Y&R: Potpourri Thread 2

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Since scripts are written 3-4 months in advance and Maria herself went to the press bragging about "multiple" gay stories coming, there was no chance for anything to be vetoed. It would have been "vetoed" long before that when story projections were presented in corporate meetings. Maria and her band of hacks clearly had nothing planned.

We do have evidence of Maria's weak leadership and lack of fundamental soap opera writing skills though...

Trying to cover up the weaknesses of this crappy writing regime again, Mark?

[Sylph]

[Y&RWorldTurner]

I just do not understand the idea that third parties are responsible for the crap on Y&R and everything bad that happened creatively this year when the show was different with past regimes when Bloom, Kent, and others were still involved.

[Sylph]

I ask the same.

I think I might get back to my analogy with that crazy swing in that crazy asylum.

Things in these Y&R threads are so mental, there is no evolution here. It's just all the same cr*p week after week.

I mean, people are free to believe whatever they want to believe in. But to one week realise your own illusions and then get back to them the next?! What's that?!

Maria is guilty of mismanagement, Hogan of recycling the same cr?p wherever he goes and Scott Hamner is just a hack. There is no other way to put it.

And since none of these people is going to get fired soon, we can just sit and "enjoy" the destruction.

[dm.]

It's true. There's no point of waiting and seeing if it can get better. When they disappoint you once, you might have a little bit of hope, but when they disappoint you over and over and over and over and over again, you need to realize that it's a done deal. They don't know what they are writing, they don't understand good writing and they never will.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Mark is enjoying parts of the show, even if he still has some reservations, but I do think he really wants this writing regime to work, so he's willing to pass the blame for their mistakes elsewhere.

But for many of us, this show is still crap and all the "changes" have been on the surface only, with no real depth or intrigue to back them up. This show is still creatively in shambles, just in a different way.

[Sylph]

Correct. You as a viewer (not you you, a viewer in general) need to be honest with yourself and accept the reality. Like I said not so long ago: We are done here.

The damage is so vast, so epic, you would need an impossibly gifted writer and several years to correct it. Plus, tons of money to finance the stories and actors, who need to be top notch.

None of this is going to happen, it will just keep plummeting.

Save a miracle or an asteroid hits Earth.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Sad, but true.

I still live for the day this poisonous writing regime is given their walking papers though, even if they're replaced by another recycled hack.

But oh well, the death of all daytime soaps is coming soon enough, nothing we can do about it...

[Sylph]

In order for Toups not to shoot us, let me move this here.

If a change occurs, like many have said it - only the co-HWs will be sacked.

And I kind of believe that might signify an improvement if they're replaced with people who know how to write.

[Sylph]

Mark is great. I really do mean that.

But Mark lacks perspective sometimes. I.e. Mark has been infatuated with this show for decades now. Had Mark given a chance to and not dismissed others shows as crap, he would have realised that Hogan Sheffer's writing follows a pattern. It is fascinating how Mark abandoned AMC and GH just-like-that when they immensely better-written than Y&R is now, but keeps giving Y&R a chance in this current state. Absolutely inexplicable.

And no, Mark, you don't need to explain yourself. I would love it, but you don't have to.

[Juliajms]

I think Mark and an analysis of his motivations, viewing habits and reasoning is off topic even in a potpourri thread.

[DRW50]

I do think Y&R is easier to watch right now than AMC or GH. I wouldn't say better-written, they are all poorly written, but I guess Y&R is now hollow enough to where you won't be as disgusted as you might be with Sonny or Zach or Ryan. At least as long as Victor's gone.

[Sylph]

I think Mark abandoned AMC and GH somewhere in late eighties? That was the period I was referring to, when they were better written.

And Julia, like I said: no explanation asked. It was just weird to me that you drop a late '80s AMC but defend 2009 Y&R.

[DRW50]

Oh. Sorry.

I think GH was supposed to be a bit of a mess in the late 80s, I can't remember. I know AMC was a bit uneven then. How they were compared to Y&R I couldn't say. That was a decent period for Y&R.

[Sylph]

Y&R was probably much better then if Mark decided to completely abandon these two.

I have to try to re-phrase again just as a question which doesn't seek an answer: why does someone abandon a soap in the eighties, which was much better written that Y&R in the year 2009, but not abandon a horror that is Y&R now, and even defending it while writing off other shows as lesser beings? Now I've made it even more confusing, but who understood, understood. Never mind.