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Did McCain answer the 3am call? Who cares! He warned the Dhimmicrats about this THREE friggin years ago.

What debate? Obama has had all summer long to do a dozen debates with McCain but he chickened out.

Obama, a done nothing candidate from the do nothing congress.

Mojave Mark on September 25, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Obama spent three days huddling with Bill Clinton’s economic team and all he can do is call John McCain and ask for a joint statement. He might as well just announce that he knows how to fix everything because he stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Hero vs. Zero

rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 10:54 AM

When it comes to Obama’s leadership skills as a legislator on critical issues remember, you can’t spell “president” without “present”.

jon1979 on September 25, 2008 at 10:59 AM

We must be fair to The Obamassiah. He was much more focused on the rollout of his coin. A Great Panic on Wall Street is simply above his paygrade.

rbj on September 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM

I'll stop when you decide that making stuff up (Obama pushing sex ed. on Kindergarderners) stops.

Oh, I'm sorry. You never lie, Casey.

Forget it. This is pointless.

You just keep rolling out these misrepresentations of my comments..I've never said Obama "pushes" kindergarten sex ed!

Please tell me when I said Obama "pushes" sex ed for kindergarteners..

I've only posted Obama's actual comments about "age appropriate- sex ed for kindergarteners"...You know Obama was quoted as saying this right?

You may not agree with my stances, but there is no need to twist my words or post blatent falsehoods! (Me blasting the MSNBC Poll)...It Never happened!

I dont lie...you need to shut your f%^cking mouth saying I lie, when I dont! If you can provide an example of me lying about something, then I will never post here again...I know that would make you happy! So that's your incentive to prove me wrong!

It is pointless?..Then why the hell do you say I did something, I didn't do? Please post a quote of me blasting the MSNBC poll...I'm tired of your crap Roman..

If you are going to comment about me doing something then own up to it! Dont say forget it, this is pointless...Prove yourself right...or shut up!

Edited September 26, 200817 yr by Casey008

Here are some fun comments from other places I visit...

Did McCain answer the 3am call? Who cares! He warned the Dhimmicrats about this THREE friggin years ago.

And his party had the power in Congress before that. He's been in Congress for 30-some odd years. He had before THREE friggin years ago to do something about it. (And the Dems didn't have the House until 2006, which is only two years ago, and didn't actually start that session of Congress until 2007, which is even less than two years)

What debate? Obama has had all summer long to do a dozen debates with McCain but he chickened out.

As mentioned dozens of times, McCain's proposed debates were to make him look good in the town hall format. He didn't want to do the regular style.

Edited September 26, 200817 yr by bandbfan

And his party had the power in Congress before that. He's been in Congress for 30-some odd years. He had before THREE friggin years ago to do something about it. (And the Dems didn't have the House until 2006, which is only two years ago, and didn't actually start that session of Congress until 2007, which is even less than two years)

That is a moot point (McCain's 26 year career), in that the mortgage crisis only began to show up about 3 years ago. Why would legislation be called for, before the signs of problems were apparent.?

As mentioned dozens of times, McCain's proposed debates were to make him look good in the town hall format. He didn't want to do the regular style.

Isn't it kind of hypocritical for any Obama supporter to point out "debate dodging" when their candidate has done the same thing-- to a much larger degree? McCain simply acknowledged that he wanted to delay the first debate to focus on the rescue bill. Obama flat out refused several debates...Which would you consider to be the larger degree of "debate dodging? Honestly...?

I couldn't imagine Obama being bad at a "town hall" style debate.

Why would he be afraid of his opponent in this aspect if Obama is such a fierce debator?

And his party had the power in Congress before that. He's been in Congress for 30-some odd years. He had before THREE friggin years ago to do something about it. (And the Dems didn't have the House until 2006, which is only two years ago, and didn't actually start that session of Congress until 2007, which is even less than two years)

Hi bandbfan...

I actually posted about this previously and the fact is that the Bush Administration, McCain, and a whole lot of other people raised the red flags repeatedly. Some warned of this even before Bush took office. Reform legislation was attempted but was shot down... never got out of committee because the votes weren't there to push it forth as a bill. Democrats on the committee were quoted as stating that there WAS NO PROBLEM with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, etc. -- Barney Frank was quoted as saying as much, along with another committee Democrat and these guys made it a partisan issue.

Sorry but there is plenty of blame to go around... the roots for this were planted during the Clinton Administration and it grew from there. There is a lot of partisan rancor and free-flowing lies on this... lots of Democrats and Republicans can be blamed for this...

...but, sorry, you can't blame the Bush Administration or John McCain this time around. Despite whatever rants you are hearing in the liberal press or dishonest mainstream media, the truth is verified and documented on this. Look back several pages ago on this thread... you'll see it for yourself.

That is a moot point (McCain's 26 year career), in that the mortgage crisis only began to show up about 3 years ago. Why would legislation be called for, before the signs of problems were apparent.?

Sorry, Casey... I have to disagree with you on this. Warning signs went up almost immediately -- not long after rules and regulations were changed back in the mid to late 90's. Many voiced their concern with the lax lending practices, but the idea was put forth to encourage and grow home ownership among minorities and lower income families who were having trouble qualifying for regular loans.

It really started hitting the fan earlier this decade when home prices became inflated and those adjustable mortgage rates ballooned. The the bottom dropped out of the housing market and those families who qualified via oddball loans suddenly saw their homes worth only half as much as they "paid" for them and they were left with out of this world payments -- and couldn't get out by selling since their home had DECREASED in value. So, unable to pay their ever-increasing mortgages, they just walked away, leaving an unpaid debt.

The warning signs have been there from day one... A mess like this is certainly more than three years in the making!

That is a moot point (McCain's 26 year career), in that the mortgage crisis only began to show up about 3 years ago. Why would legislation be called for, before the signs of problems were apparent.?

Isn't it kind of hypocritical for any Obama supporter to point out "debate dodging" when their candidate has done the same thing-- to a much larger degree? McCain simply acknowledged that he wanted to delay the first debate to focus on the rescue bill. Obama flat out refused several debates...Which would you consider to be the larger degree of "debate dodging? Honestly...?

I couldn't imagine Obama being bad at a "town hall" style debate.

Why would he be afraid of his opponent in this aspect if Obama is such a fierce debator?

Presidential debates are supposed to happen dude. One person doesnt set them up or anything like that. If I was Obama, I damn sure wouldnt have done them either. John Mccain would have loved to brag about how he set these up. Obama doesnt have to do a damn thing Mccain says. It's totally different.

Lordy Lordy. Since I'm not a night owl like y'all, I always miss so much that happens here after 7pm. From the looks of it, things got quite rowdy in here....

It must be a cold day in hell because I'm at a point, this evening at 7:52pm PT, where I am saying that most fair, most reasonable, painfully honest politician on the issue of these bailout negotiations has been former President William Jefferson Clinton.

God help us.

I have to admit that I'm really getting tired of all the bickering myself. I don't think you're too far off base with this one, GoldenDogs. Clinton isn't that bad. Com'on now.

It isn't about McCain, Jess... it is about the American people and there seems to be a growing rumbling around that country that constituents aren't thrilled about this. That's why the House is MIA. When they proclaimed they were close to a deal earlier today, they did so without considering the House of Representatives... or the calls coming in to those representatives from their districts.

There is some big concern over the size of this bailout, ICAM. However, it's a big problem with the President can't even get his own party to support his Treasury Sec's bailout package. Shouldn't GWB's aides have been working around the clock to shore up support for this bill? Especially within his own party? Sumpin ain't right there, don'tcha think?

It appears that you are throwing all the blame on this legislative breakdown on the Dems. Hmmmm.

Well, did he or didn't he say something? Hard to know what really went on in the meeting since the Dems who rushed out to the cameras to slander McCain didn't have their stories straight.

But while we're discussing what or wasn't said... What did Obama say? I'll tell you what he said... he said NOTHING. Why? Because, like McCain, he isn't a majority or minority leader or whip in the Senate. McCain and Obama were there to provide support, and to be briefed on a major issue that will impact the presidency of whichever candidate is elected.

You see, but the reasoning behind McCain going back to Washington in the first place wasn't to "provide support" as I understand it. He supposedly went there to "do his job" as you and Casey put it, to get the bill through the Senate. If he is not intrinsically involved in crafting the bill, then why is he there? He could be briefed (and he should be) - that's fine. You're argument above is contradictory to your previous statements just a little, don't you think?

McCain said the fundamentals of the economy are sound..If you know anything about the economy then you would realize that this comment is a true statement.

Mortgages and finance are just one aspect of the economy...they are in turmoil, but the rest of the economy is sound.

The economy isn't sound, according to your President GWB. He's saying that the problems in the finance industry could affect every aspect of our economy. You don't agree with that?

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Did McCain answer the 3am call? Who cares! He warned the Dhimmicrats about this THREE friggin years ago.

Obama, a done nothing candidate from the do nothing congress.

Mojave Mark on September 25, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Obama spent three days huddling with Bill Clinton’s economic team and all he can do is call John McCain and ask for a joint statement. He might as well just announce that he knows how to fix everything because he stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Hero vs. Zero

rockmom on September 25, 2008 at 10:54 AM

We must be fair to The Obamassiah. He was much more focused on the rollout of his coin. A Great Panic on Wall Street is simply above his paygrade.

rbj on September 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Are you proud of what these people are saying? I wouldn't be if I were you.

You may not agree with my stances, but there is no need to twist my words or post blatent falsehoods! (Me blasting the MSNBC Poll)...It Never happened!

I dont lie...you need to shut your f%^cking mouth saying I lie, when I dont! If you can provide an example of me lying about something, then I will never post here again...I know that would make you happy! So that's your incentive to prove me wrong!

It is pointless?..Then why the hell do you say I did something, I didn't do? Please post a quote of me blasting the MSNBC poll...I'm tired of your crap Roman..

If you are going to comment about me doing something then own up to it! Dont say forget it, this is pointless...Prove yourself right...or shut up!

Ummm. Wow.

It's a little sad that our discussions have degenerated into this.

Edited September 26, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

Another perspective of the economic problems we're facing from CNNMoney:

The bailout: What's at stake

Reading about all this mess is really getting me down. Is there any good news out there for our economy?

As most of you know, I'm not a big fan of the Republican party. But I stumbled upon this blog entry, linked to from the CNN story I posted above.

Is it me, or does this guy have a valid point with regards to the bailout and the GOP's opposition?

go-go-GOP

<sigh>

You just keep rolling out these misrepresentations of my comments..I've never said Obama "pushes" kindergarten sex ed!

Please tell me when I said Obama "pushes" sex ed for kindergarteners..

I've only posted Obama's actual comments about "age appropriate- sex ed for kindergarteners"...You know Obama was quoted as saying this right?

You may not agree with my stances, but there is no need to twist my words or post blatent falsehoods! (Me blasting the MSNBC Poll)...It Never happened!

I dont lie...you need to shut your f%^cking mouth saying I lie, when I dont! If you can provide an example of me lying about something, then I will never post here again...I know that would make you happy! So that's your incentive to prove me wrong!

It is pointless?..Then why the hell do you say I did something, I didn't do? Please post a quote of me blasting the MSNBC poll...I'm tired of your crap Roman..

If you are going to comment about me doing something then own up to it! Dont say forget it, this is pointless...Prove yourself right...or shut up!

I have never cursed at you or told you to shut your fuckng mouth. It is now obvious that you can't handle a conversation in a mature fashion. This post proves it.

And you're tired of my crap? How many people have told you they ave you on ignore becuase of your crap?

You have proven that I just can't say anything toyou, so you sit there and stew like you're doing.

Have a VERY nice day.

Roman you are right. I am the only one playing partisan here...you are so balanced in your view of McCain.

I never said anything about Obama's guts...

You need to check your facts on when the last time McCain voted...

The fact is, as has been reproted on both MSNBC and CNN, he hasn't votyed since April.

I couldn't resist this. A poster on another board said this IRT Palin's "foreign policy" experience:

Today I saw the moon. Therefore, from now on, I will introduce myself as astro-physicist.

It''s good to be the Palin.

I want to take this time to appoligize to Casey. I accused him of saying something recently about a MSNBC poll. He did not do this.

Brian was the one talking BS.

Casey, I am sorry. I blamed you for something that you did not do. I was wrong, and you were right.

Once again, I appoligize.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...a-gains-ground/

Electoral Map Update: Obama gains ground

Posted: 09:55 AM ET

Michigan changes columns in CNN’s latest update of the Electoral College Map.

Michigan changes columns in CNN’s latest update of the Electoral College Map.

(CNN) — Barack Obama – who gained a small edge in the CNN poll of polls this week – is gaining ground on the CNN Electoral Map as well.

CNN is altering its Electoral Map, shifting Michigan and its 17 electoral votes from tossup to “lean Obama.”

With the shift of Michigan, CNN now estimates that if the presidential election were held today, Obama would win 240 electoral votes and John McCain 200. There are 98 electoral votes up for grabs; 270 electoral votes are needed to win the White House.

Check out CNN's latest electoral map

A CNN/Time Magazine/Opinion Research Corporation poll released earlier this week suggested Obama had a 5 point lead among likely voters, 51 percent to 46 percent, and a 7 point lead among the larger sample of registered voters. Obama had a 4 point margin in the last CNN poll in Michigan, conducted at the beginning of September.

Michigan has voted for the Democratic candidate in the last four presidential contests, but Kerry's victory over President Bush in 2004 was by only 3 points.

Still, the economy – an issue where Obama holds a significant edge over McCain in recent surveys — is the driving concern in this industrial state. The Democrat’s campaign has sought to pad that advantage, running state-specific ads in Michigan that charge McCain has not done enough to protect the nation’s auto industry jobs.

The CNN Electoral Map takes into account a number of factors, including the most recent state polls, voting trends, and campaign ad spending and events in the particular states.

"Historically, state polls have often been leading indicators of national trends," noted CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib. "National polls are predominantly made up of respondents from big states like New York, California and Texas where the campaigns are running no advertising at all."

CNN's most recent poll of polls showed the Democratic nominee with a 4 point advantage over his Republican rival. Obama had the support of 47 percent of voters to McCain's 43 percent, with and 10 percent unsure about their choice for president.