as the only attorney on the canvas for most of the rest of the life of the show. They had a bunch of cops but only one attorney as a main character.

Weird they never addressed that. At the very least, they could have had Alan Michael annoy his father by following in his grandfather's footsteps, instead of the same old fighting over the Spaulding company crap.

It really was weird, occupationally speaking. We had plenty of cops. And, we had plenty in journalism, too. Then, we add in hospitality, between the Beacon & Company. It's just a stupid move in these small towns to only have one attorney. There should be a soap rule that you have to have at least two - one on the defense's side & one for the prosecution's side, right?

 

@MLHI was thinking about you & about Iris. Really there were 3, not 2. Bev played Iris on AW & then Bev played Iris on Texas & they ended up being substantially different.  Then, of course, on AW, Iris was played (Wonderfully I might add) by Carmen Duncan. In my Rumble account I have plenty of examples of the first two. And, You-Tube has a lot of the last. 

5 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

Mike also did not need an exceptional actor to play the role the way Alan/Roger/Alex did.

Agreed, and not only that, they needed Mike for a balance of power on the good side...Ross was tasked to that alone..Buzz for all his bellowing was not able to do it, Ed was too weak and passive (at least Simon's was) they needed a strong male patriarch. When Simon left in 95 it was a perfect time for Mike to come back to take care of the family, but McTavish was too busy with Lonatrat and Angel boy.

 

25 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

Weird they never addressed that. At the very least, they could have had Alan Michael annoy his father by following in his grandfather's footsteps, instead of the same old fighting over the Spaulding company crap.

I always thought that as well. a crusading trust busting attorney...or at least go into something non-profit..the Bauer Foundation would drive Alan nutso. We did NOT need another Spaulding fighting over stock or the presidenancy... (why the board and the investors did not kick that family out earlier...)

36 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Wasn't Joan Collins a surprise? She was to me. I was prepared for the worst. Then, she was delightful & I understand a really hard worker. 

I have a blog devoted mostly to classic films. A few times a year I participate in blogathons (bloggers write and post about a designated film or TV topic over a 3-4 day period).

I once participated in one where Collins was the topic. The lady who ran the blogathon has a blog devoted mostly to 1980s television shows. She's particularly a fan of Dynasty. Turns out, Joan had been following her blog for quite some time before the blogathon about her.

I thought that was so sweet that she followed a fan blog and seemed flattered to be the topic of one of our blogging events.

(In case you're wondering, the film I wrote about was Land of the Pharoahs, one of my fave Sword and Sandal epics).

 

I always thought it was dumb that there wasn't a major real estate agent on the show.  I would have made Nadine the real estate agent.  She was made to be one!

She could have been making major bank and not have to be stuck at the diner. 

2 minutes ago, MLH said:

I always thought it was dumb that there wasn't a major real estate agent on the show.  I would have made Nadine the real estate agent.  She was made to be one!

She could have been making major bank and not have to be stuck at the diner. 

A friend of mine once played a real estate agent on the show. I was able to provide her with clips of herself on the show for her professional reel. She does mostly regional things but this was different. I recall she showed Natalia a house. 

4 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

I have a blog devoted mostly to classic films. A few times a year I participate in blogathons (bloggers write and post about a designated film or TV topic over a 3-4 day period).

I once participated in one where Collins was the topic. The lady who ran the blogathon has a blog devoted mostly to 1980s television shows. She's particularly a fan of Dynasty. Turns out, Joan had been following her blog for quite some time before the blogathon about her.

I thought that was so sweet that she followed a fan blog and seemed flattered to be the topic of one of our blogging events.

(In case you're wondering, the film I wrote about was Land of the Pharoahs, one of my fave Sword and Sandal epics).

 

That is so neat!!! Give me the link. Please. 

 

Edited July 23Jul 23 by Contessa Donatella

Speaking about Buzz, I still remember this one scene between him and Tangie and Marcy literally put a finger in her ear, like his bellowing was way too much!  LOL

Do you guys think after the Blake having twins by two different dads was their 'Jump The Shark' moment and they kept having to go over the top after that? Not well, thought out stories?   

5 minutes ago, MLH said:

Speaking about Buzz, I still remember this one scene between him and Tangie and Marcy literally put a finger in her ear, like his bellowing was way too much!  LOL

Do you guys think after the Blake having twins by two different dads was their 'Jump The Shark' moment and they kept having to go over the top after that? Not well, thought out stories?   

I think I would reach for Brent/Marion. Both stories crossed lines, just different lines.

 

Edited July 23Jul 23 by Contessa Donatella