It bothers me more when actors do a crappy job with good writing than with crappy writing and crappy producing.

I wish they would give Billy more family scenes.

Billy was a proud Abbott until Jack Smith made Jill a Chancellor.

It was all downhill from there.

Billy was a proud Abbott until Jack Smith made Jill a Chancellor.

It was all downhill from there.

There's always a weird undercurrent of shame with the Abbotts, except for Jack (who is the one we are repeatedly told lets his family down), and Traci (who is rarely seen). Billy and Ashley sometimes seem thrilled to not be a part of that family. And Abby was overjoyed to embrace her Newman roots, with the Abbott/Carlton ties an afterthought.

Edited October 20, 200916 yr by CarlD2

Where TPTB made the mistake was having him cause Ashley's fall & the rushed mop up of her miscarriage.

And then hire a sexual molestor to be her OB. Now they want us all to forgive Adam for throwing a fetus in the fireplace and cleaning up his step mother intimately after causing her to fall because he is showing a little guilt for taking Sharon's baby to make it up to Ashley. Unbelievable. He needs to be written off for a least a year to shake the stench off him, but these writers want to make him the new Victor and base the family around him.

Yes, that was a mistake. I didn't buy the Billy/Cane rivalry, I didn't buy that he would hate Cane so much, this big rivalry over Jill when Jill herself had little role in the story.

That's the thing there was no rivalry.

Their relationship consisted of Billy being marginalized & emotionally neglected by Katherine & Jill while they rushed to constantly fawned over Cane's idiotic ass.

Having them fight over Chloe yet neither of them actually wanted Chloe very much.

Being shackled to Chloe's schizo character for the first 6 months certainly didn't help.

TPTB wee so busy trying to decide what to do with Chloe they completely hosed Billy in the process.

Billy's here today gone tomorrow love for Lily. It was a bad intro

And that's where TPTB's "Billy is The New Jack" falls hella flat.

They had him fall madly in love with CKLily which Terry Lester's Jack would have NEVER done.

Then when they had him reconnect with the Abbotts they made sure we knew it was only because he was angry at Victor, not because he actually cared about his family. The people at this show have such a low opinion of family they almost seemed ashamed of having him genuinely love the Abbotts.

Exactly.

Billy loves his family.

For him to be so divorced from them until he needed something is some bull.

Oops, never mind. Mistook it for another thread....

Edited October 20, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Billy and Ashley sometimes seem thrilled to not be a part of that family.

That's been a HUGE issue with Ashley for a LONG time for various reasons.

Billy not so much.

And Abby was overjoyed to embrace her Newman roots, with the Abbott/Carlton ties an afterthought.

Another blatant bus throwing & Diamont/Sursok's firings didn't help.

Another blatant bus throwing & Diamont/Sursok's firings didn't help.

I still cringe at the memory of this Abby running into the ranch, yelling, "DADDY!!!" to Victor. It was so WRONG.

I never really knew why they toyed with Billy/Lily. I guess they wanted a story where the pure princess tames the bad boy, but it came out of nowhere, and quickly went back there.

The history is such a mess now. More recent viewers I know say stuff like, "Well Billy is right to be upset because he had a horrible childhood thanks to Jill. No one was there for him." They don't know that John raised him for some time. I think they believe that Jill put him in a military school or something.

The Pheila story in early 2007 was an LML story not a Jack Smith story. It was a critical miss, but a ratings hit for LML. It was a very short 6 week story and ended in the mid 4's when Lauren shot Sheila. Jack Smith wrote the Sheila story that involved Scotty returning and Sheila partnering with Tom in 2005. I don't really think MAB is going to go back to Sheila. She loves mining the 80s so maybe she is going back to a Shawn Garrett connection, the fan obsessed with Lauren.

Now if it Hogan Sheffer writing this story, then Sheila probably will be Ryder's mother and he will have her kill Lauren because her character has "balls" and wouldn't it be just grand to off the victim at the hands of her decades long tormentor. But still I don't think it is Sheila.

Well then Maria will certainly have to reverse LML's Sheila storyline. I forgot that Sheila was paired with Tom so it makes even more sense that Ryder is their hellspawn.

Well then Maria will certainly have to reverse LML's Sheila storyline.

It seems like half of MAB's tenure on this show has been about reversing past story directions, and even that she and her hack writing team can't do properly.

Edited October 20, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I still cringe at the memory of this Abby running into the ranch, yelling, "DADDY!!!" to Victor. It was so WRONG.

You aren't the only one.

Can't have Victor's kids not like him though.

I never really knew why they toyed with Billy/Lily.

Agenda driven writing at its finest.

The history is such a mess now. More recent viewers I know say stuff like, "Well Billy is right to be upset because he had a horrible childhood thanks to Jill. No one was there for him." They don't know that John raised him for some time. I think they believe that Jill put him in a military school or something.

That is the worst thing about Smith-Latham-Bell's regimes.

All the relationship complexity has been ruined to make things "easier" to handle for new viewers.

I never really knew why they toyed with Billy/Lily. I guess they wanted a story where the pure princess tames the bad boy, but it came out of nowhere, and quickly went back there.

I think somewhere it is written that all new men on Y&R between 15 and 32 have to be chemistry tested with the stars of the show CK and AF.

Billy wasn't so bad until they paired him with CF who he doesn't have an ounce of chemistry with.

Edited October 20, 200916 yr by BadZoe

It seems like half of MAB's tenure on this show has been about reversing past story directions, and even that she and her hack writing team can't do properly.

Each regime has mottos...

Smith "Twist A Plenty. Fail A Plenty."

Latham "What The Hell?!"

Bell "You're Doing It Wrong!"

stars of the show CK

That hurts to read.

Billy wasn't so bad until they paired him with CF who he doesn't have an ounce of chemistry with.

I don't see a lot with EH either, although that might be the writing (I don't believe that Billy has any real affection for Chloe). For me the real souring point with Billy was the fling with Sharon.

There....that was easy! Merged 5 pages.