21 hours ago, P.J. said:

I found some of the "mourning" odd....Fletch has some moment where he's like "yeah, I really should've tried harder when you were interested in me", and Roger's "I was sexually attracted to you the night of the blackout." And I think they should've showed things that were later talked about, like Michelle pulling away from her friendships with Bill and Ben, and not wanting to be around Vanessa. 

Those comments from Roger and Fletcher....  That has JFP's touch all over it. UGH. Was being a sexist a prerequisite for GL producers from JFP to Conboy? I don't know enough about Wheeler's tenure to put her in the mix but it wouldn't surprise me if she were. 

Nancy Curlee seems like an intelligent and thoughtful writer in the Locher interviews, but then when I read her comments in the soap columns from 1993 onwards, I think, "Who is this? She's spouting nonsense. She sounds like a used car saleswoman." Interesting JFP listed her favorite GL writers and did not list Curlee but did mention Broderick, Demorest, and Reilly.

I know Pamela K. Long's second tenure on GL and then her disastrous work on SB. Have no idea what she did on OLTL. I don't know what I think of her work. Her time at SB was so bad. 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, chrisml said:

I know Pamela K. Long's second tenure on GL and then her disastrous work on SB. Have no idea what she did on OLTL. I don't know what I think of her work. Her time at SB was so bad. 

Very little of her OLTL run is reminiscent of her past stories. My guess is JFP just told her everything and then she left, but who knows.

10 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

A number of Leonard's friends and co-stars are still close with him - Jocelyn Seagrave (who played Julie) is still close with him and has done interviews with Locher Room and elsewhere about him.

Who is Leonard?

1 minute ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Who is Leonard?

Leonard Stabb.

39 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Jean Carol mentioned in her ill-fated attempt to stay that she had worked with so many characters and no longer did. Another gift from JFP (I would blame Buzz, but Buzz was a fictional character...but I'll give him some blame anyway...).

Bill was called Little Billy until 1993 or 1994, when he wanted to be called Bill.

There was some storyline, I don't really remember it aside from reading about it in books, where Dylan as well as Nadine's boyfriend Carroll were working for some trucking gang. I think they may have been responsible for his blindness, although Ed, who had relapsed around that time, was suspected.

A number of Leonard's friends and co-stars are still close with him - Jocelyn Seagrave (who played Julie) is still close with him and has done interviews with Locher Room and elsewhere about him.

Ohhh what else did Jean Carol say?  I remember what McTavish allegedly wrote in her 'memoir' about Jean and the Nadine death, but I was always curious what Jean's version was and how she reacted to being let go.

The Dylan/Carroll thing and Ed's relapse happened October 1994, and then Dylan left town to go to that school for the blind on NYE '94, so all right before I started watching. I found a good website that lists critical milestones/events that happen every year. I try not to read what happens in the future, so I don't spoil myself too much in the moment for a particular episode I'm watching, but I read back through the key events of 1994, leading up to my 1995 watch, and its been helpful.

That's so great to hear about Leonard's friends and co-stars being at his side through all these years.  

 

52 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Leonard Stabb.

Oh, the actor who had an unfortunate accident. 

Thanks!

58 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Those comments from Roger and Fletcher....  That has JFP's touch all over it. UGH. Was being a sexist a prerequisite for GL producers from JFP to Conboy? I don't know enough about Wheeler's tenure to put her in the mix but it wouldn't surprise me if she were. 

Nancy Curlee seems like an intelligent and thoughtful writer in the Locher interviews, but then when I read her comments in the soap columns from 1993 onwards, I think, "Who is this? She's spouting nonsense. She sounds like a used car saleswoman." Interesting JFP listed her favorite GL writers and did not list Curlee but did mention Broderick, Demorest, and Reilly.

Because any woman over a size 4 couldn't have possibly been desirable to a man, rme. Oh, and I forgot the most weird thing of all----Maureen crooning The Doors "Light My Fire" on the video Van gave Ed and Michelle (that Nadine accidently played after the funeral.) "Our love become a funeral pyre?" COME ON. Maybe I could see Maureen having been into The Doors. But there was no flippin' way in hell Vanessa (to whom appearance is everything) is giving Mo's daughter that kind of imagery to remember her mom by. 

And then someone (whoever's writing in '96) basically copied and pasted this ridiculous idea to Van's memorial. Minus the singing. RME.

10 hours ago, DeeVee said:

Back in the day, Roger had a vasectomy. This is one of the reasons he became so obsessed with Christna (Blake), because she was his only biological child.

Did they just memory hole that? Or did Roger doubt Hart was his kid at first?

I was completely unaware Roger had had a vasectomy. So, sort of like Roger also raping Rita...it got lost in the dustbin.

7 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Because any woman over a size 4 couldn't have possibly been desirable to a man, rme.

Do you know how it was decided each & every year how the sizes would run for DKNY which stands for Donna Karan New York. The skirt that fit Donna Karan herself IRL was deemed to be their size 6 & everything else was scaled up or down accordingly. 

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10 hours ago, alwaysAMC said:

 I can't recall Nadine ever interacting with Van, Bridget or Peter since I've been watching. I guess once Buzz and Lucy came onto the scene, she hasn't really escaped the 5th Street Diner bubble (at least in 1995).  

Well this all makes more sense now, thanks for the background  So I'm guessing Billy is still in prison right now in 95? 

I meant to look up how old Budig was she started GL, as I thought about how the age difference between Michelle and Billy is off now. I will say, Budig came in with an animal backpack, and they were still playing up the nice little girl act. I'm assuming that goes away and they give her something more young adult. Yep, just checked and Budig was 22 and Bryan was 15 in 1995.

 

Thanks, as always  

I do remember a few scenes with Miner's Michelle and Bill around Eve's death and they were hot and cold with each other, dealing with emotions and feelings. I guess this Bill goes by Bill and his dad was Billy? I kept thinking he was Billy too.

 

Thanks--I had wondered if Vanessa had interactions with Nadine during that time period. I see she didn't. It probably would've irritated me, but I would've thought it would've been a natural story point to at least have them occasionally bristle at each other. 

Yes, Billy's in jail until NYE '97, I think. 

HB, Billy and Bill are Harlan Billy Lewis I, II and III. (Although I'm not really sure if it's Harlan William, Trish would occasionally call Billy "William" when she was irritated with him.) HB is HB to everyone (except Reva, who occasionally reverted to Harlan). Billy is Billy. Bill started out as "Little Billy", until he and Vanessa leave town in '88. When she returns in '89, she tells everyone that he wants to be known as Bill. His family occasionally slip back into "Little Billy", but for the most part, he's Bill from then on.

8 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Thanks--I had wondered if Vanessa had interactions with Nadine during that time period. I see she didn't. It probably would've irritated me, but I would've thought it would've been a natural story point to at least have them occasionally bristle at each other. 

Yes, Billy's in jail until NYE '97, I think. 

HB, Billy and Bill are Harlan Billy Lewis I, II and III. (Although I'm not really sure if it's Harlan William, Trish would occasionally call Billy "William" when she was irritated with him.) HB is HB to everyone (except Reva, who occasionally reverted to Harlan). Billy is Billy. Bill started out as "Little Billy", until he and Vanessa leave town in '88. When she returns in '89, she tells everyone that he wants to be known as Bill. His family occasionally slip back into "Little Billy", but for the most part, he's Bill from then on.

I don't know why I thought he was Little Billy for that long a period of time. I remember him as that. 

Billy does return briefly in fall 1996 for Vanessa's funeral but as you mentioned he was still in jail at the time. I remember being surprised they brought Jordan back, although I'm very glad they did.

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13 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Because any woman over a size 4 couldn't have possibly been desirable to a man, rme. Oh, and I forgot the most weird thing of all----Maureen crooning The Doors "Light My Fire" on the video Van gave Ed and Michelle (that Nadine accidently played after the funeral.) "Our love become a funeral pyre?" COME ON. Maybe I could see Maureen having been into The Doors. But there was no flippin' way in hell Vanessa (to whom appearance is everything) is giving Mo's daughter that kind of imagery to remember her mom by. 

They had her singing that song after her character died in a car accident?? Insane. No wonder Maeve Kinkead said so much of the storyline was so ghoulish. Why didn't someone step in and say, "This is too morbid and insulting?" I just...

4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I don't know why I thought he was Little Billy for that long a period of time. I remember him as that. 

Billy does return briefly in fall 1996 for Vanessa's funeral but as you mentioned he was still in jail at the time. I remember being surprised they brought Jordan back, although I'm very glad they did.

Well, like I said, his family occasionally slipped back to "Little Billy." And for a while, when Billy and Van were on the outs, they were constantly talking about "their little boy" and how they had to try and get along for his sake. It was kind of their excuse to have their feelings and interact, no matter who they were officially involved with at the time.

You're right---Billy was at Van's memorial. I was happy they brought him back too, although he never again drives plot the way he had. But he truly is one of those lynchpin characters that GL was sorely lacking in the show's last years.

12 minutes ago, chrisml said:

They had her singing that song after her character died in a car accident?? Insane. No wonder Maeve Kinkead said so much of the storyline was so ghoulish. Why didn't someone step in and say, "This is too morbid and insulting?" I just...

RIGHT? I think it was supposed to have been at a Bauer BBQ. I don't know if it was in the script, or if Ellen Parker was giving them a subtle finger after getting fired by belting out a random song.

33 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Thanks--I had wondered if Vanessa had interactions with Nadine during that time period. I see she didn't. It probably would've irritated me, but I would've thought it would've been a natural story point to at least have them occasionally bristle at each other. 

Yes, Billy's in jail until NYE '97, I think. 

HB, Billy and Bill are Harlan Billy Lewis I, II and III. (Although I'm not really sure if it's Harlan William, Trish would occasionally call Billy "William" when she was irritated with him.) HB is HB to everyone (except Reva, who occasionally reverted to Harlan). Billy is Billy. Bill started out as "Little Billy", until he and Vanessa leave town in '88. When she returns in '89, she tells everyone that he wants to be known as Bill. His family occasionally slip back into "Little Billy", but for the most part, he's Bill from then on.

Very helpful, as always! 

Remind me, when did you stop watching and what was the reason - because you didn't enjoy it anymore (which I get from your previous comments), or life got too busy, or you watched others that were better at the time?  Just curious  

27 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I don't know why I thought he was Little Billy for that long a period of time. I remember him as that. 

Billy does return briefly in fall 1996 for Vanessa's funeral but as you mentioned he was still in jail at the time. I remember being surprised they brought Jordan back, although I'm very glad they did.

Wow - Vanessa dies in 1996? I'm surprised by that. I knew she didn't last forever on the show, but didn't realize it was so soon (for me). Was that Maeve's choice or did the writers/EP make that decision? 

25 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

Wow - Vanessa dies in 1996? I'm surprised by that. I knew she didn't last forever on the show, but didn't realize it was so soon (for me). Was that Maeve's choice or did the writers/EP make that decision? 

Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil.

It's not real. Maeve had wanted to leave or at least have a leave of absence. She makes some appearances and then returns on a more frequent basis again around spring 1997.

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3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil.

It's not real.

Hahaha, no its ok, I can't be surprised by spoilers from that long ago...  just don't tell me yet how she dies   JK - but am curious if that was Maeve's decision and she moved on or if she was forced out.