Members Juliajms Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 I miss TL's Jack as well, but I think what Jack said today makes sense. How many times has he failed at marriage because he gave up too quickly. In his own words he's "thrown people away". I think throwing people away is kind of a young man's game. *looks at Billy* I can completely believe that a 50 year old Jack has changed into someone who is a lot more willing to accept people faults and all. Now that Sharon has screwed him over, maybe he'll turn into a more bitter Jack again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Whew! Deep! Wow! Yes, if your theory is right, and Jack has "evolved", then it will be interesting to see if he can maintain that in the face of Adam's evil deeds against Ashley, Victor's single-minded purpose for revenge, Mary Jane's machinations, Nick continuing in Sharon's orbit, troublesome younger brother Billy. It would be very difficult for someone to remain a 'better man' in the presence of all those temptations to backslide into bitterness. I liked your line about "living breathing symbol of what a deplorable human being he was". (By the way...when John finally said what I was thinking -- Jack, you SLEPT WITH YOUR FATHER'S WIFE--the writers earned a point or two with me! But using John in this new more effective way -- a voice for his whole family -- is what I always wanted when they decided to go the ghost-route). It's not just Billy who is a reminder. It is also, we think, soon, Mary Jane. He will be confronted with the lifetime of scars he created. But I am confused...whom has Jack ever "thrown away"? There was Patty, sure. And maybe Phyllis (when he chose revenge on Victor rather than Phyllis)--but in the end it was Phyllis who did the decisive throwing. I guess he threw away Diane...but she threw him away first. Nikki definitely was the discarder, not the discarded. I guess my point is that Jack was a louse...but his use of women as disposable items really ended with Terry Lester. With regard to women, Jack's been the committed doggy since PB took over and married Nikki. I wish I could get on this Shack train . But because Sharon has never, for an instant, given her heart to him...it is hard for me. I wonder if Sharon Case will EVER play love (not gratitude) with Bergman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Bring back Phack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 No thanks. It may happen, but I'm not interested in seeing that at all. I'm ready for all of the people in the quad to take a bit f a rest. The cast is big enough that it would be doable at least short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Adam Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jack and Phyllis' scenes this week were golden and reminded me and I think reminded most people how brilliant these two were together. I definitely think once all the Patty Jane stuff is resolved, Jack and Phyllis will definitely be back together romantically. Michelle Stafford has got to be the comeback story of the year in daytime. Her acting has risen to another level here after years of showing no enthusiasm or growth as an actress. I am back to loving my girl Phyllis! Everyone involved in this quad (except Josh Morrow) is giving us emmy worthy stuff. It really has elevated Sharon Case too. She has never had a story like this. Its fantastic to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 I don't mean immediately, I meant over time. The last thing I want is another bore like Phick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 At this point, it would feel like Phyllis is settling for Jack. She said right to his face two days ago that she loved Nick more. Maybe I could buy them in a few years, but right now it would just feel like a default pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapydoc Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nope. She was very clear with fans last fall that, to her, Shack was just together for a couple of years to make it look good. Now, that was the actress speaking and not TPTB. The show had other ideas because even after she spoke out to fans, they still had them "together" in some way. Perhaps she has changed her mind but I see no evidence of it. I'm also biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 That comment was absurd, Nick hasn't done half of what Jack's done for her. Maybe seeing her marriage crumble propelled Phyllis to say that, but I still don't perceive Phick to have half the depth that Phack did and STILL have. I guess Phyllis probably thought that after years of failed relationships and her being the source of most of the dysfunction, she was going to finally have a happy family. But this time, it wasn't her screwing things up, it was Nick. But she should know once a cheater, always a cheater. They began a marriage out of an affair, did she really expect Nick to always be faithful to her and not have any trust issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 I definitely agree on eventually having Phack back... but I never want to see Shack/Phick again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Agreed. I think that Sharon needs to get single, figure herself out, and then merge with someone who will FINALLY INJECT FUN INTO HER LIFE. Yes, Billy. Jack needs to be ALONE. Embittered, lonely Jack works best for me. Phyllis needs to be pursued by a wonderful man who loves her for whom she is...and he needs to (through his love) build her confidence and self-esteem. Nick..well...needs a plane crash. Best of all in the above scenario: Chloe is a free agent! Poor P3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Jack F. Smith loved Nick and Sharon and Jack and Phyllis separately, so he couldn't resist bringing these two couples together in some way. The only bad thing is, they've been stuck together ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 In which case, Phyllis better stay clear of Jack because he's been a cheater too. Actually, so is Phyllis. Anyway, being in love with someone isn't about what they can do for you. If it were, Sharon should be in love with Jack. I don't see any depth with Phack at this point. Phyllis never would have dissed him like she did if she had any consideration for him at all. I'd much rather see Jack and Phyllis both find new people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Well, I'm not sure it was absurd, but I respect your opinion. I thought Phyllis was speaking her heart. Alas, Nick is going to stomp all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted May 29, 2009 Members Share Posted May 29, 2009 Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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