Today's episode was embarrassingly bad. Who didn't laugh at those special agents, especially when they broke the wall to get that 99 cents painting/sketch?

God, could this art story and the Scobbies get any worse? It seems like they rush through other stories, but the ones that really suck the most, they drag them the hell out.

Do they really need to have Deacon forcing sex on Amber? On this show that hates women so much? Who is really surprised by these sh!tty/offensive story decisions?

Well, I'm on record as enjoying Deacon. And I didn't find his scenes with Amber as anything but playful....so far.

But what I was feeling was "poor BDW/SWs". Because all the backstory happened on another show. "April", "Little D", "Jackie and her boy toy"...all of that referenced another show. For a guy like me, who watches both and LOVES cross-overs, it was good. But for the average Y&R viewer??? That's a lot of baggage for the writers to carry.

I'm not understanding why Amber can't tell Daniel about Deacon? They didn't do anything too horrible together, that I recall.

ETA: I don't think Mac would encourage a deception (Cane stays hidden in the hideaway). She's all about forthright honesty. So, this stuff with Cane rings false to me.

I did like how JT seemed to be protecting Colleen.

Edited July 22, 200916 yr by MarkH

How does all this relate to what is going on with the couple????

Probably another thing they thought would be cool, but it fell terribly flat and seems stupid.

April was the singer, wasn't she?

But what was Jackie and her boy toy? Jackie, Nick's mom, wasn't on the show back then, was she? When I see her now and think of her back then, she's like a completely different character.

If Amber were 19 and still trying to discover herself, or if she was really feeling unhappy with Daniel for months- trying to express her true self this whole time and he was holding her back, maybe Deacon prying into her life by blackmailing her for sex would work to a certain extent...

Then again, it just wouldn't.

So I think Deacon must be lying to her. He must've seen how her designs have made her buckloads of cash and wants in on it, so he's lying to her, right? Right?

I mean, who wants to have cheap sex with woman you haven't seen in years?

Oh right, Billy.

I am not being sarcastic when I say Scooby Doo is far more enjoyable than the UnFab Four. Judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmR2Ban3jAM&feature=PlayList&p=0ED1EAC41FC556EA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21

April was the singer, wasn't she?

But what was Jackie and her boy toy? Jackie, Nick's mom, wasn't on the show back then, was she? When I see her now and think of her back then, she's like a completely different character.

If Amber were 19 and still trying to discover herself, or if she was really feeling unhappy with Daniel for months- trying to express her true self this whole time and he was holding her back, maybe Deacon prying into her life by blackmailing her for sex would work to a certain extent...

Then again, it just wouldn't.

So I think Deacon must be lying to her. He must've seen how her designs have made her buckloads of cash and wants in on it, so he's lying to her, right? Right?

I mean, who wants to have cheap sex with woman you haven't seen in years?

Oh right, Billy.

Yes, April was Amber's dark haired hitherto-unknown twin, the singer.

Jackie--Nick's mom--was Deacon's last lover before he left the show. During this time, Massimo had a paralyzing stroke, and Deacon taunted Mass about how he was gonna f*ck Jackie and Mass couldn't stop it.

Deacon and Amber were nice, but nothing in their backstory explains his driving lust for her now, or why she is hiding her past. Either something happened between them after they both left B&B or something... That said, since Amber and Deacon "share" a son, there is emotionally interesting territory to mine if they want.

Yes, April was Amber's dark haired hitherto-unknown twin, the singer.

Jackie--Nick's mom--was Deacon's last lover before he left the show. During this time, Massimo had a paralyzing stroke, and Deacon taunted Mass about how he was gonna f*ck Jackie and Mass couldn't stop it.

Deacon and Amber were nice, but nothing in their backstory explains his driving lust for her now, or why she is hiding her past. Either something happened between them after they both left B&B or something... That said, since Amber and Deacon "share" a son, there is emotionally interesting territory to mine if they want.

I can't believe that was the same character. She's a completely different person now, like Taylor. Only traces are left of them.

I think the tawdry element of Deacon and Amber's past was the fact that the baby was supposed to be Rick's and it was actually her cousin, Becky's and Deacon's right? Didn't Amber's baby with Usher die and she switched them? Something to that effect?

I can't believe that was the same character. She's a completely different person now, like Taylor. Only traces are left of them.

I think the tawdry element of Deacon and Amber's past was the fact that the baby was supposed to be Rick's and it was actually her cousin, Becky's and Deacon's right? Didn't Amber's baby with Usher die and she switched them? Something to that effect?

Amber f*cked both Usher and Rick in the same time frame. She was passing her baby off as Rick's, but was desperately afraid a brown baby would come out and give her away. She needed a white baby to trap those Forrester millions.

So she high-tailed it to mama's, to give birth in her Furnace Creek trailer. Sadly the (white) baby was stillborn. Fortunately, Amber's cousin Becky was nine months pregnant, and she didn't want to keep her baby. So Amber and Tawny took care of that, and passed "little Eric" off as Rick's.

As you know, later Becky wanted the baby back, but when she died tragically of cancer, she gave the child back to cuz Amber. Deacon eventually got the kid, although I don't remember how/why. Last we heard, the child was being raised by Becky's parents. I wonder what is happening now.

I'm pretty sure Deacon knows that backstory. That would frighten Amber into submission, I think. Baby switching is actually pretty wretched in the real world. Not as heinous as burning a fetus, obviously, but unethical nonetheless. I'm sure she doesn't want Daniel to know about that time of her reckless life.

Once Amber came to Genoa City, we had to know that B&B would continue to affect Y&R somehow. If it's Deacon, I'll take it for now. He's hilarious.

Daniel's mother is Phyllis, for goodness sake. Also, Daniel is no saint himself. Deacon should have very little power over Amber. Then again, that would require character-driven and not plot-driven writing.

Amber's babyswitch is small potatoes next to the crimes and felonies committed daily by the GC denizens. How creepy is Victor trying to crush Colleen? Ewww...

How does all this relate to what is going on with the couple????

Gilda: All my clothes are here, even my perfume. You think of everything, don't you, Johnny?

Cane "thought" of everything with the lies to marry Lily, the way Johnny thought of everything to get Gilda to marry him.

Johnny: Everything.

Johnny's a con man, lied to get Gilda to marry him, even though they were in love.

Gilda: We're right back where we started, aren't we, darling? Right back where--

Johnny: Right back where we started.

Gilda thinks they're in love - finds out Johnny's lying to him.

She still didn't believe I wasn't coming back. Every night, she got all dressed up and waited. A girl like Gilda couldn't stand not knowing the "Why" of things, so she decided to swallow her pride and come to see me. That was wonderful.

Johnny narrates the movie, so this wasn't his dialogue to her. This is narration. Gilda couldn't stand knowing why he had lied to her. So she sought him out. (See Lane spoilers/promo.)

Gilda: Hello, remember me? I'm Gilda, your wife, remember? You haven't been around lately. I thought maybe you were an amnesia victim or something.

Cue forshadowing.

Gilda: This vacuum I'm living in...

Gilda: Mind giving me a reason?

Johnny: Not at all. You've had such a full life up till now, I thought a little peace and quiet would do you good.

Gilda (Lily) feels like she's been living in a vacuum since her husband abandoned her. Cane thinks he's giving her peace and quiet by not going to the hospital.

Gilda: (Crying) Oh, Johnny, please let me go. Please let me go. (Sobs) I can't stand it anymore. I don't want anything from you, but please, just let me go. (Sobbing)

Gilda wants Johnny to disappear from her life again, to let her go. But in the movie, she falls apart on him, realizes she'll never be over him. And she can never let him go.

Edited July 22, 200916 yr by brimike

Gotta love how the only "true love" and "romantic" element on this show is Cane/Lily, who are hated as much as they are liked.

I could probably like these characters better if they were better defined and away from each other.

Edited July 22, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Gotta love how the only "true love" and "romantic" element on this show is Cane/Lily, who are hated as much as they are liked.

Ain't that the truth.

Daniel's mother is Phyllis, for goodness sake. Also, Daniel is no saint himself. Deacon should have very little power over Amber. Then again, that would require character-driven and not plot-driven writing.

Amber's babyswitch is small potatoes next to the crimes and felonies committed daily by the GC denizens. How creepy is Victor trying to crush Colleen? Ewww...

I love how you answered before I did.

I'm not even describing Amber's decisions as if I sympathize with them. I understand them as elements to move the plot along, nothing further. I just think this is what's driving her to prevent this information from Daniel because I'm giving TPTB the benefit of the doubt that they actually have some sort of dirt on Amber and her past as a pseudo-mother isn't really what she'd keep from Daniel.

Although, again, in real life, if you keep something like a child's existence from your lover, it's pretty unbelievable. Daniel doesn't even know about Little Eric, right? It would be detrimental to their relationship, that she never told Daniel about him. He would feel betrayed and disrespected, which is much worse than her telling him she had some sort of sordid past with Deacon.

So keeping Deacon's connection away from Daniel makes absolute sense to me, if this is what TPTB are working on. It's really the only thing that is solid... in my head LOL.

Otherwise, as it was since the beginning, this s/l sucks monkeyballs LOL.

Edited July 22, 200916 yr by rhythmchyc

Otherwise, as it was since the beginning, this s/l sucks monkeyballs LOL.

A guest appearance by Jesus, Buddha, and Mohamed couldn't "save" this storyline, dear.

A guest appearance by Jesus, Buddha, and Mohamed couldn't "save" this storyline, dear.

Um, don't you mean the truest and purest of all saints, Sabrina?