In principle, Y&R is dripping in legacy females (Colleen, Lily, Abby, Victoria, etc.).

True, we did not see them all grow up. But, when cast correctly, that didn't matter. (It doesn't matter that we didn't see Billy grow up either).

I fully acknowledge that killing Cassie was a HUGE choice, and very risky one. But in this case, I think it was TOTALLY worth it. This is such a deep rip in the canvas, we understand how it could have so fully f*cked up Nick and Sharon. So fully that the fallout is still playing -- in high crescendo (sorry...too symphonic?) today. TOTALLY worth it.

That's just my opinion...not trying to convince anyone. But for me, it was a truly transcendent moment -- literally, one that made Y&R better than good -- GREAT.

Yeah, but who's to say Camryn Grimes would have stayed (or what her acting would have become - look at Alderson on OLTL)? Most likely she might have, but who knows. And didn't Kimberly McCollough publicly bash GH a ton of times, and then eventually reprise the role. Plus, KM is not the best actress...

The point isn't acting ability, having a character and actor grow up with the audience builds a special type of bond that most soaps don't have, It creates a certain familiarity that can go a long way.

If Grimes didn't want to stay, they could have written her out without killing her. That way, they could bring her back whenever they wanted if Grimes wished to return.

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I never liked Nick or Sharon and had no real use for Cassie, but when she died it about broke my heart. It was embarrassing how I sobbed. Thank goodness I was alone. Watching the clip still makes me tear up after all this time. From that point, I had so much compassion for Nck and Sharon afterward. I wanted Nick and Sharon desperately to comfort each other and find their way through it together. I have never forgiven Nick for abandoning Sharon and turning to Phyllis. I still have a soft spot for Sharon, but I never want her back with Nick. What he did was beyond terrible. So for me, Cassie's death definitely changed how I viewed Nick and Sharon and it is one of the few deaths that has really had long lasting fall out.

I think the circumstances surrounding John's death were far worse than his death itself.

Yeah - he didn't deserve to go out like that, a jailed felon.

Yeah - he didn't deserve to go out like that, a jailed felon.

That, and the Fisher family.

I think the circumstances surrounding John's death were far worse than his death itself.

What do you mean? I'm fearing this is a Gloria dig! And yes, that earns a smilie.

I never liked Nick or Sharon and had no real use for Cassie, but when she died it about broke my heart. It was embarrassing how I sobbed. Thank goodness I was alone. Watching the clip still makes me tear up after all this time. From that point, I had so much compassion for Nck and Sharon afterward. I wanted Nick and Sharon desperately to comfort each other and find their way through it together. I have never forgiven Nick for abandoning Sharon and turning to Phyllis. I still have a soft spot for Sharon, but I never want her back with Nick. What he did was beyond terrible. So for me, Cassie's death definitely changed how I viewed Nick and Sharon and it is one of the few deaths that has really had long lasting fall out.

Totally spot-on correct! I HATED Nick. As he grew into family man, I liked him a bit more...but he kept screwing up (literally) with Grace. But Cassie's death, and grieving WITH her parents...totally changed my level of investment in and compassion for Sharon and Nick.

He's trying my sympathy right now, though.

That, and the Fisher family.

I knew it....

So, killing her, in such a typical adolescent way had more impact than a nuclear bomb.

Maybe Noah's death would have driven story for years...I acknowledge...but we (the audience) would not have felt it like we did Cassie's. This clip INSTANTLY puts me into tears. I doubt many other characters' deaths would have given us such a permanent, transcendent moment.

That is so true. Right until the end I was expecting Victor's doctor (or something!) to save the day. Then when I realized it wasn't going to happen I started weeping (then my mother the non soap watcher came into the room and said "what the hell is wrong with you?" ). It's impossible to explain that kind of reaction to people who don't watch soaps. Now, I am never spoiler free because I don't want to be ambushed like that again. If I could change it, I probably would, but Sharon Case was perfect in those scenes and I am not a Sharon Abbott fan as a rule.

In principle, Y&R is dripping in legacy females (Colleen, Lily, Abby, Victoria, etc.).

True, we did not see them all grow up. But, when cast correctly, that didn't matter. (It doesn't matter that we didn't see Billy grow up either).

The casting for all of those characters suck, hence, partly Y&R has a big trouble with its next generation. Bad casting and even worse writing for them.

Oh, well, not like this show is going to be around for its next generation to take over anyway.

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The point isn't acting ability, having a character and actor grow up with the audience builds a special type of bond that most soaps don't have, It creates a certain familiarity that can go a long way.

If Grimes didn't want to stay, they could have written her out without killing her. That way, they could bring her back whenever they wanted if Grimes wished to return.

Yes, but having her die also reminds the audience how tragic life can be. It would have been nice seeing Camryn continue to grow up on screen, but four years later and her death is still affecting the canvas and viewers. I think in the end, the death itself worked nicely (not the best phrasing of words, LoL).

Paul and Ashley already fizzled in the chemistry test.

Maybe by then B&B will be tired of him, and Bill Spencer Jr. can come shake up the Genoa City Chronicle. Or Amber's ex, Rick Forrester, can come to B&B and pick up where he left off with his cougar Ashley.

Oooh you gav em an idea -

Deacon! That'd be hot!

That is so true. Right until the end I was expecting Victor's doctor (or something!) to save the day. Then when I realized it wasn't going to happen I started weeping (then my mother the non soap watcher came into the room and said "what the hell is wrong with you?" ). It's impossible to explain that kind of reaction to people who don't watch soaps. Now, I am never spoiler free because I don't want to be ambushed like that again. If I could change it, I probably would, but Sharon Case was perfect in those scenes and I am not a Sharon Abbott fan as a rule.

TOTALLY. Exactly.

I had no CLUE that Cassie was going to die. But suddenly, when the doctors were being so pessimistic with Victor, I turned to my fellow viewers and said "Oh my God, they're not going to KILL Cassie, are they? They'd never do that!" I still get goosebumps thinking about that moment.

When Barry Manilow did that montage song ("I am your child") I knew what was coming. For DAYS I was gripped by the horror of watching her march to death, and nothing ANY of us could do about it. Because it was Cassie, it felt like a real personal tragedy. The montages clarified how long we'd loved her.

Best. death. ever. (IMO)

Ashley and Neil?

The casting for all of those characters suck, hence, partly Y&R has a big trouble with its next generation. Bad casting and even worse writing for them.

Here we totally agree.

Yes, but having her die also reminds the audience how tragic life can be. It would have been nice seeing Camryn continue to grow up on screen, but four years later and her death is still affecting the canvas and viewers. I think in the end, the death itself worked nicely (not the best phrasing of words, LoL).

Yes, exactly.

Oooh you gav em an idea -

Deacon! That'd be hot!

Fail!

TOTALLY. Exactly.

I had no CLUE that Cassie was going to die. But suddenly, when the doctors were being so pessimistic with Victor, I turned to my fellow viewers and said "Oh my God, they're not going to KILL Cassie, are they? They'd never do that!" I still get goosebumps thinking about that moment.

When Barry Manilow did that montage song ("I am your child") I knew what was coming. For DAYS I was gripped by the horror of watching her march to death, and nothing ANY of us could do about it. Because it was Cassie, it felt like a real personal tragedy. The montages clarified how long we'd loved her.

Best. death. ever. (IMO)

Kudos to Melody Thomas Scott for putting that montage together.

Ashley and Neil?

He's such a stuffed shirt d-bag. I don't know. I need a woman to humanize him again.

I actually liked that Carmen Mesta helped him find his jazz side. But now...he's a philandering indecisive horndog...just like Nick.

Kudos to Melody Thomas Scott for putting that montage together.

Are you serious?

Really?

It was superb.