Just now, DeeVee said:

You know, I thought of that, too, but I'm chalking that up to pure arrogance on her part. I'm assuming she thought fans would agree with her.

Well then she's even more of a villain (and pretty dumb too)😉😎

19 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

I love the cover, too! Oh, what might have been, if TPTB had had the sense to take advantage of their chemistry. Instead, they were adversarial "friends"/co-conspirators. I think that is the best way to describe their relationship.

My last words about the Zaslow situation (for now):

Logan is a soap opera magazine writer. I don't mean it as a put down, but let's face it: his bread and butter depended on having access to the soaps, which could have been taken away at any time if the network/sponsor didn't like his reporting. 

It is an absolute FACT that soap opera magazines hid things happening BTS of soap operas if they were detrimental to the shows/networks. It's why soap magazines didn't out gay actors, for instance, and why it was rare that they reported actors having affairs, outside maybe a blind item. It's somewhat different now, but that's because these things have become less stigmatized. Definitely, the rise of social media changed a lot of things because it became easier for backstage stories to circulate among fans.

I'll bet they knew about Maeve Kinkead's accusations against Rauch.

It was fairly widely known, I think, but also probably only because of the action that was taken, considered a remedy at that time. 

The soap press was definitely in bed with mgmt at the shows. When Mimi tried to do more critique if you recall Corday tried to get everyone to deny her access to any of their actors or even creative types, etc. Of course, she was able to get stories without cooperation. Corday was to me hilarious as he seemed to be offended at the very idea of constructive criticism.  His mother would not have been phased. 

 

 

It's not up to a journalist to reveal an actress's personal life (pregnancies) unless that's something she wants to share. I would find it appalling for a soap columnist to write about that. As for sexual harassment at the soaps, I highly doubt any publisher would allow a soap journalist to publish such a story with those kinds of legal ramifications. TVGUIDE did not have a strong and dedicated legal team that The NY Times did and does, and the NYTIMES only published the Weinstein story after a very long time. Zaslow's surviving daughter, Marika, Garrett, Hutchison, and Keifer have confirmed the accuracy of Logan's column. 

Michael Logan did call out the networks and the producers at the beginning. He could be downright mean (making fun of Pamela K. Long's Southern background for ex.) and extremely cutting, but he took them to task for boneheaded and often cruel decisions. You would never get that kind of criticism these days where too many journalists are yes men/women who don't want to lose access to celebs and networks. I've mentioned this before, but Michael Logan was publicly calling for JFP to be fired from GL--something that would NEVER happen today. Logan had lost all power by the time JFP was EP on YR and he had to kiss the ring so to speak so his demeanor changed. When he interviewed her, he complained at how the attacks on her were sexist. 

16 minutes ago, chrisml said:

It's not up to a journalist to reveal an actress's personal life (pregnancies) unless that's something she wants to share. I would find it appalling for a soap columnist to write about that. As for sexual harassment at the soaps, I highly doubt any publisher would allow a soap journalist to publish such a story with those kinds of legal ramifications. TVGUIDE did not have a strong and dedicated legal team that The NY Times did and does, and the NYTIMES only published the Weinstein story after a very long time. Zaslow's surviving daughter, Marika, Garrett, Hutchison, and Keifer have confirmed the accuracy of Logan's column. 

Michael Logan did call out the networks and the producers at the beginning. He could be 

What is this about?!!!

 

 

9 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

What is this about?!!!

This is in reference to Kate Mulgrew's pregnancy back when she was first on Ryan's Hope. She was an unwed mother and she gave the baby up for adoption. She covers this part of her life in her memoir. The show tried to keep it a secret. The soap magazines didn't report it but someone who worked on the show leaked the story to gossip columnist Rona Barrett and she revealed it on Good Morning America.

Yes, it's not a bad thing that they kept this quiet (or at least tried to), and same with actors who didn't want to come out, etc. I was just making the point that soap magazines kept these kinds of things secret, while other news outlets didn't. But I think soap magazines did this for the shows/networks to avoid negative publicity, not out of consideration for the individual actors.

9 hours ago, DeeVee said:

So I am taking Logan's summation of events with a grain of salt. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

Me as well 

This morning, I watched an episode that aired on December 14, 1979.  The episode where Alan finds out that Mike is having Roger's body exhumed. I wish there was a video made of every storyline Roger was in from the very beginning on April 1, 1970.  

It was also interesting how they let us hear Alan's thoughts. He was freaking out that Roger wasn't in the hiding place.

23 minutes ago, MLH said:

It was also interesting how they let us hear Alan's thoughts. He was freaking out that Roger wasn't in the hiding place.

This is a soap opera technique that was once extremely common. Listening to the character's thoughts went out of fashion.

Gloria Monty, who produced General Hospital, revolutionized how soaps were directed. This wasn't the only thing she dropped. Used to be scenes would end with a lingering shot on a close-up of the face of one of the characters. When Kin Shriner moved from GH to Texas he complained because they still used that technique.

It took a while for other soaps to change their directing techniques, but most eventually did because they were chasing GH's success.

In some ways the chages were good. They made soaps seem more dynamic. In others, you kind of lost the intimacy of the scenes.

One thing that used to drive me CRAZY about soap direction was when two actors would have a conversation while both were facing the camera, with one talking into the back of the other. It was so you could see both actors' faces during the scene, but it always looked silly and awkward to me. Definitely was not sorry when they stopped doing that for the most part.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by DeeVee

7 hours ago, DeeVee said:

This is in reference to Kate Mulgrew's pregnancy back when she was first on Ryan's Hope. She was an unwed mother and she gave the baby up for adoption. She covers this part of her life in her memoir. The show tried to keep it a secret. The soap magazines didn't report it but someone who worked on the show leaked the story to gossip columnist Rona Barrett and she revealed it on Good Morning America.

Yes, it's not a bad thing that they kept this quiet (or at least tried to), and same with actors who didn't want to come out, etc. I was just making the point that soap magazines kept these kinds of things secret, while other news outlets didn't. But I think soap magazines did this for the shows/networks to avoid negative publicity, not out of consideration for the individual actors.

Thank you for the reply.  I love her memoir. Up above I got distracted about Maeve & Rauch.

27 minutes ago, TheyStartedOnSoaps said:

Me as well 

Logan is a mixed bag. There were interviews that only he could get. Sometimes his coverage bordered on the brilliant. Other times he literally fell down on the job. Two of his pluses are Beverlee after she fled GL (Begins with  Beverlee is a dream to interview) & when Frank & Ron "saved" GH his interview with Geary, Shriner & Elliot. (TVG Mag Apr 2014) But there were times when you just want to punch him in the face.

I meant to say that one of the best texts to read about violence against women & the soaps or the network expansion to an hour (but not the 90 minute show) is HER STORIES by Elana Levine.

22 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

This is a soap opera technique that was once extremely common. Listening to the character's thoughts went out of fashion.

Gloria Monty, who produced General Hospital, revolutionized how soaps were directed. This wasn't the only thing she dropped. Used to be scenes would end with a lingering shot on a close-up of the face of one of the characters. When Kin Shriner moved from GH to Texas he complained because they still used that technique.

It took a while for other soaps to change their directing techniques, but most eventually did because they were chasing GH's success.

In some ways the chages were good. They made soaps seem more dynamic. In others, you kind of lost the intimacy of the scenes.

Well "GloriaMontySavedGH" did as much bad to the genre as she did good! The drastic change from character-driven stories to plot-driven is on her head. Daytime copycatting primetime is, too, and daytime has been the loser in that. There's more but this is neither the time nor the place. And, don't mistake me. I am SURE that what she did was what GH needed, at least at that time. 

22 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

One thing that used to drive me CRAZY about soap direction was when two actors would have a conversation while both were facing the camera, with one talking into the back of the other. It was so you could see both actors' faces during the scene, but it always looked silly and awkward to me. Definitely was not sorry when they stopped doing that for the most part.

Now, see, it takes all kinds because I still LOVE that 2-shot. And, that blocking is classic not just for soaps but for the theatre & movies, etc.  And, it is also quite realistic. When people are having serious conversations they are not looking AT each other most of the time!!!

@DeeVee The voice in the head seemed to make it more realistic to me.  Since, only Alan was in the room.

There was a scene where Roger went to Alan's office while Diane was there.  Diane had stolen the affidavits from Roger's place (I don't know if there are any YouTube vids of that) and Roger didn't want to say anything in front of Diane (not knowing she stole them from his place). Roger started to fondle an envelope as if to give a signal to Alan not to mess with him as he had the affidavits Alan tampered with. 

It was a well done scene!  So much said without saying anything about the affidavits! 

Sigh! I wish I could watch that whole storyline from beginning to end, not just some episodes here and there. So much more interesting than anything in the late 90s. 

I didn't know that Ed married Holly while drunk in Las Vegas just like Billy & Nadine!  Was that ever mentioned before? 

Edited July 16Jul 16 by MLH

6 hours ago, MLH said:

This morning, I watched an episode that aired on December 14, 1979.  The episode where Alan finds out that Mike is having Roger's body exhumed. I wish there was a video made of every storyline Roger was in from the very beginning on April 1, 1970.  

It was also interesting how they let us hear Alan's thoughts. He was freaking out that Roger wasn't in the hiding place.

I would LOVE that too! I would certainly buy more than one copy.

Isn't there an old compilation VHS of Roger Thorpe produced at the same time as the other GL videos, like the one about Reva?  What years does it cover?  One assumes it doesn't have a lot of 1970s scenes.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by j swift

21 minutes ago, j swift said:

Isn't there an old compilation VHS of Roger Thorpe produced at the same time as the other GL videos, like the one about Reva?  What years does it cover?  One assumes it doesn't have a lot of 1970s scenes.

Nope. It doesn't show his very first scene. It doesn't cover whole storylines. Just the basics until his mask is removed. 

BTW, the show wouldn't let Michael use the old VHS video to raise funds for ALS.  Those people were cold blooded, IMO. 

Edited July 16Jul 16 by MLH

1 hour ago, j swift said:

Isn't there an old compilation VHS of Roger Thorpe produced at the same time as the other GL videos, like the one about Reva?  What years does it cover?  One assumes it doesn't have a lot of 1970s scenes.

This is on Youtube. I posted it a few times but I know there are a lot of pages. It just shows a few glimpses up to the rape story, focusing on Roger/Holly/Ed and Roger/Peggy breaking up. These clips were from Zaslow and Garrett themselves, I believe.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by DRW50

I've always wanted to see scenes between Roger and his father, Adam. Adam intrigues me.  Wasn't he also involved with Dr. Sarah McIntyre?  That whole era interests me because it feels like GL really trying to grapple with women's liberation and more internalized drama.