But Diane flew a jet already.

Here's something I don't understand: if Patty Jane never flew in a jet before, then how did she get to GC in the first place? Stagecoach?

True, but if/when you do after the age of, oh, twenty-five? It's not as fun anymore -- and in fact, it's really sad.

25?

Oh no, thats still super young. But then again i go to the biker bar and party it up with people in the 30-60 age range, so...

EXACTLY!

You cant use anything she has said as fact. Altho, who did she say that too? Victor? because Victor would know Diane has been on jet.

Yes... I don't think it's Diane. And if she ever would come back, AD is the first person they should ask.

Haiduk is great as Mary Jane, and I hope they'll find a way to keep her no matter what happens. If she turns out to be Patty, she will have a family and there are many ways for her to be kept on the show.

Here's something I don't understand: if Patty Jane never flew in a jet before, then how did she get to GC in the first place? Stagecoach?

Perhaps just on a regular plane?

Here's something I don't understand: if Patty Jane never flew in a jet before, then how did she get to GC in the first place? Stagecoach?

She could have lived there with the Abbotts and left with her car or something.

Does GC have a train station?

But, aren't all "regular planes" jets? That's how airlines refer to them, anyways.

I dunno, maybe Patty Jane's a Greyhound gal? *shrugs*

But, aren't all "regular planes" jets? That's how airlines refer to them, anyways.

I dunno, maybe Patty Jane's a Greyhound gal? *shrugs*

Ehh, idk. But when i think of a Jet i think of a spacious room that can fly. Leather sofas and end tables and a bar and stuff like that. for me a plane vs a jet is like a limo vs a school bus

Also, i missed some parts of Y&R today - why was heather in adam's closet?

Also, i missed some parts of Y&R today - why was heather in adam's closet?

Hiding from The Mustache.

Hiding from The Mustache.

Awww, i should have known that.

So Adam didnt stand up to his father and demand he let his girlfriend come see him? Or did he and Vic just LOLed and walked away?

Awww, i should have known that.

So Adam didnt stand up to his father and demand he let his girlfriend come see him? Or did he and Vic just LOLed and walked away?

No, they were talking about Adam's eyesight.

Victor

will see Heather tomorrow downstairs and the usual bickering will ensue.

I would think Mary Jane was referring to a private jet,which Victor would make use of.

Polygamy may be illegal... but Khan... jp... Cashton... I want us to move to the Big Love compound so that I can marry your posts!

In the end, I think it's fantastic to have as many views as possible about, well, any subject, and not just Y&R. My only wish is that all views and arguments receive equal consideration (something even I will cop to struggling with from time to time), and not to have one post-er's opinion(s) shot down just because the majority happens to think differently, or the post-er-in-question has a reputation on the threads which is less than sterling. We don't have to agree, obviously, and none of us should make swaying the "other side" to ours the only goal; but most of us (again, myself included) need to exercise a little more patience, tolerance and respect toward others. (And if that fails, then just add 'em to your "Ignore User(s)" List and move on.)

That's all I have to say about that subject, really.

You had me at "hello."

I find that sad. really really sad. Habit? If people hate something as much as some people here hate soaps they are watching IMHO they should quit. Find a hobby, take a walk, take a nap. turn the channel and watch something different. But then again, im one of those kinda so happy its annoying people usually. I just let the bad stuff go and embrace the good. Life is to great to waste hours watching a show i hate and then even more posting about how much i hate it.

THIS POST!

This is fantastic. Its amazing. Im gonna label it EPIC.

And complete and utter word to everything! Esp the last bit, but ill get back to that.

I honestly couldnt agree with you more re the storyline. However, they really dont bother me. And this is why... Ok, well the billy/chloe thing does bother me because its so forced and such a plot point and a stupid one that doesn't work at that. The only good thing bout that is Billy Miller & Liz H are fantastic and work hard to try and make it at least watchable. I am able to enjoy the performances. The Patty Jane storyline is predictable for me in the means of who she is, obvious Patty. Manny have thought it since she came onto the show. But for me im not viewing the story s a mystery as to who this women is, but rather what shes going to do. The winters suck, nothing more to say about that. The triangle... i agree 100% that you cant root for anybody in it, however they are all so fascinating to watch for me. these three people just keep [!@#$%^&*] up their lives and loves and i find it rather compelling.I also for the first time ever somewhat care about Sharon. I agree with you on all those characters, except Daniel/Amber. I really think those two are magical when they are on screen together and have something good to play and wish the show would ply them up again. I fully agree about the fisher-baldwins too.

So everything isnt perfect for me, i have a lot of things i wish would be tweeked, but for me there is nothing i find unwatchable and there is plenty of stuff im loving. But again, thats just my view. Also, i think a lot of it has to do with how you view the storyline. Someone see the Ashley and the Mary Jane storyline as a mystery to solve, for me im almost certain Adam is gas lighting Ash and MJ is patty, so for me its more about whats next. there are they taking this. what gonna be the fallout, etc...

I so love your last part here. I agree. I wish we all could respect each others views and opinions and discuss things. Im not saying im mr perfect poster by far, but there are so many personal attacking and calling out and mocking of other posters its kind of sad. If you dont like a poster that much, ignore them. (i know i could practice what i preach, yet im sure ill still get called out for this...)

Break out the press-on-nails, baby! This post and I are gittin' hitched!

Ok, folks, here's my drunk opus about Mary Jane.

So many think she's going to be a villain-of-the-month and a small blip on the radar. I think she'll be one of Y&R's most infamous villainesses ever. Why? Cause of Stacy Haiduk. Today's episode showed me that. With her scenes with Phyllis, she was supposed to brainstorm new ideas for Jabot and RS. She gave up and went immediately to Jack. Her almost child-like innocence was brilliant. She's still the geek wanting to get her Prince - Jack. The vulnerability SH gives is off-the-charts. When she first appeared with Victor, telling him all about how she liked Jack eating-out-of-her-hand, the thrill of it, i could tell she was not your ordinary soap villainess. She has a heart and her jealousy and resentment is her weakness.

Please keep in mind, we don't know what's happened to her in these 25+ years she's been away. She's going to be very sympathetic when we learn everything. And when she falls in love with someone other than Jack - when "that guy" (who I have no clue will be ) finds something remarkable in her and falls truly in love with her, we'll get a well-rounded woman who won't end up in some sweeps event thought dead - we'll get a woman who is very much like all the soap heroines, just mad about love and who wants to be loved.

With SH in the role, I think she can become as popular as Phyllis, who was once evil and manipulative (and who now is the most popular character according to SOD polls). Paul is important - her brother is the moral center of the show. I can see a friendship with Nikki blooming. Bottom line - she's got issues and she's going to do terible things, but I see her as being an integral character for Y&R in the future. Only time will tell , but I'm loving her performance and the writing thus far for her.

[When Harry Met Sally]Yes, yes, YES! YES![/When Harry Met Sally]

I love her, too. It's rare that I take to newbies so quickly on a soap, but I do with SH and Mary Jane. There is something as scary as Sheila about her -- and the reason Sheila was so scary was because she was human. Human and vulnerable and relatable. Once we saw that vulnerability we knew how unpredictable Sheila would be. MJ is the same -- and her humanistic, flawed reactions, I think, are her saving grace, too. If Phyllis and Michael are any indication, MJ could be redeemed down the line. And her path from plotting to Da Crazy to redemption could be fascinating to watch, as long as the lovely Miss Haiduk keeps playing her. Yes, I know y'all hate the Baldwins, but Michael was once one of my favorite characters for a long time.

He definitely had it with AL, and I think he has it with AF as well. I think he does much better with more aggressive females than with ones who are sort of passive like Lilly and Jana.

I agree here. And remember Jana USED to be aggressive. It is a loss that she no longer is.

They did. Her name was Lynn Marie Latham.

Yes, I know, hence my post.

I only started watching this show in the LML era, about a month before Carmen Mesta was killed.

With no preconceptions of how a character would or wouldn't act, and no nostalgic longing for scenes opening with close-ups of bouquets, I found her show to be much better written than the show that currently exists. Her stories were paced better, she played character beats better, and the dialogue was definitely much more engaging, especially on the episodes credited to Bernard Lechowick.

I think everyone was too wrapped up in the hysteria of 'this isn't the way my Y&R is supposed to be!' to realize that it was a actually a very good soap opera.