This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I stated their purpose in Washington, Wales. It's their job. Period.

I remained perfectly on topic and you know it.

But the thing is... I love chatting with you so you can get away with just about anything -- even diversionary tactics in debate -- and I'll overlook it.

Even half asleep I can stay on topic.....you're the only person employing diversionary tactics in this exchange.

I asked a simple question.....is he helping? (meaning is McCain helping the bailout negotiations?)

To me the answer is either "yes" or "no" or some other response indicating that it's soon to tell (which means no or not yet). Listing his purpose in Washington is not a response just as going off about Obama isn't one either.

Now it's entirely possible.....in fact probable.....that you and I have a completely different understanding about what constitutes a direct answer to a question which means that you might end up overlooking a lot of what I say since none of it will seem reasonable to you.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/...lins.mccain.cnn

This is a video apparently saying, from a GOP strategist, that McCain messed up.

Even half asleep I can stay on topic.....you're the only person employing diversionary tactics in this exchange.

I asked a simple question.....is he helping? (meaning is McCain helping the bailout negotiations?)

To me the answer is either "yes" or "no" or some other response indicating that it's soon to tell (which means no or not yet). Listing his purpose in Washington is not a response just as going off about Obama isn't one either.

Now it's entirely possible.....in fact probable.....that you and I have a completely different understanding about what constitutes a direct answer to a question which means that you might end up overlooking a lot of what I say since none of it will seem reasonable to you.

What makes me shake my head is how the McCain spin is going. A deal in principal was reached yesterday afternoon. McCain was on his way to the Capitol when it was reached. He sat in a meeting with others and hardly said one word (from all accounts) and now he's supposed to be this big hero who put country first.

He put himself first. His campaign was crashing to the ground and tried to do something to change the conversation. Instead, CNN and MSNBC are still talking about Palin's interview and huge lack of media exposure. And McCain is getting blasted as a punk who won't debate no matter what the circumstance.

This makes McCain look really bad.......and it will be amazing if what happened on Letterman effects him the most.

Even half asleep I can stay on topic.....you're the only person employing diversionary tactics in this exchange.

I asked a simple question.....is he helping? (meaning is McCain helping the bailout negotiations?)

To me the answer is either "yes" or "no" or some other response indicating that it's soon to tell (which means no or not yet). Listing his purpose in Washington is not a response just as going off about Obama isn't one either.

Now it's entirely possible.....in fact probable.....that you and I have a completely different understanding about what constitutes a direct answer to a question which means that you might end up overlooking a lot of what I say since none of it will seem reasonable to you.

He's not helping. Injecting the presidential race into the process hurt the process. I don't doubt he was well-intentioned, but he didn't help.

He's not helping. Injecting the presidential race into the process hurt the process. I don't doubt he was well-intentioned, but he didn't help.

Thank you. So far I don't see where he's helped at all.....I mean he was on tv on Tuesday evening admitting that he hadn't even read the the three page Paulson plan. How does one go into a meeting about a document that one hadn't read? It wasn't some one hundred page document.....and he said he hadn't had a chance to read it....but he had a chance to do all that press about it.

GGL who says this?

Take the fight to them

John McCain has been working hard for you

maverick

GGL here's a clip for you of KO on the subject of Palintology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVEYs71snfw

What makes me shake my head is how the McCain spin is going. A deal in principal was reached yesterday afternoon. McCain was on his way to the Capitol when it was reached. He sat in a meeting with others and hardly said one word (from all accounts) and now he's supposed to be this big hero who put country first.

He put himself first. His campaign was crashing to the ground and tried to do something to change the conversation. Instead, CNN and MSNBC are still talking about Palin's interview and huge lack of media exposure. And McCain is getting blasted as a punk who won't debate no matter what the circumstance.

This makes McCain look really bad.......and it will be amazing if what happened on Letterman effects him the most.

ICAM. For me, this was nothing but a political ploy. I believe that he was more worried about his poll numbers than "saving" the American people for big, bad Wall Street.

He's not helping. Injecting the presidential race into the process hurt the process. I don't doubt he was well-intentioned, but he didn't help.

See, I'm having a hard time seeing his actions as well-intentioned. But that's more a testimony to how [!@#$%^&*] jaded I've become over the last 8 years.

Thank you. So far I don't see where he's helped at all.....I mean he was on tv on Tuesday evening admitting that he hadn't even read the the three page Paulson plan. How does one go into a meeting about a document that one hadn't read? It wasn't some one hundred page document.....and he said he hadn't had a chance to read it....but he had a chance to do all that press about it.

Yeah. Sumpin is funky with that whole situation.

GGL who says this?

That was a poster on another thread. It was like a comments section underneath an article about the interview on CBSNews.com. Some Joe-Schmoe posted it, but I thought it was hilarious.

GGL here's a clip for you of KO on the subject of Palintology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVEYs71snfw

Thanks Wales! I will have to check it out when I get home from work. Yes, I'm slacking off posting here when I should be working. Shhh. Don't tell anyone!

OK. So, I'm reading some excerpts from SP's interview with Couric and there are a couple (well, more than a couple I guess) that really are....

Well, judge for yourself.

Couric: When President Bush ran for office, he opposed nation-building. But he has spent, as you know, much of his presidency promoting democracy around the world. What lessons have you learned from Iraq? And how specifically will you try to spread democracy throughout the world?

Palin: Specifically, we will make every effort possible to help spread democracy for those who desire freedom, independence, tolerance, respect for equality. That is the whole goal here in fighting terrorism also. It's not just to keep the people safe, but to be able to usher in democratic values and ideals around this, around the world.

Really, Sarah? You are a beacon of tolerance? What about domestic partnership? NO? "Respect for equality"? Really? Do you support equal pay for equal work? NO? Didn't think so....

Couric: You recently said three times that you would never, quote, "second guess" Israel if that country decided to attack Iran. Why not?

Palin: We shouldn't second guess Israel's security efforts because we cannot ever afford to send a message that we would allow a second Holocaust, for one. Israel has got to have the opportunity and the ability to protect itself. They are our closest ally in the Mideast. We need them. They need us. And we shouldn't second guess their efforts.

I'm speechless. WTF is that all about???

Edited September 26, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

I have to admit that I'm really getting tired of all the bickering myself. I don't think you're too far off base with this one, GoldenDogs. Clinton isn't that bad. Com'on now.

Dude, did you read my post? I was complimenting President Clinton. He HAS been fair and his analysis very keen on these issues.

There is some big concern over the size of this bailout, ICAM. However, it's a big problem with the President can't even get his own party to support his Treasury Sec's bailout package. Shouldn't GWB's aides have been working around the clock to shore up support for this bill? Especially within his own party? Sumpin ain't right there, don'tcha think?

It appears that you are throwing all the blame on this legislative breakdown on the Dems. Hmmmm.

Where did I say that? I have posted many times in this thread that both parties are to blame. I have, however, offset the dishonest claims that some Republicans have done nothing to stem the tide on this. They are on record as having MANY TIMES tried to introduce legislation to fix the lax lending practices -- The Bush Administration has multiple times and McCain himself has attempted to introduce legislation. It is a documented fact, Greg, that those finance committee Democrats, like Mr. Barney Frank, denied there was a problem. Come on, you've seen my posts on this. If I haven't made clear who I think is to blame and where this problem originated, then I'm either a damn fool or you haven't read my posts closely or you have simply forgotten.

You see, but the reasoning behind McCain going back to Washington in the first place wasn't to "provide support" as I understand it. He supposedly went there to "do his job" as you and Casey put it, to get the bill through the Senate. If he is not intrinsically involved in crafting the bill, then why is he there? He could be briefed (and he should be) - that's fine. You're argument above is contradictory to your previous statements just a little, don't you think?

Again, it has been made perfectly clear in previous posts. Members of his party had requested he return to Washington, likely to wrangle in Republicans unwilling to simply buy into the deal. The President, himself, summoned McCain to the table. He returned to Washington to do his job. President Bush summoned Obama to the table to do his job. The rub is the House of Representatives and a large number of House members DO NOT LIKE THE BAILOUT PLAN. A large number of economists DO NOT LIKE THE BAILOUT PLAN. There is a significant segment of the populace that has called their elected representatives and told them they DO NOT LIKE THE BAILOUT PLAN. McCain is there because he was asked to be there. He was ASKED TO BE THERE.

The economy isn't sound, according to your President GWB. He's saying that the problems in the finance industry could affect every aspect of our economy. You don't agree with that?

What newspaper do you read? THIS from the Washington Times:

Bush says economy stable despite financial crisis

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/1...nancial-crisis/

Bush says economy strong enough to handle turmoil

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/sep/15...cial-system-wh/

Are you proud of what these people are saying? I wouldn't be if I were you.

I am amused by what they are saying. It's not like they are suggesting Obama nailed his daughters, you know.

Come on, Greg... don't do the "Partisan Twist" with me.

Yeah. Sumpin is funky with that whole situation.

That was a poster on another thread. It was like a comments section underneath an article about the interview on CBSNews.com. Some Joe-Schmoe posted it, but I thought it was hilarious.

Thanks Wales! I will have to check it out when I get home from work. Yes, I'm slacking off posting here when I should be working. Shhh. Don't tell anyone!

I wouldn't dream of it.

When you do watch the clip it might make you think of Biden saying Guiliani has a noun, a verb and 9/11. I know he can't say anything about Palin but Margaret Carlson is right, Palin really doesn't say anything that makes sense and she says the same things over and over again. It seems odd that McCain passed over all those other people that are capable of discussing the issues in favor of her.

Oh and we discovered yesterday that maverick speak for campaign suspension didn't include pulling ads...in addition it didn't include pulling surrogates either since they were out making the rounds.

My biggest media gripe today though is how local media contributed to a run on Washington Mutual that probably accelerated that takeover. After Indy Mac was taken over by the FDIC, the local media was determined to uncover the names of other local insititutions in jeiopardy and not that Washington Mutual's mortgage loan problems were a secret nor the fact they were shopping for a buyer, but the local media last week kept harping on how they were having problems. They got so bad in their coverage that I had the feeling that people were going to make a run for their money despite the FDIC coverage and this morning it was reported that $17 billion had been withdrawn in that short span of time which I attribute mostly to the media scare and that forced the rapid takeover.

The President, himself, summoned McCain to the table. He returned to Washington to do his job. President Bush summoned Obama to the table to do his job.

For the record, it was McCain that asked President Bush to have him and Obama attend a meeting. It wasn't Bush's idea but Bush went along with it....and among conclusions that people can draw, one would be that he wanted to help McCain bolster his position.

I want to take this time to appoligize to Casey. I accused him of saying something recently about a MSNBC poll. He did not do this.

Brian was the one talking BS.

Casey, I am sorry. I blamed you for something that you did not do. I was wrong, and you were right.

Once again, I appoligize.

Sorry, Roman... I have no idea what you're talking about here. Please tell me which page number I can find it or quote it... because I searched and couldn't find it.

Thanks...

Even half asleep I can stay on topic.....you're the only person employing diversionary tactics in this exchange.

I asked a simple question.....is he helping? (meaning is McCain helping the bailout negotiations?)

To me the answer is either "yes" or "no" or some other response indicating that it's soon to tell (which means no or not yet). Listing his purpose in Washington is not a response just as going off about Obama isn't one either.

Now it's entirely possible.....in fact probable.....that you and I have a completely different understanding about what constitutes a direct answer to a question which means that you might end up overlooking a lot of what I say since none of it will seem reasonable to you.

I don't know if he is helping, Wales... I wasn't invited to the meeting. What he is doing or isn't doing is irrelevant in the point *I* am making -- he was asked to be there. Period.

What makes me shake my head is how the McCain spin is going. A deal in principal was reached yesterday afternoon. McCain was on his way to the Capitol when it was reached. He sat in a meeting with others and hardly said one word (from all accounts) and now he's supposed to be this big hero who put country first.

Reports this morning, Roman, say the deal fell apart before he and Obama ever got there.

This just in -- McCain is resuming campaign activities and will be at the debate tonight.

He's not helping. Injecting the presidential race into the process hurt the process. I don't doubt he was well-intentioned, but he didn't help.

Explain to me how he injected the presidential race into the process. According to Democrats in the room, McCain hardly said anything.

Which is it?

For the record, it was McCain that asked President Bush to have him and Obama attend a meeting. It wasn't Bush's idea but Bush went along with it....and among conclusions that people can draw, one would be that he wanted to help McCain bolster his position.

Wrong again, Wales...

From the CNN:

CNN confirms: McCain, Obama to meet with Bush about bailout

WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush has asked both Sen. John McCain and Sen. Barack Obama to join him for a meeting at the White House Thursday afternoon to discuss the economic bailout plan, a White House officials said.

From the Washington Times:

Bush invites McCain, Obama to White House meeting

WASHINGTON (AP) - With extraordinary stakes on the line, President Bush invited both men vying to succeed him and key congressional leaders to a White House meeting to hammer out a massive financial rescue plan.