Members DaytimeFan Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 This is a love letter to Brad Bell, The production revolution at B&B has been developing nicely for a little while now. During this time production has nicely fused inside and outside, background music with 'popular' sounding music and a different sort of pacing and camera work. I love it. What B&B has done is what GL will never, ever be able to achieve, a production model that is strikingly similar to the fabled UK soap. B&B has succeeded where GL failed. It's now obvious that the only way to do the UK model is to spend the money and do it right. The hand held bullsh*t that GL 'innovated' is NOT UK style. The stationary camera work at B&B is second to none, the lighting is superb, the sound is wonderful. Congratulations Brad, you did it right, you nailed it, I am impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 LMAO. I still prefer three videotape cameras pointed at a three-wall set with lots of light, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaytimeFan Posted August 16, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 That's fine, you're just a purist, I have total respect for that. I'm just happy that 'innovation' on B&B doesn't equal 'looking like dogsh*t' like it does on GL. It also helps that you feature Morgan Fairchild AND Joan Collins in your posts. Terrific! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 Yeah, I'm with you. I wish the traditional soap look was still in vogue, but if there has to be some innovation, I prefer B&B's way of doing it. There are no random camera cuts to 10 miles away from characters having an extremely pointless conversation in the middle of "Green Acres." What better way to be guaranteed a look at both of them at least once a day, right? I love those ladies lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DrewH Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 Aside from the outside scenes we get now, I hate B&B's new "production revolution." I think it cheapens the show a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 I think production also includes writing and writing has been dreadful. He should fix that as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nicknack Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 The cinematography is good (cabana scenes!!) but the editing is terrible. I know next to nothing about editing, but I know that if it is so annoying that I actively notice it, then they are doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 Oh, I don't know.... Your post makes me wonder if I have a blind spot or some kind of deficit that I can't appreciate or enjoy what you are seeing... So, my basis of comparison is Y&R. I feel that is a fair comparison for B&B, given their shared legacies and colocation in the same studio. I think I may also be having the problem that on my CBS affliate, the non-HD broadcasts are HORRIBLE. On every TV, this affiliate sends signals that look like they are vaseline-filtered. It gets worse on a 42" 1080p screen...because the lousy signal is too big...exposing all the flaws. When Y&R comes on, there is clearly some kind of visible "switch" (the screen flickers) to a "CBS HD" feed...which is remarkable. Y&R looks cinematic...and B&B doesn't. For me, the rock-and-role and quick cuts are okay...they don't bother me...until the camera suddenly stops...and we have these lingering, static shots of a REMARKABLY wrinked Jack Wagner or some such. There is SUCH a lack of match between what is seen in the scenes and their transitions... Like Toups, I'm also not "feeling" the new music. When Katie and Nick's scene is underscored by some tripe about "destiny" my eyes roll. Instrumentals are better. So, I wish B&B had gone to rocky-but-instrumental soundtracks, rather than what they have. Still, I would enjoy the new music more if the scene pacing and within-scene camera work would better match the transitions. And I DON'T mean the camera doing three quick "jumps" or "staggers" as they close up on Jack Wagner's face. In the end, this may be a place where Marceline's nostalgia hypothesis makes me a resistant viewer. Because I LOVE the beautiful, sumptuous comfort of Y&R...and B&B is no longer comfortable for me. It puts me on edge, and not in a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JamesF Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 I'm going to wade in here too and say that I've never seen B&B be such an incoherent mess, in every conceivable way. At least GL knows what it's trying to be. People are applauding B&B for introducing 'gradual' changes but to me its just choppy and unsettling. First off: Amen. Even during Bradley's most recycled, ridiculous story phases there was always something salvageable and I never thought there'd be a time when I'd find literally every character on the show to be so bland, boring and unappealing. I don't give a [!@#$%^&*] about any of the characters or stories I'm seeing on my screen. Why bring back Beth Logan if she doesn't have any storyline with Eric or Stephanie, her peers? She's just a weird, twittering woman with hints of senile dementia that apparently have similar symptoms to living in Stepford. Dreadful. Marcus/Steffy? Fine if it felt like it was related to anything else on the show and wasn't just a random summer storyline. I don't care what Ellen Wheeler says. This is The Hills lite. I hated Ambervision as much as the next sane viewer but it at least intersected the other important story points. I can't even get into the stupid, nauseating, pathetic Katie/Nick/Bridget mess. Absolute steaming [!@#$%^&*]. Do they honestly think this is what the viewers are crying out for? Bottom line, you know you're losing Susan Flannery you do it properly. Give her a semblance of an exit storyline and put a hell of a lot of thought into shaping a HUGE new chapter for the show instead of some half hearted infiltration of pretty youngsters. As for the technical aspects, it's just another example of the complete turmoil and identity crisis the show is in. You can't have Beth Logan making goeey eyes at pregnancy test boxes amidst a background of a soaring orchestrals segueing into Steffy and Marcus sucking face on the beach. Similarly I can't handle quick jump cut shots of LA taking us to Nick cupping Katie's overexposed face on a fake terrace and spouting the most ridiculous dialogue this side of Passions. It's like two different (and equally shite) shows! Why did Forrester Creations of ALL locations need an exterior? If they wanted to get outside then Bradley should have given up his poolside for filming a couple of mornings a week. I've stated on the board before that I'm all for enhanced production methods and exteriors but not if they're implemented at random. B&B to me is unwatchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nicknack Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 I'm beginning to miss Ambervision too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 In contrast to the show, this is one of the most coherent posts about B&B EVER. My goodness, I thought I was missing the point about Beth. To bring her back as this talk-to in 1950s garb is....astonishing. What is the point? They're alright. I guess B&B must have one of those lower-cost production models now, where they bring in the actors to shoot their week worth of scenes all in one day. When they do that, the story groups can't intersect. I find this story foisted upon us and boring. I do not see the chemistry that everyone else sees (although it is better than Rick-Phoebe or HORRORS Constantine-Phoebe. I cannot imagine how a story could be more awful. I lack words to explain why it is awful. That these a-list actors are wasted in this age-13 awfulness is even worse. That these writers are capable of much more makes it EVEN worse. Just awful at every level. Moreover, universally, everyone posting agrees with this--everywhere. But still it persists. The irony is that Wagner and Tom had decent chemistry. Until...well...the whole sh*t with the bullet-through-the-heart began. Amen. I've been trying to say a version of that for weeks now...but you have hit the nail on the head. Again, brilliantly stated. The pacing and writing of the scenes (which is still classic Bell mushy overdramatic...and I personally love that) in NO WAY matches this new rocky scene transition thing. They have to do one show OR another. But maybe B&B now is like "growing your hair out". They are transitioning to something new, but we're in this in-between stage where it looks awful. Since these locations are now CBS-wide (not yet Y&R, which disappointed me by not actually going to Malibu), I wonder how much of this was network mandate. Finally, back to the dialogue. As I wrote elsewhere, I thought Friday's show...so florid...was a Patrick Mulcahy production. I am not the guy here who always listens to the dialogue...but I hear Patrick's. (This is not a good thing.) Imagine my surprise to read that Jack Smith did Friday's show. I guess the good news is that there is an increasingly consistent "voice" at B&B. The bad news is it is...to use your word...shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skiman12082004 Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 Sorry but B&B is an absolute MESS! I have been watching from the beginning so I have seen the show gradually change over the years. However, what we are seeing is in no way enhancing or making the show better. It just makes me really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JamesF Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 The only possible reason for bringing her back is that they want a sounding board for Katie who has no romantic connection with Nick (yet). God forbid she actually has a you know, friend. There's a character in EastEnders called Jean Slater who is there for mentally unhinged comedy relief and playing a supporting role in her childrens' storylines. That is the current Beth Logan. One of those strange women who try to engage you in inane conversation in a supermarket queue. Not exactly B&B. The acting's fine but I don't know who the hell they are. Instead of being eased in to the overall canvas they're part of this New! B&B! and that instantly makes me dislike them. It's prejudice, I'll admit but until they're integrated I'm not interested. I'd like to see Ridge and Brooke have a more active involvement with them but they've been turned into the Tom and Margo of B&B (and I find Tom and Margo to be one of the creepiest couples in daytime but that's an opinion for another thread). Polygamy? Poor, poor, POOR Ashley Jones. Imagine getting a role on the glamour soap of daytime and being placed in two romances with men 30 years your senior complete with added 'hints of incest'. The one time she dares get a romance with a more age appropriate man and Lesli Kay hits her in the face with a bunch of lillies. I like that analogy. It makes me feel hopeful. As for the dialogue I've not given it any thought because I find it totally draining to watch. Katie and Nick may as well be talking like Terrence and Phillip for all the interest I have in their scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AddictedToSoaps Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 ITA. Especially the writing, it's god awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members y&r_fan Posted August 17, 2008 Members Share Posted August 17, 2008 How is the Katie/Nick/Bridget triangle any worse than the Brooke/Nick/Bridget triangle or the Bridget/Nick/Felicia triangle or the Ridge/Brooke/Nick triangle? Or even that dreadful "scrambled eggs" storyline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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