http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/palin.investigation/index.html

They are just making this worse and worse.

Now, you know that if any working-class person defired a court order to testify, we would have our asses thrown in jail.

I've recorded both shows tonight, Wales. I really like Rachel's show.

The teachers are NOT fine....says this teacher

I'm not generalizing and saying ALL teachers are fine. I'm just posing the question, where does the "blaim" go after the teachers? Or does it ever get off of them?

Oh, I know, Wales.

Even when it is explained, it sill isn't believe. Doesn't need to be. Steve posted a article proving what he wanted to do. I hope no one is suggesting that it would be ok for children to NOT know how to run from strangers trying to molest them.

"Determined on a case-by-case basis by local communities and local school boards".

Which means it will be left up to each community and school district.

Thanks, Wost for posting that!

No problem, Roman! Any time you need me to demonstrate how reckless a politican Barry is, I'm your man!

No Obama never advocated sex education to kindergarten. In fact, it is one of the few lies that McCain has walked away from. Obama advocated teaching children about pedaphiles nothing more and nothing less. The ad has been discredited.

Also, allowing local school boards to determine what is appropriate for their local school districts is not only appropriate it is totally consistent with what someone would think a conservative would support: local control of schools and government at the lowest level.

The ad flap is twisting words to justify a lying ad. McCain has been pretty shameless. The fact that he walked away from this one shows how bad the ad was.

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/palin.investigation/index.html

They are just making this worse and worse.

Now, you know that if any working-class person defired a court order to testify, we would have our asses thrown in jail.

I've recorded both shows tonight, Wales. I really like Rachel's show.

Okay she just pointed out one of those things that make you go hmmmmm

The North Virginian Republicans put George Allen of Macaca fame to help with minority outreach. I looked him up:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/18/w...e-macaca-allen/

Oh and the prized Hillraiser turned McCain supporter was on CNN last night criticizing Obama for being elitist and for saying people were bitter but she called those people rednecks.....essentially saying that McCain is good for rednecks. I guess she'll be meeting up with Carly Fiorina soon.

Paul Begala is giving out campaign distraction advice for Obama and he thinks he's a comeidan. He said that McCain needs to start saying that Obama has a black baby and that he dodged the draft (since he was hiding out in the sixth grade).

No Obama never advocated sex education to kindergarten. In fact, it is one of the few lies that McCain has walked away from. Obama advocated teaching children about pedaphiles nothing more and nothing less. The ad has been discredited.

Also, allowing local school boards to determine what is appropriate for their local school districts is not only appropriate it is totally consistent with what someone would think a conservative would support: local control of schools and government at the lowest level.

The ad flap is twisting words to justify a lying ad. McCain has been pretty shameless. The fact that he walked away from this one shows how bad the ad was.

He told Mika B and Scarborough on the Morning Joe show that his ads were true. I'll try to find the clip I saw earlier of it.

Is Friday really a good night for a debate?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/palin.investigation/index.html

They are just making this worse and worse.

Now, you know that if any working-class person defired a court order to testify, we would have our asses thrown in jail.

I've recorded both shows tonight, Wales. I really like Rachel's show.

This might be the worst strategy I have ever seen. It would seem there would be no way to prove one way or the other her reasons for firing the safety commissioner. It's already been demonstrated that her husband and others made calls. I have to wonder what else is out there that the McCain/Palin camp is afraid will come out in testimony? There must be something otherwise, I think she'd say let's get this thing over with now and move on. That way any delays would splash on the legislature rather than her.

No Obama never advocated sex education to kindergarten. In fact, it is one of the few lies that McCain has walked away from. Obama advocated teaching children about pedaphiles nothing more and nothing less. The ad has been discredited.

Also, allowing local school boards to determine what is appropriate for their local school districts is not only appropriate it is totally consistent with what someone would think a conservative would support: local control of schools and government at the lowest level.

The ad flap is twisting words to justify a lying ad. McCain has been pretty shameless. The fact that he walked away from this one shows how bad the ad was.

So, Jess, you deny these quotes are attributed to Barry?

"Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners," said Obama mimicking [Alan] Keyes' distinctive style of speech. "Which -- I didn't know what to tell him (laughter). But it's the right thing to do," Obama continued, "to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

"'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it. If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"

By the way, here is the copy from that McCain ad:

Legislation to teach "comprehensive sex education" to kindergartners.

Learning about sex before learning to read?

Barack Obama.

Please tell me, Jess, what is inaccurate about any of that?

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George Allen reaching out to minorities.

Wow.

He told Mika B and Scarborough on the Morning Joe show that his ads were true. I'll try to find the clip I saw earlier of it.

Is Friday really a good night for a debate?

I think that is campaigning at its worst. He could not very well say they weren't true after the flack he has gotten. LOL. Damn, how many times as he been on Morning Joe? Steve's post was pretty insightful.

Friday night is probably not a good night for a debate. I think these debates have attracted a lot of interest, however, so who know.. Usually debates don't make much of a difference unless a candidate screws up. Maybe these will be different.

This might be the worst strategy I have ever seen. It would seem there would be no way to prove one way or the other her reasons for firing the safety commissioner. It's already been demonstrated that her husband and others made calls. I have to wonder what else is out there that the McCain/Palin camp is afraid will come out in testimony? There must be something otherwise, I think she'd say let's get this thing over with now and move on. That way any delays would splash on the legislature rather than her.

This would have been a one-day story had they just stepped up and cooperated. Now, they have screwed this up so bad the more it gets drawn out, the worse it is for the ticket.

I think that is campaigning at its worst. He could not very well say they weren't true after the flack he has gotten. LOL. Damn, how many times as he been on Morning Joe? Steve's post was pretty insightful.

Friday night is probably not a good night for a debate. I think these debates have attracted a lot of interest, however, so who know.. Usually debates don't make much of a difference unless a candidate screws up. Maybe these will be different.

Here's the link to the Morning Joe clip. I'd posted it earlier.....the second clip on the page:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/m...n_n_126773.html

Do you think Keating Five is relevant as an example of McCain's leadership?

So, Jess, you deny these quotes are attributed to Barry?

"Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners," said Obama mimicking [Alan] Keyes' distinctive style of speech. "Which -- I didn't know what to tell him (laughter). But it's the right thing to do," Obama continued, "to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

"'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it. If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"

By the way, here is the copy from that McCain ad:

Legislation to teach "comprehensive sex education" to kindergartners.

Learning about sex before learning to read?

Barack Obama.

Please tell me, Jess, what is inaccurate about any of that?

Did you not have time to read Steve's post which very clearly pointed out what was wrong with the ad? Or was it just simply inconvenient to accept?

By the way the line Learning about sex before learning to read? is a lie on its face. Also, I see you chose to break the quote:" But it's the right thing to do," Obama continued, "to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools." in a very convenient place. Was that done deliberately to leave the impression that he was suggesting what Alan Keyes accused him of doing was the right thing to do, rather than what Obama actually said which was providng age-appropriate sex education in the schools was the right thing to do?

This manipulation of people's words is what sucks and the Republican Party has become master at it.

The intention was not to paint Obama as a pervert. The ad never used the word. The ad sheds light on his (what's a nice way of putting this?)...stances that are not exactly "middle of the road".

Most Americans (myself included) believe that any form of sex ed for Kindergarterners is a tad early.

Every one learns about sex eventually, whether the parents are involved or not. Roman, I'm sure you learned it at some point in your life. It's definitely not the job of a Kindergarten teacher to start the education of sex!

The ad didn't have to use that word, it was very obvious what the intent of it was and that was to completely misrepresent Obama's position and throw out innuendo.

That Bay woman on Larry King really thinks they're going to teach all aspects of sex-education to kindergartner's with that bill....

It wasn't supposed to be FULL ON. It was supposed to be age appropriate, which I assume just means keeping your hands away from where they shouldn't be.

Isn't it a little ironic that there's a 17 year old on McCain's side that happens to be pregnant, and they're against sex education....?

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