I am really interested to know. I do not like Kay Alden, everyone knows that , and I'm not really all that much into Maria Arena's writing either...

Both have (strong) supporters here so perhaps this shall be interesting.

As of right now, Kay Alden for sure.

- The Takeover

- Billy/Mac

- Crazy Tricia kills Ryan

- The return of Matt Clarke

Maybe in time, MAB will have more better stories because as of right now, she only has one (Katherine's "death") under her belt.

I am not a fan of MAB but I have to say that Marge/Katherine 2008 was the BEST storyline on soaps in 10 years. But it soon went in directions that were really stupid. It is always tough in a film on how to end the movie, that;s what that storyline reminded me of. But for the 1st 3/4 of it, i felt like I was watching Bill Bell's work. The rest of the show was a bore though..

And, BINGO Toups on your storyline choices..

I find Maria's show very cold, clinical, slow, and not in a good way. There is an understate-edness about the stories, sluggishness. And all of these big events heavily promoted since the Latham days- the garage collapse, the Sabrina/David Chow accident- I am always strangely disappointed, everything comes off too subdued for my tastes.

I really hope you are joking, because if not expect some more scolding coming your way. Respected the history? Exactly how did that woman respect the show's history when she systematically dismantled the Abbott family capping it off by killing off John?

Where was this woman's respect for history when she decided it would be a good idea to say Jill's son had not died, and was actually alive because Kay switched the babies at birth?

I agree about the baby switching part.. but the death of John Abbott? The man had his FIRST heart attack 25 years ago, jsut how long was the old geezer supposed to live? I agree that JS had writtne John Abbott into a corner, if I were LML, I would have done the same thing. HOWEVER, the intital lfush of LML's reign was good, when Kay Alden was still there to reign her in. When Kay Alden left, it went to hell on the concorde.

jsut how long was the old geezer supposed to live?

As long as Jerry wanted to stay.

As long as Jerry wanted to stay.

I'm really torn on this. Part of me agrees with DeeeDee, that Jerry shoudl have been a part of the canvas for as long as JD wanted to remain active. But on the other hand, I do think it did great things for the character of Jack. Alastair? Bad idea - never should have been done. But Jack/Ashley/Billy now having to make decisions (sometimes bad ones) without the consultation of their dear old dad is fascinating to me, as they struggle through their lives.

Honestly, as long as they continue to keep John "alive" in the sense that it's difficult for the Abbott kids to always do the right thing, then I guess I'm okay with the decision to kill John. It was heart-breaking and tragic. It sucks, but hey - it's death. Sometimes it comes out of left field, doesn't make any sense, and leaves a long-lasting wound that never really heals. And that in and of itself is an interesting story.

But then again - oh, how I miss John Abbott...

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It sucks, but hey - it's death.

It was horrible.

Maureen Bauer horrible.

Someone had to do it. And as always, some of us repeat it ad nauseam, the problem is in the way Latham did it.

And the ghost didn't help matters.

And the ghost didn't help matters.

Thankfully we didn't see him for more than 3 months.

But no one cares about either one of those stories. LOL.

Lauren swallowed this show whole during LML's reign of terror. And Tracey E. Bregman isn't a strong enough actress to carry a story of her own. And Michael and Lauren are boring as hell.

I...

I dont... I dont know what to say. And that my friends (and frienemies) is a first.

Okay. so i absorbed this. And im okay now.

Well, I kind of agree with bellcurve: she didn't really swallow it and it's not that she is not strong enough. She was just given bad material. She and Michael need to be split ASAP and Lauren needs to be turned into a temptress, husband-stealer and all-round sexual velociraptor — a menace, a lethal combination of beauty and ruthlessness which you just cannot resist. Today.

I don't think it was horrible, I think it was realistic, and considering how many people languish in nursing homes for YEARS before they die... the conflict of whether to disconnect life support, etc... that was heart wrenching, and bringing Beth Maitland in with her acting chops jsut hit it out of the park, the death of John Abbott would not have played NEARLY so well without her. BUT... the subsequent Ghost/Alastair crap took a dramatic, watershed SL and watered it down and made a joke of it. When he died... he just should have DIED.

BUT... the subsequent Ghost/Alastair crap took a dramatic, watershed SL and watered it down and made a joke of it. When he died... he just should have DIED.

That's the thing.

Well, I kind of agree with bellcurve: she didn't really swallow it and it's not that she is not strong enough. She was just given bad material. She and Michael need to be split ASAP and Lauren needs to be turned into a temptress, husband-stealer and all-round sexual velociraptor — a menace, a lethal combination of beauty and ruthlessness which you just cannot resist. Today.

I TOTALLY disagree with this. It is a disservice to the personal growth the character has showed over the decades, culimnating with that WONDERFUL apology she gave to Traci after Kay's funeral. She MATURED, and I would not have her backslide into come conniving shrew, or a bitch. We have JILL to be the bitch, and we have big red for the Conniving shrew... we don't need another one. To make the character more viable, I would have put her up against Gloria. She's accepted Gloria, but I would have loved to see Lauren finally get fed up with Glo and her machinations, putting her husband at risk with her unethical and sometimes illegal "demands" on him. I could see her not letting Fen bve around her, this causing tension in her marriage... etc.... you don't lay waste to all THIS:

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I think it was realistic

It wasn't realistic at all to me.

It was LML's way of "making her mark" & eliminating another Abbott to prop The Baldwin-Fishers.

If John had to die it should only have been if Jerry wanted to leave.

I TOTALLY disagree with this. It is a disservice to the personal growth the character has showed over the decades, culimnating with that WONDERFUL apology she gave to Traci after Kay's funeral. She MATURED, and I would not have her backslide into come conniving shrew, or a bitch. We have JILL to be the bitch, and we have big red for the Conniving shrew... we don't need another one. To make the character more viable, I would have put her up against Gloria. She's accepted Gloria, but I would have loved to see Lauren finally get fed up with Glo and her machinations, putting her husband at risk with her unethical and sometimes illegal "demands" on him. I could see her not letting Fen bve around her, this causing tension in her marriage... etc.... you don't lay waste to all THIS:

BAM! That's not what I was saying. At all. That whole "Conniving shrew" crap and all.

To make the character more viable, I would have put her up against Gloria. She's accepted Gloria, but I would have loved to see Lauren finally get fed up with Glo and her machinations, putting her husband at risk with her unethical and sometimes illegal "demands" on him. I could see her not letting Fen bve around her, this causing tension in her marriage

YES.

Lauren's maturity is definitely good but means nothing if all she does is prop The Fishers.

Someone had to do it. And as always, some of us repeat it ad nauseam, the problem is in the way Latham did it.

And the ghost didn't help matters.

I honestly can't think of any time a ghost on ANY soap helped matters. EVER.

Wait, that's not true. I thought Duke and Harper appearing to Jack Devereaux during his redemption years *occasionally* helped matters. But only because it's Days, and I buy that over-the-top tragi-comedy aspect on that show. Beyond that, I'm hard-pressed to think of any time a ghost added to a storyline in a positive way.