Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 18, 2008 Members Share Posted April 18, 2008 It will be hard for either one to win if the other is not on as VP because a quarter of Obama supporters are going for McCain if he ain't on the ticket (or if he is the nominee) while a third of her supporters plan to vote for McCain if she is not either president or VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Money Posted April 18, 2008 Members Share Posted April 18, 2008 I have a lot of respect for Charles Gibson but he should be ashamed of himself for pandering to the BS that the media hyped up in the last few weeks. It was almost an hour into the debate when he asked a question related to a substantial issue. George was so ridiculous he might as well have "offered another pillow" to Hillary. So much time was spent on Rev Wright and whether Obama felt he (the reverend) was patriotic was flat out classless. All their questions were related to their words and actions throughout their respective campaigns and not on the issues. Even the question about gas came more as an after thought. This debate deserved to be on the comedy channel. Pathetic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted April 18, 2008 Members Share Posted April 18, 2008 I happen to disagree with this and I also don't believe the breakdown of how many of their supporters will vote for McCain. I asked a friend of mine what the black community is and she said it's whatever the media says it is. We are planning a trip to the black community as soon as we find out the exact location. I Maybe you can help me out with a couple of things that "Billary" did for the black community since I'm clueless on this. The only thing that sticks out in my mind was that Affirmative Action went away under Bill Clinton but I have no idea what he did. I appreciate your response. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 19, 2008 Members Share Posted April 19, 2008 That is what reliable polls are suggesting and I don't like the sound of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted April 19, 2008 Members Share Posted April 19, 2008 From Countdown With Keith Olbemann: As we reported yesterday, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos defended the questions in Wednesday’s debate, saying all they did was throw at Democrats what the Right eventually will. In our third story tonight: Sunday, Mr. Stephanopoulos will interview John McCain. Raising the question, is he now obligated to throw at McCain, what the Left eventually will? Of course, some on the left forswear such partisan side issues. An aide to then-Governor Clinton claiming during the 19-92 campaign, that Americans care about more important things. Still, since 2008, Stephanopoulos felt it appropriate to ask questions on behalf of Sean Hannity this week, we want to lend him a hand with his McCain interview. So George, if you want to test Senator McCain’s response to hostile distractions, you can pretend McCain’s a Democrat and ask any of these questions. Taking notes? 1. In your book you mention visiting burlesque houses, and you say that in Rio you indulged in, quote “the vices sailors are infamous for.” Exactly how many times have you employed prostitutes? Or were you just referring to public drunkeness? 2. On your association with shady characters… As a member of the Keating Five, you helped delay regulators from going after a savings and loan that ripped off elderly investors of their life savings… and cost taxpayers more than two billion dollars. Why do you hate the elderly? And taxpayers? 3. Your continuing association with radicals from the 1970’s. A man who tried to destroy the two-party electoral system and subvert Democracy, and to this day remains utterly unapologetic, saying only that he wishes he’d done more of it, and better? As recently as November 8th of 2007, you had a public conversation with G. Gordon Liddy, not merely a criminal, but an unrepentant enemy of the U-S constitution who is now in radio. Why do you hate the Constitution, sir? 4. After first calling Jerry Falwell an “agent of intolerance,” you took that back and began praising the man, despite the fact that he blamed America for 9/11. Why in six years have you not repudiated Mr. Falwell’s damning of this country? Why do you still symbolically share the same pew? 5. You proudly accepted the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee who wants the U-S to start a nuclear war as part of the Apocalypse; who called Catholicism “the great whore” and said Katrina was God’s punishment of New Orleans for holding, quote, “a homosexual parade.” Senator McCain, does Pastor Hagee love Catholics, Muslims, New Orleans, gay people, parades and life on Earth as we know it, as much as you do? 6. Senator, why did you commit adultery? Not that lobbyist stuff. I mean, with your wife back in the ’70s while you were still married to your first wife? 7. Last year, you admitted lying to voters when you said South Carolina’s confederate flag was strictly a state issue, when you knew it wasn’t, when you knew it was offensive to many Americans, presumably, those who wanted America to win the Civil War. Why did you lie to protect a racist symbol of terrorists who wanted to destroy this country when you could have, um, not? 8. Finally, sir, a lot of Americans judge their politicians entirely by simple symbols. Flag lapel pins, where your hands are during the pledge of allegiance. Wouldn’t you agree, Senator McCain, that perhaps the most potent simple symbol of loving America, is whether or not you chose to be born in America? Senator McCain: why did you choose to be born in Panama? How can voters be sure that this kind of elitisim doesn’t mean that you won’t owe your allegiance to Panama and the Panamian Way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted April 19, 2008 Members Share Posted April 19, 2008 I came up with nothing that he would be able to discuss. I don't see him reminding them that Bill Clinton went on The Arsenio Hall Show and played saxophone and since the poet that labeled Clinton the first black president is supporting Obama then that's futile. Besides Obama would probably be challenged by someone who could bring up the loss of affirmative action and the welfare reform which could be taken positively or negatively. Besides it's not his problem to fix. I can see them being supportive of the one who wins the nomination since it's the politically correct thing to do but being on the same ticket is not a good idea, imo. I'm not big on polls and the one you're quoting suggests something which doesn't seem correct to me. The one thing I do believe is that if Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton had been in the reverse position, he would have backed out of the race already,. I also believe that she'd have been calling for him to bow out and the party would have put the clamps on him and maybe they would have offered him something but he wouldn't still be in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Southofnowhere Posted April 19, 2008 Members Share Posted April 19, 2008 If Hilary was in Obama's place you can be sure the Dems would have been on him like a ton of bricks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Posted April 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 Does anybody here care to predict the results of Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary? Even though I've been wrong many times before (for example, I predicted that Mitt Romney would be the Republican nominee), my prediction is that Clinton will score a 12-point victory. The reasons for this are as follows: 1. Clinton has Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell on her side. Rendell is a master vote getter and controls all of the Democratic Party machinery in the state. 2. Obama's "bitter" comments will likely turn off many of PA's blue-collar Democrats. 3. PA is a big state, and Clinton has always done very well in big states (except for Obama's native Illinois). Obama, on the other hand, does well in smaller states. 4. Clinton is widely seen (by political pundits) as the big winner of the recent debate. 5. PA's demographics are very similar to those of Ohio, a state where Clinton trounced Obama by over 15 points. 6. Last minute polls in big states historically have shown Obama with a much better showing than he actually ends up getting. 7. Even in states where she has lost big, most undecided voters have previously swung to Clinton on Election Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted April 20, 2008 Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 I agree that clinton will win, but I don't think it will be by 12 points maybe closer to 10 points or just shy of that. But if hillary pulls another rabbit out of hat, like with that 3 am commercial she could win by 12 points. I just want this democratic race to be over, and it won't be if hillary wins by more than 10 percentage points because she will get majority of the delegates instead of it just being split down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 20, 2008 Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 Here is an idea. You go your way and I go mine but we both agree to support the Democrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 20, 2008 Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 And what makes you think they are not on her? There are party leaders on her about withdrawing as well as many Obama supporters...trust me, she is getting a lot of "drop out now" messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted April 20, 2008 Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 Hillary may win, but not by 10-12 points. Between 5-7 points, and if that is the case, she better consider at least suspending her campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 20, 2008 Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 Recent polls (Rasmussen) show the race narrowing so I am hesitant to say she will win by double digits. But I am still predicting a Hillary win this Tuesday. But congrats to Obama for really rising in PA! This was pretty much a guaranteed Hillary win but he did gain very well on her lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted April 20, 2008 Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 I'll also say this too.... If that stuff that she said about MoveOn.org catches on in the mainstream press at all tomorrow, it may get ugly. I don't know yet how that will affect her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted April 20, 2008 Members Share Posted April 20, 2008 I saw a video on CNN.com of Howard Dean calling for the Superdelegates to decide now, I hope they listen because this race needs to be over sooner rather than later. I was just watching obama's latest video on youtube and guess who was in the vid, it was the gov. of kansas kathleen sebelius. Very interesting, I wonder if there is any truth to her being considered as obama's vp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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