I recently moved and going through old boxes with notes taken when watching the SN show airings and  notes reading the SN forum over the years and I had questioned how old was Faith when Judith died.

In 1976 -- Roger told Delia he was 10 when his mother died - -that means Jill was 11 and Faith was 5 (In 1977, Roger told Rae he was 5 years older that Faith  and was 1 year younger that Jill.) 

In 1980, Faith recalled Roger getting in trouble when she was 16 and Judith not punishing him. In 1981, Faith tells Aristotle Benedict White the story of smoking cigarettes with Judith while they watched the film Now, Voyager -- she said she was 13 at the time. 

Back in 1977 when Miriam was introduced -- she tells Seneca that after Mrs. Coleridge died -- she brought up Jill and  Faith --and did the best she could with Roger. That fits with the Coleridge kids being young when Judith died.

A few weeks later, Jill and Miriam talk about  Miriam moving in with the family for one summer ( Miriam sent her kids to stay with her sister down south) Jill said she was 11 or 12 at the time. It was the first time Jill felt like she had a mother.

If Faith was older at the time, over 16,  Jill would be 22 and Roger 21 or older --  it would be odd for Miriam to say she was raising Jill and Roger at that older age. Seeing how Jill felt about the Coleridge house never feeling like her home -- I always figured she moved out at 18. 

 Several other things Faith mentioned over the years -- When Pat proposed to Faith -- she mentioned observing her parents marriage as a teenager (this would be before Miriam was introduced)--  recalling how Ed and Judith would sit in the parlor and discuss their day (I always thought it to be a cold and distant relationship but this conveyed there was some closeness between Ed and Judith ) and the parties they threw. Judith had a 4 minute egg every morning of her life. Some things I don't know if a kid of 5 (and younger), even as smart as Faith, would have picked up on.

Edited August 29Aug 29 by safe

Thanks @safe . That's how it goes on soaps but I didn't realize just how many disparities there were about their mother and her age. That Now, Voyager memory says a lot about the Coleridge relationships, on several levels. 

Early on the idea was that Jill never felt at home with the Coleridges due to the mother, but she was still close to Roger, Ed, Faith. Later they retconned this as Faith always resenting Jill, saying she ruined their happy family life, that Jill was a "thing" who invaded their home.

I really loathed Faith by that point.

Edited August 29Aug 29 by DRW50

3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Later they retconned this as Faith always resenting Jill, saying she ruined their happy family life, that Jill was a "thing" who invaded their home.

 

Jill was 2 when Ed brought her to the states. Faith wouldn't have been born for another 4 years-- so she would have never known a time, happy family or not, that Jill wasn't there. 

On 8/29/2025 at 3:19 PM, DRW50 said:

 

Early on the idea was that Jill never felt at home with the Coleridges due to the mother, but she was still close to Roger, Ed, Faith. Later they retconned this as Faith always resenting Jill, saying she ruined their happy family life, that Jill was a "thing" who invaded their home.

 

@DRW50 The things Faith said were vicious. Jill should have shut Faith up by telling Faith that she sounded like her mother. That might have made more sense if we later learned what  Faith said were things Judith whispered in her ear while Faith was growing up. 

A life-long rivalry idea could have been  good. I wondered if Judith got  pregnant with Faith on purpose (doesn't seem that was the case) -- after she figured out Jill was Ed's child (which I thought she knew). Then have Judith foster a competition by  pampering Faith, spoiling Faith, and also pushing little Faith to be Ed's favorite while Judith was ignoring, passing over, and brushing aside Jill and trying to get Ed to do the same. But that's not how it was

It was clear from the beginning that Roger was the one Faith hated all her life  though there were claims otherwise later on --like  when married to Tom, Faith told Roger she loved  him even when he was taunting her by telling her her dolls didn't like her.  Also in the beginning Faith said she had a competitive relationship with Roger and that was one of the reasons she  chose Neurology as her field.

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In the notes, characters would say Ed was Jill's father or say adopted father, but Jill and other would refer to Judith as her step-mother. That was the correct -- but  only Maeve would know that until 1982.  

BTW- Does anyone who watched originally know the details of what Maeve says about why Ed kept it a secret even after Judith passed away? Or why Maeve still kept it a secret after Ed died?  

Edited August 30Aug 30 by safe

12 hours ago, safe said:

@DRW50 The things Faith said were vicious. Jill should have shut Faith up by telling Faith that she sounded like her mother. That might have made more sense if we later learned what  Faith said were things Judith whispered in her ear while Faith was growing up. 

A life-long rivalry idea could have been  good. I wondered if Judith got  pregnant with Faith on purpose (doesn't seem that was the case) -- after she figured out Jill was Ed's child (which I thought she knew). Then have Judith foster a competition by  pampering Faith, spoiling Faith, and also pushing little Faith to be Ed's favorite while Judith was ignoring, passing over, and brushing aside Jill and trying to get Ed to do the same. But that's not how it was

It was clear from the beginning that Roger was the one Faith hated all her life  though there were claims otherwise later on --like  when married to Tom, Faith told Roger she loved  him even when he was taunting her by telling her her dolls didn't like her.  Also in the beginning Faith said she had a competitive relationship with Roger and that was one of the reasons she  chose Neurology as her field.

They seemed to retcon her relationship with Roger when they decided to make Roger "good" around 1980, which meant lots of scenes of the two of them sneering at Delia.

A simmering rivalry between Jill and Faith could have been interesting. They went so fast, and Faith behaved in ways that were difficult to ever come back from. I wish they'd managed the buildup better because this was some of the only time KMG seemed to find her footing in the part. 

Maureen Garrett (EJ Ryan) in a 1985 Crayola markers commercial at approx. 9:13. I figured this commercial is in the GL board but didn't recall seeing it posted here during this partial RH episode. The entire episode was already up without commercials.

 

 

 

Edited September 3Sep 3 by safe

Great find, @safe

Sad that no one is doing anything for Ryan's Hope 50th Anniversary - it has come and gone - and nothing has or is being planned

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What an awesome find, Safe! I just realized that's Kelly Bishop playing the role of whom I assume is DJ's mother. Of course, Kelly would later star as Emily Gilmore on Gilmore Girls.

From around 09-11.

 

On 9/6/2025 at 7:34 PM, robbwolff said:

What an awesome find, Safe! I just realized that's Kelly Bishop playing the role of whom I assume is DJ's mother. Of course, Kelly would later star as Emily Gilmore on Gilmore Girls.

It's a wonderful surprise when an actor you know appears unexpectedly like that on screen.

18 hours ago, DRW50 said:

From around 09-11.

 

Thanks @DRW50, I didn't remember that Louise was interested in resuming acting at that time -- wanting to play a different role -- play something funny.

21 minutes ago, safe said:

It's a wonderful surprise when an actor you know appears unexpectedly like that on screen.

She has written about her time on Ryan's Hope in her autobiography "The Third Gilmore Girl"

41 minutes ago, TheyStartedOnSoaps said:

She has written about her time on Ryan's Hope in her autobiography "The Third Gilmore Girl"

Thank you!