This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

thank you thank you All My Children for supporting me ...lol..what i said was not to be mean or anything i was just angry how CNN is portraying Obama as the 1st choice the new pres placing him high up in a pedistool while Clinton has been kicked to the curb. if anyone watchest SNL they will see what i mean...they see what i see... i wasnt implying that americans were stupid so thanks for putting words into my mouth.

And, some of us may have gotten the idea she could win NC from her.......because that is what her camp kept saying. The "Game Changer" was NC.........and now that she's lost, not only was he supposed to win because all the black folks voted for him, but she neevr was supposed to win it in the first place?

Thanks for reminding me of that. I lack the ability to keep up with this stuff now because it keeps twisting and turning and mainly contradicting.

I think we just see that differently, tyler, but it doesn't make either one of us wrong.

In the last 5 weeks, if I would have had a nickel for every time someone on CNN had said Rev. Wright or talked about it.......I could have taken two weeks off from work.

This also includes MSNBC, who had a one hour special on the Rev. Wright crap just this past weekend.

Now......I can't remember either network having any specials on Hilary for some of the things she's said or some of her actions.

So......we'll just have to see this differently.

For stupid reasons like she's destroying her party and she's behind in the delegate count and popular vote and because she's not going to be in a much better position after the primaries. John McCain isn't scared of her....please. To whom does she look more formidable?

It's so lame and like you to refer back to Obama's bitter comment for which he's apologized many times. Especially when he said it was a poor way to phrase what he was trying to say.... as if that doesn't happen to people everyday....maybe not to you though. How does that come off as selfish? You seem to reach an awful lot in your defense of all things Hilary Clinton. But that's quite a stretch. I mean obviously when he uttered those words he did it with the intent of hurting people and gaining what exactly for himself?

So, by some of the Hillary logic that I have heard, Obama must have had momentum after PA. then.......because he lost by 10 points there.

So.......the worse you lose a state, the more momentum you have.

First Hillary Clinton has no more experience that Barack Obama. She was First Lady and not president.

Second, Obama beat her by 14 points in NC. That is a walloping. She didn't cut into squat. If anything, she has so little momentum she almost lost a state that was in her column.

Third many of the states that Hillary are winning will not go Democratic in the fall. Texas and Indiana are Republican states and regardless of who gets the nomination, they are still going to be Republican states. That is probably true of Missouri and much of the South.

Fourth, Hillary Clinton staying in the race is embarrassing. It has come to the point where the best thing for her own interests would be to drop out of the race. Right now she looks desperate for attention and selfish. It is also becoming very clear that her top priority is herself. I'm coming to question her commitment to things that she has said define her -- things like the Democratic Party. Her backtracking on Florida and Michigan re-enforces everything negative about the Clintons: there is no rule they won't break if it suits their personal ambitions.

She is not going to win the nomination. Every day she stays in the race and continues to harm the party's prospects in the fall is another strike against her future with the party.

I co-sign.

hasnt she been a sen. longer than him?? just a question dont need to get mad.

hasnt she been a sen. longer than him?? just a question dont need to get mad.

She's got 5 years on him. So, she has alittle time on him.

But as far as making decisions in the WH.......they are dead even, IMO.

but she has been in the white house and knows how to move when the lights arnt on at 3am

Thanks for reminding me of that. I lack the ability to keep up with this stuff now because it keeps twisting and turning and mainly contradicting.

And also, at least he said it came our horribly wrong and said he was sorry.

She and her co-president husband used sleep deprevation as the excuse why she lied about that Bosnia trip.

but she has been in the white house and knows how to move when the lights arnt on at 3am

And, if that's the case.......Laura Bush should run for higher office as well.

But I get your comment, tyler.

And I'll tell you this, also.....

If the situation were completely reversed, and Obama would have lost last night, and his campaign was in debt to the point that he had to loan it money........the same people saying Hillary should be giving the nom now would be saying Obama should think of the party and drop out.

By the logic of Hillary's supporters, there is no point in having the election in November. Polls show Hillary is up front today so she gets to be the Democratic nominee. Of course she was down a month ago, she should have dropped out then I guess. If there is no point in honoring electoral outcomes, I guess there is no point in having elections. Let's just go ahead and re-write the constitution for Hillary. Rules don't matter when you are a Clinton any way.

So she was co-president? Well she definitely lied about that when she was in the White House because she often said she was not. It was a criticism of Clinton that his wife, who was not elected, appointed or subject to senate confirmation, exercised so much power. In a representative democracy having an unelected person serving as president is a bit offensive. Also, and again I know that rules don't apply to Clintons, I guess Bill gets to be co-president too if she is elected. So what if he should not be. Of course, he says that he won't be co-president. She said she wasn't co-president either. Oh those Clintons.

The bottom line is Hillary, by continuing in this race is embarrassing herself. She also putting a lot of party officials in a position of having to tell her, as Bill Richardson and others already have, that they are not backing her. You are going to start seeing a lot of the "superdelegates" in her column switch because she has gone too far with this.

Tyler, CNN has been far far harder on Obama then on Clinton. The fact is that after the Florida debacle, there is no way a network is going to call an election when it is within the margin of error. You are not going to see a state called unless exit polls show a candidate winning by more than 6 points. You can count on that. CNN did not call the election, none on the major networks called Indiana, nobody did and nobody did for the same reason. They could not say with any certainty who would win. Obama blew Hillary's socks off in NC. It was easy and safe to declare a winner there.

From Frank Beckman:

"We had a lively debate over my assertion that there's a palpable anger amongst Barack Obama backers that could become explosive if they feel Clinton stole the nomination. This hasn't been talked about very much. What's interesting is that Tuesday's election results may make the debate moot. Certainly it's a much less likely scenario, as Thomas Edsell reported that the nuclear option at the Rules Committee was predicated Hillary Clinton having a strong showing Tuesday."

It was a figure of speech since I would never expect you to concede anything, especially not to me. You implied that based on polls Hilary Clinton would beat John McCain and now today we're seeing that the poll that you went by meant nothing.

I can't even believe this comparison. What he went through does not remotely compare to Geraldine Ferraro and whatever weak reaction came from that. Not even her Bosnia sniping lie had as much traction as the commotion of the word "bitter: and Rev Wright.

I really think you should back off the black thing because it's ridiculous. If black people are following him so blindly then what's going on with the women? She's one and women outnumber men so what's the problem? Are the black women confused because they're women but black and don't know who to follow? Are the white men confused because she's white but not a man and they're not sure either? I don't know where I got the idea......

She won't have the momentum until she actually wins them but what does that matter? Since Obama only won NC because he's black and there are lots of black people there let's move on to places that really matter and let's ignore everything else and focus on those polls that show her beating McCain. I'm only shocked that you haven't offered up the vice presidency to Obama today but I guess that's coming with the momentum.

The polls do not mean nothing but they are reliable ones that show she is winning by a large margin over McCain. That is what they say. The polls I consulted showed she would win Indiana and Obama would win North Carolina. Those were right since that is what the results showed.

Geraldine's comments caused Hillary to take a hit, just like his association with Wright and the bitter comments caused him to get into negatives. It seems like everyone has moved on from those so I won't bring them up for now.

I am only saying what is true and that is he is carrying the black vote. NC is heavily populated with African Americans so yes he would have a big shot of winning with those statistics. I am not following what you are saying with black/women and white man/Hillary other than black women will go for Obama primarily while other women will probably support her. I guess the white men are more ready to see a woman of their race be in The White House than any others but I am sure some see her as more formidable...I am not sure what explains their support of Hillary.

I already explained to you that the momentum is coming from the remaining primaries pretty much swinging her way. She is gaining in Oregon and will probably win the state once their official primary comes in two weeks. I am not saying to ignore any black votes because we will need them in the election in order to win so that means it would be a wise idea to put Obama on the ticket and see if both he and Hillary (I hope they are the ticket) can make amends with the community so that they give her a second chance. I have been saying for a while that Obama should get the vice presidency or Hillary should if he wins the nomination...I have been saying that a Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary ticket would be unbeatable and win.

I also guess he won Missouri because he's black.

Even though the state is 70 percent white.

And........he was not up 25 points in NC. He was up by the same margin he won by......14 points. And that came from every single poll I saw.

Neither one really won Missouri since it went 50/50 and they got the same amount of pledged delegates for that state...and he is doing well with white men and women as well.

I saw some Rasmussen and Survey USA polls with him having at least 20 points ahead in North Carolina