2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

Nope, I do not remember the sisters being notified about Bill at all. I did not see every second of every episode, so I could have missed a momentary reference about Meta and Trudy at the time, but I doubt the writers included one. They didn't refer to Trudy when Papa Bauer died, either (again, unless I missed a nanosecond comment).

I actually recall Bert maybe mentioning Meta when Bill died in 1983. Or Bert might have been mentioned Simone? The mind plays tricks on me nowadays...!

2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

Sadly, after years of being totally ignored and her absence during all of Phillip's trials and tribulations unaddressed, the show did acknowledge on screen that Elizabeth had died some time before. Lyman should indeed have played someone more pivotal to the action, however. TPTB failed the show in so many ways, alas.

I saw that post, but given that Philip had also died and returned, I don't know if it would have mattered if they could find some strong story (or even just a few scenes). You're right that Lyman could have played someone else.

2 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

Dorothy Lyman was on GL for the last few months? Was it like Linda Dana who played Harley's cell mate that who did it favor of Wheeler and to keep her union insurance ?

Speaking of..I wish they had brought Dano back as Elizabeth Spaulding at that time. In my scenario it would have been an alter of Beth shot Phillip (to protect Harley who she thought was being attacked by Phillip, it was the same alter that killed Professor Rayburn that Beth created after the Bradly rape) Alan would think that Harley did indeed kill him, so instead of framing her in his mind he was seeing justice was done.) Elizabeth somehow had the docs declare Phillip dead and sent him to be cremated(or so everyone thought) and then brought him to her estate for him to get well and to protect from Alan (who SHE think is the shooter.) Anyway I think Dana could play a woman who waws previously a victim and who is a bit...still nutty herself.

She was in an episode or two. Alan went somewhere while struggling with Philip's impending death, I think, and Dorothy worked there.

I forgot Linda was on GL.

She would have been a good Elizabeth too.

Linda Dano as Elizabeth Spaulding? The same Elizabeth Spaulding that was almost in a zombie like trance during her time on the show? Yeah, no.

Unpopular opinion, but Dano was kind of over-rated. Her only good character was Felicia and the character had to be changed because she couldn't play Felicia in the way she was intended to be.

@DeeVee I'm kind of glad that Marland didn't have the opportunity to write Roger long term.. he probably would have done the whole therapy BS like he did with Josh on ATWT.. and have Holly & Rita having to face their rapist on a daily basis.

I don't recall how he wrote Rita vs how the Dobson's wrote her... but I think the Dobson's did a good job with writing someone that was insecure at her core and made mistakes out of that insecurity and having to live with the consequences with her actions. It's why Evie was a good counterpart for her to interact with.. someone that loved her and accepted her. Marland didn't seem to write Rita in that same way. .but I could be mistaken.

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13 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Linda Dano as Elizabeth Spaulding? The same Elizabeth Spaulding that was almost in a zombie like trance during her time on the show? Yeah, no.

Unpopular opinion, but Dano was kind of over-rated. Her only good character was Felicia and the character had to be changed because she couldn't play Felicia in the way she was intended to be.

I'm neither here nor there on Dano...but I am thinking like they should have...if Dano likes Wheeler and is willing to work for the GL cash for fun..why not have her do somehting of importance..."Linda Dano joins Gl as a mysterious woman who may know..."Who shot Phillip" or some such thing.

It has been so long that viewers wouldn't remember Elizabeth that well and she has been away for years..."I know what it is like, what that man does to you..breaks you..hallows you out until you have to escape to another world (haha) to escape him. I did that, and it took me a long time to find my strength, and my son, you will too. Until you can fight, I will for you." or some such soap nonsense. There is always a hint that Elizabeth is not quite right still, but she has a backbone.

27 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I'm kind of glad that Marland didn't have the opportunity to write Roger long term.. he probably would have done the whole therapy BS like he did with Josh on ATWT.. and have Holly & Rita having to face their rapist on a daily basis.

Oh, yeah, I think you're probably right. Yikes, I guess we're lucky Zaslow left when he did.

30 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I don't recall how he wrote Rita vs how the Dobson's wrote her... but I think the Dobson's did a good job with writing someone that was insecure at her core and made mistakes out of that insecurity and having to live with the consequences with her actions. It's why Evie was a good counterpart for her to interact with.. someone that loved her and accepted her. Marland didn't seem to write Rita in that same way. .but I could be mistaken.

No, he did not write her in that way. While she was always portrayed as someone who was upwardly mobile, Marland made that more crass than the Dobsons did. Rita really loved Ed, but it didn't hurt he was successful doctor who could buy her that nice house. She was pretty aggressive about persuing him after he and Holly broke up, but she genuinely cared for him and I think was genuinely jealous of his residual feelings for Holly. She really was a dedicated nurse, not someone who wanted to live a life of leisure. She was furious when he made her quit her job and take care of Christina (not sure I can blame her very much) almost like a penance because she didn't come forward soon enough about what Roger did to her.

Like Jackie, she had a lot of layers to her. Yes, she was insecure, because of her humble background and her aspirations.

Under Marland, he had her become more like Nola--wanting to put on airs, live large, I guess you could say? I'm not sure if it's still available online, but there is episode where she's telling Sara she was sick of pretending she didn't want the things she wanted out of life. She felt like Ed held her back, that he was content with a blah middle-class existence. There were lots of implications that she wanted the kind of life the Spauldings lived. Whereas the Dobsons portrayed Alan and Rita's attraction as mainly sexual, like two people who just vibed, not necessarily that they would fall in love or that Rita was after his money and social position.

If she had stayed on the show, I'm fairly certain Marland was going to have her make a play to become the next Mrs. Spaulding. Which would make her kind of horrible, since Hope was her pregnant niece.

We'll never know now. I wish there was more from that time period available, the affair and the fall-out from it.

49 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

She was furious when he made her quit her job and take care of Christina (not sure I can blame her very much)

I remember the little red headed girl who played Christina played her like a brat...she was manipulating Rita into Evil Step Mom mold, and when Rita told her to set the table or something , she threw the napkins down in a fit...so Blake was always going to be trouble! I also remember that was the time that "Freddie" was at boarding school (mooing over Phillip???) so it doesn't make it like they grew up that much together so the the drunk screw is less..icky.

10 hours ago, DeeVee said:

"Mad at Ross" was probably her excuse for most of her affairs back then. 😂

I wonder if the Diane murder storyline was originally meant to be the Andy murder storyline. Maybe when Sofia told them she wanted to leave they changed it, especially since Andy didn't click with the audience the way they hoped he would. (I think he was Marland's attempt to create his own Roger).

True dat. As Marland left the door open for Andy, I don't think he would've planned to kill him. I assume Marland's point was that Vanessa was twisted up by her obsession over Ross, and to show us Katie would be in over her head with Andy. I wonder if the difficulty in casting Trish also played into it. She and Andy sleep together shortly after Vanessa relates Trish's backstory in the fall of '80. (It's mentioned in the recaps after Lucille's death. It also mentions moments where Van and Holly could've met.)

I don't doubt Marland intended Andy to be the next Roger-like presence in town. Why he pushed it so hard is a little curious, given how meticulously he set up story.

32 minutes ago, P.J. said:

As Marland left the door open for Andy, I don't think he would've planned to kill him.

I was thinking that, too. Maybe instead of a murder mystery, it would have been "Who shot Andy?" Or "Who shoved Andy so hard he hit his head and is now in a coma?" Or something like that.

34 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Why he pushed it so hard is a little curious, given how meticulously he set up story.

Yeah, he made him SO bad, SO fast. He's beating up Katie, he's gathering blackmailing info, I think he was embezzeling, he was chasing Hope because he thought he would get some of her eventual divorce settlement...Roger did a lot of that stuff, too, but it built up over years, not months.

7 hours ago, zanereed said:

I actually recall Bert maybe mentioning Meta when Bill died in 1983. Or Bert might have been mentioned Simone? The mind plays tricks on me nowadays...!

Long and her team seemed to have little knowledge of TGL's past, and they made various continuity blunders during their tenure. They didn't even know certain basic facts. I'd lean towards them not even knowing Simone existed or who she was, but I could be wrong. I tend to doubt Bert mentioned Meta. I loved the character so much, I probably would have screamed with excitement, LOL!

You're so right: as we get older and the decades pass by, the mind and our memory can be quite fickle! I swear that Bill Bauer appeared on the show to attend Hope's wedding to Alan. I even saw a photo at the time of the wedding party and all the guests, with Bill there, among his family. Unfortunately, no one else seems to remember this and it's gotten me doubting my sanity!😆

3 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

I remember the little red headed girl who played Christina played her like a brat...she was manipulating Rita into Evil Step Mom mold, and when Rita told her to set the table or something , she threw the napkins down in a fit...so Blake was always going to be trouble! I also remember that was the time that "Freddie" was at boarding school (mooing over Phillip???) so it doesn't make it like they grew up that much together so the the drunk screw is less..icky.

The SORASing really breaks my brain when thinking about whether Blake/AM would’ve interacted as cousins, but it seems likely not? I do think it’s funny the show implies both Blake/AM maintaining a close relationship with Ed/being part of the larger Bauer clan in the early 90s when the Bauer were decimated but at the same time downplaying them growing up as part of the same family. But when Rick was gone they had to make AM/Blake like they were Ed’s kids to play up Ed as patriarch.

Awhile back I watched the episode with AM being shot by Blake by accident, and they had to decide if the Brilliant Daniel St Jean would perform surgery. Ed called Hope who abdicated to Ed/Alex to decide which I found a bit amusing. (This was played up for drama very briefly but Alex deferred to Ed’s judgment though Ed pretty clearly didn’t want to decide knowing how that would go with Spauldings if things went wrong haha).

7 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I saw that post, but given that Philip had also died and returned, I don't know if it would have mattered if they could find some strong story (or even just a few scenes). You're right that Lyman could have played someone else.

On soaps, any death is treated as a reversible inconvenience, to be ignored if writers so chose. We saw Brandon Spaulding die, but years later...voila! He was alive again.

Personally, I hate when writers ignore, erase or contradict established canon from the past. I'll go to my grave railing against all the family patriarchs going fishing together during the stupid Ghost in the Attic story, the Brandon-is-alive bullsh*t, the heinous Amanda-is-Brandon's-offspring dreck, etc. TPTB were clearly ignorant and dismissive of the show's legacy and integrity.

I could see Sherry Mathis as a re-cast Elizabeth during the late 80's/early 90's. Unfortunately, she passed in 1994 at age 44. Mathis was 5 years younger than Dalton.

4 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

I swear that Bill Bauer appeared on the show to attend Hope's wedding to Alan. I even saw a photo at the time of the wedding party and all the guests, with Bill there, among his family. Unfortunately, no one else seems to remember this and it's gotten me doubting my sanity!😆

I hate to pile on your doubt, but I don't recall Bill Bauer being at Alan and Hope's wedding, either.

The wedding episode is not available online, but one of the anniversary compilations includes a brief clip of Mike walking Hope in her wedding gown down the stairs in Bert's house. In fact, someone posted that here fairly recently and I don't remember seeing Bill Bauer among the guests.

Since they had all the guests facing towards the camera and not turning away from it to look at Hope as she came down the stairs (by the way, what was THAT about, that was a very strange choice by the director), again, I'm kind of sure he wasn't there.

However, one can't discount cognetive dissonance--since I didn't expect to see him there, he might not have registered, especially since it's a really short clip. Also, we were too busy making fun of Hope's hideous wedding gown, another reason he might not have registered.

Does anyone remember which anniversary compilation that was? Now I really want to take a good look at it, LOL.

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4 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

I remember the little red headed girl who played Christina played her like a brat...she was manipulating Rita into Evil Step Mom mold, and when Rita told her to set the table or something , she threw the napkins down in a fit...so Blake was always going to be trouble! I also remember that was the time that "Freddie" was at boarding school (mooing over Phillip???) so it doesn't make it like they grew up that much together so the the drunk screw is less..icky.

To me, the drunken sexcapades between Frederick and Christinia will always be heinously icky.🤮

Just like Craig Montgomery and Dani Andropoulos (whom he used to babysit) on ATWT.

I would have disowned Freddie and slain Craig, LOL.