Members TC Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 She's playing the media game too and the so-called "dream ticket" is still out there. By conceding on Friday she gives all those weekend politico shows the same scoop; and gets their feedback. Love her or hate her, I think her participation, and yes her tenacity, made Barack a better, stronger candidate. On that level alone she deserves VP, though I'm not sure it would be the right thing to do. No cats left in that bag, no water left to go under that bridge. The DEM demons have been purged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GHJunkie4Life Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 All I can say is the more she delays the inevitable the more horrible it makes her look Unlike Edwards and Biden Hilary does NOT have the luxury of time to acknowledge defeat. The convention isn't that far away. The election is just 4 months away! He needs to start focusing on McCain and apparently theres going to be a lot of dialog/debates between them which I'm really excited for. She should have conceded last night but she didn't. Strike 1. The way she was introduced by that buffon Terry M was Strike3 and then the content of her speech and the lack of acknowledge of what Barack Obama has done was atrocious and Strike 3 for me. Obama probably spent a solid amount of time praising her both last night and in the last week. Meanwhile she barely recognizes his accomplishments last night. And lol at Bob Johnson. Like I take anything he says seriously. I think Charlie Rengall truly showed just how great a man he is. Even though he's a Clinton supporter he clearly admitted that what she did last night was unacceptable and I think its starting to dawn on the major Democrats that she's in this for power alone. By Friday she'll finally give it up and by Monday she'll hopefully be a long forgotten memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 I must agree with everything you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GHJunkie4Life Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Lol I love the media. They've been eating this up like theres no tomorrow. CNN especially has had a field day with this Primary Season. Same goes for MSNBC (which I have found to be a HIGH caliber news network). I use to think MSNBC was biased and not worthy of my time but I suprisingly am finding a lot of excellent content and reporting on their programs. Chris Matthews is hilarious! Anyways the media was probably the ultimate winner in this whole process. And I'm sure they all enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 MSNBC's block of shows from Race To The White through to Verdict are the only ones I watch. Countdown is the first show I watch when I get home. Keith keeps it fair, and points out the facts, which is something I just can't say about Fixed News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TC Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 No question about it in my mind. And you can bet it's only going to get even more intense. Can't wait for the inevitable McCain meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 IA that she was playing the media game but her strategic error was to combine it with the shake down by the surrogates. If she concedes publicly on Saturday without a deal to be VP then the talk of the ticket diminishes because her concession is viewed by the media as her leverage along with the 18 million she referred to which they devalue the longer it takes her to concede. The media actually did her in yesterday when they said that the NY delegation wanted her to be VP and that they said she was open. Once they floated that then they set her up to look like she was shaking Obama down and that she would only concede if she got to be on the ticket which put him in a position to look weak if he offered to it to her. I had the impression from the media that Rangel was interested in getting her the VP spot and today when he was talking to Andrea Mitchell-MSNBC I wasn't quite following what he was saying in terms of the ticket since it was sort of roundabout to me but I did get that he wasn't happy with her speech and planned to let her know. IA that she probably helped to make Obama a stronger candidate because she forced him to not play nice but that came at a price and I don't know whether it was necessarily worth it. I have no issue with her tenacity but I don't at all like her tactics. I don't like the way she aligned herself so that it appeared to be her and McCain against Obama, for example, when she questioned his patriotism. She made McCain comfortable enough so that he could say what he said yesterday and I guess Bill Clinton did as well. She fought the way you fight against the other party, not one of your fellow party members and the length of the fight gave the Republicans more material than the Democrats can sift out of the Republican primaries. If the media accounts are correct then she was reigned in by her own congressional and senate supporters and not merely because she recognized it was time to concede. They, if true, felt that she placed them in an awkward position of not being able to support Obama while she lingered. I don't care whether she ever conceded because that was on her but I personally don't see the need for dragging it beyond yesterday if the plan was to concede. She knew prior to yesterday that the numbers were easier to achieve for Obama than for her so it's not as if his getting 40 super delegates seemed less likely to happen than her getting 200. It's a moment she knew was out there and obviously wanted to put it off but that was all about her and her hopes and dreams first and foremost. Telling people to go to her website where there was apparently two options: click that she should stay in the race or make a donation, isn't really taking their interests into full consideration. CNN and their best political team certainly has had a field day. They border on tabloid to me. I do like some of their analysts and that's mainly why I still switch back and forth at times. I am glad I discovered MSNBC. I think their reporting overall is much better than CNN and my only gripe is they feature too much Pat Robertson. I think Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman are biased but not in sort of a more reasonable way. They're not overbearing with their opinions and it's not this constant repetition of the same story told in the same way. The thing I do appreciate about KO, even when I don't agree with him is that he won't bite on silly stories if he doesn't see the point. CM might express that he doesn't find something worth discussing but then he may bend and discuss it anyway. It they could keep it going they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 For those of you who are bored this summer, there is a pretty good book about presidential campaigns and the media called "Out of Order". It is written by Thomas Patterson. It's pretty easy pool side reading. Hillary is conceding, suspending her campaign and attending a Saturday rally. There is a story posted on NYTimes.com already. I hope the rancor is over. Oh Bill, please shut up. Clinton was a good president and I'm afraid his current behavior might influence his place in history. He's been a little strange. I listened to Obama's speech and Hillary's to AIPAC today. Both of them gave very very good speeches. I then listened to McCain's and he sounded, well, a little mean. He starts off talking about civility in campaigns and calls on Obama to be a nice guy. He then goes on a rant about Obama. LOL. He has little bit of a temper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 McCain just makes me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TC Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Check out the FreeRepublic site, if you dare. (take sometrhing for your stomach if you go there) Even they are laughing at him. and this is the site known for calling Barack the "magic negro" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 I won't be going to any site that is racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TC Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 You really should take a look. I wouldn't suggest you register or participate, but the racism and hate of all kinds there is an eye opener. I'm sure even if you did try to say anything, you'd be banned (as I was) A scary site that shows the extremes of the other party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GHJunkie4Life Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 I use to think McCain was a calm and cool person but the more I see of him the more ANGRY he appears. It won't surprise me if he has a meltdown like Howard Dean at some point...or just totally goes ballistic at Obama during a debate. As for Clinton and the campaigns to pressure Obama to be the VP she's completely behind these efforts. Not in public of course. But she did ask her supporters to tell her what they wanted her to do. And of course she wants them to sign w/e petition and go to her website to express their wishes. Good thing everyone sees this for what it truly is. I hope the Bob Johnson and Caroline Kennedy just ignore her and see what most people see when it comes to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 There are articles, I believe a big one in Newsweek, that talks about JM's temper. There are colleagues of his and retired generals and admirals who are afraid of him becoming POTUS because of how badly he flies off the handle. I used to like him, but just can't respect anyone who seels their soul as much as he has in the last 1 1/2 years just top become POTUS. He has flip flopped on every single issue just to court the conservative base. As far as HRC.......I saw on Countdown last night that supporters of hers reach out to her congressional colleagues and wanted them to tell her to get out. Then I saw that some were very upset with Terry M. on how he introduced her the other night, and her speech that night as well. Then I see a few of her supporters still saying that the media is to blame for her loss. That was last night and this morning. What they didn't say is the "deal breaker" for her to be VP...... That BC will not open his financial records for HRC and him to be vetted o she can run on the ticket. Now.........what does that say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 I refuse to believe the media is to blame for Hillary's loss. I don't buy into the "vast media conspiracy" that "robbed" Hillary of her chances to be President. I believe that some in the media treated Hillary unfairly, just like I believe some in the media crowned her the nominee before this contest had even started. There is going to be bias on both sides, but to blame the media for her losing is a bit damn ridiculous (and I called into a local radio show today to say just that). If people want to talk about a media conspiracy, why not take a look at Howard Dean's fall from frontrunner to loser in the 04 primary season. The media played one clip of him daring to show emotion and enthusiasm and marked him a quack. What about those in the media that downplayed any mistake (or misspeak) that Hillary said, yet jumped on Obama for the Rev. Wright issue and played on a continuous loop for WEEKS (which in return, many didn't jump on McCain for his association w/ his two pastors whose endorsements he sought). I think there was media bias on both cases, but in the end, it was the people who chose their nominee/nominees. Barack Obama....and Hillary R. Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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