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Barack Obama Elected President!

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Here's an excerpt from something I was reading which points out McCain's Town Hall meeting lie:

At Wednesday's town hall -- his first with Sarah Palin -- he topped himself with this explanation of her credentials:

"She has been commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard. Fact. On September 11 a contingent of the Guard deployed to Iraq and her son happened to be one of them so I think she understands national security challenges."

Which is fine except:

The governor of Alaska doesn't command the National Guard in combat overseas.

Sarah Palin didn't deploy anyone anywhere on September 11th. She was a guest speaker at an Army deployment ceremony.

Track Palin isn't in the National Guard; he's in the Army.

Sometimes it seems like it's more than John McCain can handle, just keeping all the lies about Sarah Palin straight in his head. Tomorrow he'll say she's in the Air Force herself, on a plane she bought on eBay, bombing the bridges at Toko-Ri.

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Here's an excerpt from something I was reading which points out McCain's Town Hall meeting lie:

That is what really bothers me. And McCain expects these comments to go unchallenged as if they are the truth. They just are not the truth and either is doesn't know -- which certainly raises questions about his capacity to govern -- or he is just lying to the American public -- which raises questions about whether he deserves to be president.

I think Hagle is a turning into the kind of maverick that McCain wants to be.

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You'll be happy to know that McCain knows how to fix the economy even if he's challenged by truth telling. :lol::lol:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/m...n_n_126773.html

Click on the MSNBC video (the second one on the page) to see him explain how on Morning Joe. For those of you who wonder why he's been sitting on all this knowledge for years....since it coud have helped prevented our present economic situation....that's not important. Town Hall Meetings....Town Hall Meetings.

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington...iden-calls.html

Ok. This is some of the dumb [!@#$%^&*] that comes out ob JB's mouth.

You know why some can't hear it? Because McCain & Palin are still telling this lie that Obama will raise taxes on everyone.

He phrased what he was saying badly and the Republicans can have a field day with it but fundamentally he's not off the mark. The reason we pay taxes is to be able to "run the country." Naturally they'll leave out the fact that his comments were aimed at the people who make over $250,000. But realistically do we expect that most of the people making under that amount are going to get worked up over that statement? I think that most of those people will agree with him in some sort of way.

This is not enough of a gaffe to overshadow the fact that McCain wants to clean up Wall Street when he supported a lot of the deregulation that contributed to this problem and then to take the stance that it's merely a wittle crisis and he's a leader in time of crisis.......patriots keep that tax money coming.

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He phrased what he was saying badly and the Republicans can have a field day with it but fundamentally he's not off the mark. The reason we pay taxes is to be able to "run the country." Naturally they'll leave out the fact that his comments were aimed at the people who make over $250,000. But realistically do we expect that most of the people making under that amount are going to get worked up over that statement? I think that most of those people will agree with him in some sort of way.

This is not enough of a gaffe to overshadow the fact that McCain wants to clean up Wall Street when he supported a lot of the deregulation that contributed to this problem and then to take the stance that it's merely a wittle crisis and he's a leader in time of crisis.......patriots keep that tax money coming.

People who ear $250,000 or more should step up. I don't think he worded it very well, but paying your fair share of taxes is part of citizenship.

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He phrased what he was saying badly and the Republicans can have a field day with it but fundamentally he's not off the mark. The reason we pay taxes is to be able to "run the country." Naturally they'll leave out the fact that his comments were aimed at the people who make over $250,000. But realistically do we expect that most of the people making under that amount are going to get worked up over that statement? I think that most of those people will agree with him in some sort of way.

This is not enough of a gaffe to overshadow the fact that McCain wants to clean up Wall Street when he supported a lot of the deregulation that contributed to this problem and then to take the stance that it's merely a wittle crisis and he's a leader in time of crisis.......patriots keep that tax money coming.

That's my point. If McCain would have found a populist message and stayed on it, this would be the No.1 story right now. Instead, that campaign has told so many whoppers that it is being overshadowed.

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When it is, President Obama will be in the White House and will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever. I truly believe that.

I too. I think Caroline Kennedy was spot on when she said Obama reminds her of her father.

I think the one thing that strikes me the most is that Obama seems more accepting of other people's or groups, views. For the last couple of years it's been one divisive issue after another for the country and our current president hasn't really helped to lessen that right now.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080918/wl_afp/usvote

Obama rebounds in polls as economic crisis bites

by Stephen CollinsonThu Sep 18, 12:44 PM ET

Democrat Barack Obama topped two key national polls Thursday which showed the financial crisis reverberating through the White House race and "Palin power" fading for the Republican ticket.

The Democratic hopeful, who has been lacerating rival John McCain over his capacity to rescue the US economy, led 49 to 45 percent in a new poll of likely voters nationwide by Quinnipiac University.

In a CBS/New York Times survey, Obama was up by 48 percent to 43 percent, with the race apparently reverting to the narrow Democratic ascendency seen before two presidential nominating conventions.

McCain's selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate had rocked the race and electrified the conservative base, pushing the Republican into the lead in polls and spreading panic among some Democrats.

But recent opinion snapshots polls appear to show Palin's injection of momentum for McCain diminishing.

"Senator Obama is right back where he was before the so-called convention bounces with a four-point lead," said Maurice Carroll, director the Quinnipiac University polling institute.

"The Democratic discombobulation after the selection of Governor Palin as GOP running mate seems to be steadying."

The Quinnipiac survey suggested that economic arguments may be swaying support towards Obama.

In the poll, 51 percent said that McCain's proposed tax cut will help the rich while only nine percent say it will aid the middle class.

Thirty-three percent say Obama's tax plans will help the middle class and only nine percent say it will benefit the rich.

The Quinnipiac poll showed that Obama led 54-40 percent among women voters, the key demographic which Palin is targeting for Republicans.

He had a 91 percent lead among African-Americans and was the favorite of young voters and those over 55, while independents were split 46 to 45 percent.

McCain did best among men, 50-43 percent and led 71 percent to 21 percent among white evangelical Christians -- a figure reflecting Palin's impact on core Republican voters.

The survey was conducted between September 11 and Tuesday, so is likely to have been influenced by the latest US financial crisis which erupted at the weekend.

The CBS survey found that independents who favored Obama in late August moved to McCain in days following the Republican convention, then returned to Obama in the last week, the survey showed.

Independents favored Obama over McCain by 46 percent to 41 percent in the survey conducted between September 12 and 16 with a margin of error of three percent.

The CBS poll also showed that despite McCain's attempts to seize the mantle of "change" from Obama, voters were more likely to see the Democratic candidate as an agent of reform -- by 65 to 37 percent.

The poll also found that women have returned to Obama after favoring McCain by five points just two weeks ago. Obama now leads McCain by 54 percent to 38 percent among all women.

Though Obama has the edge on the national stage, another fresh survey by CNN/Time magazine/Opinion Research Corp. had the two candidates virtually tied in five pivotal states: Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin.

Obama and McCain were expected to renew their battle over the global credit crisis, after central banks injected more than 300 billion dollars into the markets and pressure mounted on Morgan Stanley and Swiss bank UBS.

Obama was campaigning in the key western battleground of New Mexico, while McCain and Palin were due to stump in midwestern Iowa, which polls show is trending towards the Democrats and battleground Wisconsin.

On Wednesday, the candidates traded stinging blows over the crisis as Obama ridiculed McCain as a lifelong member of the "old boys' network" that the Republican said had driven the US economy into crisis.

McCain vowed to take on Wall Street's "casino culture" after the US government's 85-billion-dollar bailout of giant insurer American International Group, the latest shock of a horrific fortnight for the financial industry.

Both candidates indicated the Federal Reserve's lifeline was regrettable but necessary to prevent AIG's troubles engulfing the wider economy.

Ahead of the November 4 election, Obama is driving home his polling edge on the economy to hammer his Republican adversary as out of touch with voters' anxieties in the face of rising job losses and home seizures.

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From NBC's Mark Murray and Lauren Appelbaum

This has generated a lot of blogosphere chatter... In an interview with Radio Caracol Miami, McCain appeared to either not know who the leader of Spain is, confused him with a Latin American dictator, or just didn't hear the question (although the interviewer did say: "I'm talking about the president of Spain"). Note: Zapatero is prime minister of Spain, not president.

McCain adviser Randy Scheunemann told the Washington Post that McCain knew who the interviewer was talking about. "The questioner asked several times about Senator McCain's willingness to meet Zapatero (and id'd him in the question so there is no doubt Senator McCain knew exactly to whom the question referred). Sen. McCain refused to commit to a White House meeting with President Zapatero in this interview."

Below is McCain's conversation with the interviewer....

Q: Senator, finally, let's talk about Spain. If you are elected president, would you be willing to invite President Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero to the White House to meet with you?

McCain: I would be willing to meet with those leaders who are friends and want to work with us in a cooperative fashion. And by the way, President Calderon of Mexico is fighting a very, very tough fight against the drug cartels. I am glad we are now working in cooperation with the Mexican government on the Merida plan. And I intend to move forward with relations and invite as many of them as I can, of those leaders to the White House.

Q: Would that invitation be extended to the Zapatero government, to the president himself?

McCain: I don't, I, you know, honestly, I have to look at relations, and the situations, and the priorities but I can assure you I will establish closer relations with our friends, and I will stand up to those who want to do harm to the United States of America. I know how to do both.

Q: So you have to wait and see if he is willing to meet with you, will you be able to do it in the White House?

McCain: Well, again, I don't. All I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region.

Q: Okay, what about you? I'm talking about the President of Spain.

McCain: What about me what?

Q: Okay, are you willing to meet with him if you are elected president?

McCain: I am willing to meet with any leader who is dedicated to the same principles and philosophy that we are for human rights, democracy, and freedom. And I will stand up to those that do not.

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*** Fools rush in: Over the past week, independent analysts and news organizations have criticized -- deservedly so -- the falsehoods and misleading statements from McCain’s TV ads and remarks on the stump. But now the Obama campaign has unveiled a whopper of its own by comparing McCain to Rush Limbaugh in a new Spanish-language ad on immigration. "They want us to forget the insults we've put up with, the intolerance," the ad’s announcer says, per the Washington Post. Then a picture of Limbaugh appears onscreen with quotes of him saying, "Mexicans are stupid and unqualified" and "Shut your mouth or get out." The narrator continues, "John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families." The big problem with this ad: McCain and Limbaugh don’t agree on the issue of comprehensive immigration reform. It’s a pretty low blow, particularly since McCain did see his campaign nearly die because of his support for immigration and the attacks he was receiving on the right from Limbaugh and other talk radio conservatives. Then again, the McCain camp and RNC are airing radio ads blaming Obama for scuttling comprehensive immigration reform because he backed “poison pill” amendments. But that’s not true, either: The GOP base killed immigration reform, not some amendments that immigration advocates also supported.

Completely unecessary and low brow. There is plenty of material to rightfully hit JM on without resorting to doing the same crap he has done.

This ad needs to be pulled and this needs to not happen again from them.

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Completely unecessary and low brow. There is plenty of material to rightfully hit JM on without resorting to doing the same crap he has done.

This ad needs to be pulled and this needs to not happen again from them.

IA that this isn't the type of of thing they should do. There's no need for them to go after votes via lying.

Here is McCain again making it sound as if there is something noble about his candidacy:

McCain Flub? Republican Says He'd Fire SEC Chair as President

September 18, 2008 1:47 PM

ABC News' David Wright reports: At a joint rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa Thursday, Republican John McCain slammed the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) for being "asleep at the switch" saying that if he were president, he would fire Chris Cox, the chairman of the SEC since 2005 and a former Republican congressman.

McCain said the SEC has allowed trading practices such as short selling to stay in place that turned the "markets into a casino."

"The regulators were asleep, my friends," McCain said. "The chairman of the SEC serves at the appointment of the president. And in my view has betrayed the public trust. If I were president today, I would fire him."

But while the president nominates and the Senate confirms the SEC chair, a commissioner of an independent regulatory commission cannot be removed by the president.

From time to time, presidents have attempted to remove commissioners who have proven "uncooperative." However, the courts have general upheld the independence of commissioners. In 1935, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt fired a member of the Federal Trade Commission and the Supreme Court ruled the president acted unconstitutionally.

Asked how McCain would fire Cox if the president does not have the formal power to fire the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, the McCain campaign pointed to former SEC Chairman Harvey Pitt who resigned in 2002 when it was made clear to him that he had lost the confidence of the Bush administration.

"Not only is there historical precedent for SEC Chairs to be removed, the President of the United States always reserves the right to request the resignation of an appointee and maintain the customary expectation that it will be delivered," said McCain spokesperson Tucker Bounds.

SEC Chair Chris Cox released a statement Thursday in which he disagreed with McCain that he should be fired and defended the regulatory agency he heads.

“While I have great respect for Senator McCain, we have sometimes disagreed, and this is one such occasion," Cox said in a statement. "The SEC has made plain that we have zero tolerance for naked short selling. In this market crisis, the men and women of the SEC have responded valiantly as they always do – with the utmost dedication and professionalism."

The White House said this week it wants to stay out of politics, but a Bush administration spokesperson said today of SEC Chairman Cox, who was nominated by President George W. Bush: "the chairman has the president's support."

Campaigning together in Iowa today McCain and Sarah Palin accused the Obama campaign of taking political advantage of the recent economic crisis.

"My opponent sees an economic crisis as a political opportunity instead of an opportunity to lead," McCain said.

Said Palin of Obama: “He likes to point the finger of blame, but does he ever lift a finger to help?”

McCain accused Obama of taking more campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac executives than anyone aside from the chair of the Congressional committee that regulates the lenders.

“While Sen. Obama was lining his pockets with campaign contributors, he didn’t lift a finger” said McCain, who took credit for warning Congress of the impending crisis two years ago. McCain also noted that the former head of Obama’s vice presidential search committee Jim Johnson was formerly a Fannie Mae executive.

The Obama campaign says when Sean Hannity asked Palin last night whether there should be an investigation of campaign contributions by Fannie and Freddie executives, she deferred saying, “that’s significant, but even more significant is the role that lobbyists play in this.”

Obama campaign staffers note that several of McCain’s top advisors – including campaign manager Rick Davis, vice presidential vetter Arthur Culvahouse, and McCain consigliere Charlie Black – lobbied on behalf of the mortgage giants.

ABC News' Martha Raddatz, Lisa Chinn, Alyssa Litoff, Bret Hovell and Imtiyaz Delawala contributed to this report.

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