Ok. I am looking at MSNBC, and apparently there are Clinton supporters that are PISSED about that speech past night. One is talking about it right now.

I'm on it!

Ok. I am looking at MSNBC, and apparently there are Clinton supporters that are PISSED about that speech past night. One is talking about it right now.

Are you talking about Hilary Rosen? I caught a few seconds but switched over to The View to see that Whoppi (who said HC would be president) and she didn't like the speech either.

Are you talking about Hilary Rosen? I caught a few seconds but switched over to The View to see that Whoppi (who said HC would be president) and she didn't like the speech either.

That's her. I don't know if The Doctor was able to catch it either, but she looked upset about that speech and the behavior of TM and HRC last night, saying that this is the time to come together.

I wonder like the rest of you......did HRC finally blow her chances of being VP with that speech last night?

Are you talking about Hilary Rosen? I caught a few seconds but switched over to The View to see that Whoppi (who said HC would be president) and she didn't like the speech either.

What else did WG say?

What else did WG say?

She didn't like the speech. She felt the tone was wrong. It seems like she wanted HC to acknowledge that Obama got the delegates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hilary-rosen...i_b_105133.html

Hilary Rosen

I Am Not a Bargaining Chip, I Am a Democrat

stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust buzz up Posted June 4, 2008 | 09:54 AM (EST)

Senator Clinton's speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. She didn't do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to the future reputation of Hillary Clinton as the last year and a half have been.

I am disappointed. As a long time Hillary Clinton supporter and more importantly, an admirer, I am sad that this historic effort has ended with such a narrow loss for her. There will be the appropriate "if onlys" for a long time to come. If only the staff shakeup happened earlier; if only the planning in caucus states had more focus; if only Hillary had let loose with the authentic human and connecting voice she found in the last three months of the campaign. If only. If only. I have written many times on this site about the talents of Hillary Clinton and why I thought she'd make a great President.

After last night's final primary, she was only about pledged 100 delegates behind him. Ironic that after not wanting to make the decision for so long, it was in fact, the superdelegates who made the decision. But I guess they did so for another reason. It just isn't her time. It is his time. It's a new day that offers a freshness to our party that many have longed for. We felt the rush of new voices and a new energy in the Congressional sweep of 2006 and the sweep continues. It has been an organic shift. And a healthy one.

The life's work of Bill and Hillary Clinton in partnering with so many African Americans uniting our purpose and promoting our mutual issues is as responsible for Barack Obama's success as our first African American nominee as anyone. And yet, that joy is being denied for them by themselves. It is so sad.

So, I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her "Al Gore moment." And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due.

Instead she left her supporters empty, Obama's angry, and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would "use" her 18 million voters.

But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama's campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat.

Wow.

Damn.

I also have heard that if anyone leaves anything but positive messages at her website, they are deleted. This was being posted at MSNBC and CNN last night.

Wow.

Damn.

I also have heard that if anyone leaves anything but positive messages at her website, they are deleted. This was being posted at MSNBC and CNN last night.

I'm amazed that Andrea Evans actually asked a question that suggests that Barack Obama is due some respect. It's usually all about what HC is owed. She tried to pin Rahm Emanuel down on the VP shake down question and he successfully dodged.

You know I see what she and some of her supporters are doing as a shake down but I am still a bit amazed by her supporters that try to make it seem as if she has pure intentions. She might care about people and other things but she's still shaking him down. I'm waiting to hear Rangel's shake down plea now.

Okay forget it. I'd need a drink to make sense of what he's saying.

I didn't hear anything wrong with HC speech last night, I don't understand what the uproar is about. Hillary thanked her and obama's supporters for supporting them and congratulated him. Is the uproar about people wanting her to concede last night? As I stated last night she didn't have to concede last night, and I doubt she will do it today because its her moms birthday. I think she should do it when her and obama have worked out a deal of what she will do in his whitehouse and she should concede with him there with her. What better way to unite the party?

Anyways I still say hillary should be vp, she obviously is the democrats 2nd choice since the delegates and SD's are almost cut down the middle. Obama didn't win this race in a landslide victory. Is it owed to her? No and it should be obama's choice. But obama should not ignore that she could of easily beat him for the nom and that she is america's second choice. Now if he picks her he is obviously going to have to put a mouthpiece on bill clinton and probably have to write everything hillary says. But I think they can work together for the greater good of the democratic party.

Edited June 4, 200817 yr by EricaKane70

I didn't hear anything wrong with HC speech last night, I don't understand what the uproar is about. Hillary thanked her and obama's supporters for supporting them and congratulated him. Is the uproar about people wanting her to concede last night? As I stated last night she didn't have to concede last night, and I doubt she will do it today because its her moms birthday. I think she should do it when her and obama have worked out a deal of what she will do in his whitehouse and she should concede with him there with her. What better way to unite the party?

Anyways I still say hillary should be vp, she obviously is the democrats 2nd choice since the delegates and SD's are almost cut down the middle. Obama didn't win this race in a landslide victory. Is it owed to her? No and it should be obama's choice. But obama should not ignore that she could of easily beat him for the nom and that she is america's second choice. Now if he picks her he is obviously going to have to put a mouthpiece on bill clinton and probably have to write everything hillary says. But I think they can work together for the greater good of the democratic party.

I agree with you EK70

I didn't hear anything wrong with HC speech last night, I don't understand what the uproar is about. Hillary thanked her and obama's supporters for supporting them and congratulated him. Is the uproar about people wanting her to concede last night? As I stated last night she didn't have to concede last night, and I doubt she will do it today because its her moms birthday. I think she should do it when her and obama have worked out a deal of what she will do in his whitehouse and she should concede with him there with her. What better way to unite the party?

The "uproar" if that's what it is has to do with her not acknowledging that he has gotten the number of delegates needed to qualify and/or that there wasn't the sense of party unity. I don't think people expected her to concede and/or state her next move but there was some expectation that she would acknowledge that he had the delegates instead of the bargaining chip position she seemed to have taken. I suppose the fact that Terry McAuliffe introduced her as the next president sort of played into that.

Anyways I still say hillary should be vp, she obviously is the democrats 2nd choice since the delegates and SD's are almost cut down the middle. Obama didn't win this race in a landslide victory. Is it owed to her? No and it should be obama's choice. But obama should not ignore that she could of easily beat him for the nom and that she is america's second choice. Now if he picks her he is obviously going to have to put a mouthpiece on bill clinton and probably have to write everything hillary says. But I think they can work together for the greater good of the democratic party.

The problem is that people don't seem to be willing to let him make his own decision. People are saying you have to take her and she's shaking him down for the spot via her message and her surrogates. He can't put a mouthpiece on Bill Clinton and I think it's absurd that people keep suggesting that he should or needs to or even that HC needs to. Bill Clinton is an adult and he is going to do whatever he wants to do and say what he wants to say. Either people want Obama to take the Clinton package or they don't. It's not going to come with a bunch of conditions placed on them because as far as they are both concerned they are the show. If Obama decides to go that route then he will be the one conceding the loss since they'll obliterate his position.

The "uproar" if that's what it is has to do with her not acknowledging that he has gotten the number of delegates needed to qualify and/or that there wasn't the sense of party unity. I don't think people expected her to concede and/or state her next move but there was some expectation that she would acknowledge that he had the delegates instead of the bargaining chip position she seemed to have taken. I suppose the fact that Terry McAuliffe introduced her as the next president sort of played into that.

The problem is that people don't seem to be willing to let him make his own decision. People are saying you have to take her and she's shaking him down for the spot via her message and her surrogates. He can't put a mouthpiece on Bill Clinton and I think it's absurd that people keep suggesting that he should or needs to or even that HC needs to. Bill Clinton is an adult and he is going to do whatever he wants to do and say what he wants to say. Either people want Obama to take the Clinton package or they don't. It's not going to come with a bunch of conditions placed on them because as far as they are both concerned they are the show. If Obama decides to go that route then he will be the one conceding the loss since they'll obliterate his position.

Well I have no problem with her not acknowleging him having the delegates because she obviouly will have to acknowledge that pretty soon. I got the sense of party unity in her speech but I guess different people hear different things.

An I think obama can say to hillary and bill that I don't want bill to campaign as much as he did in your campaign hillary, his role will be different in my campaign. We have enough supporters to campaign with us I want bill to take more of a backseat role. Whats wrong with obama saying that its not childish at all? An why would he do the same thing he did in hillarys campaign, she not the dem nom so his role would be more low key anyway.

Edited June 4, 200817 yr by EricaKane70

I'm amazed that Andrea Evans actually asked a question that suggests that Barack Obama is due some respect. It's usually all about what HC is owed. She tried to pin Rahm Emanuel down on the VP shake down question and he successfully dodged.

You know I see what she and some of her supporters are doing as a shake down but I am still a bit amazed by her supporters that try to make it seem as if she has pure intentions. She might care about people and other things but she's still shaking him down. I'm waiting to hear Rangel's shake down plea now.

You won't.

He was on CNN and was NOT pleased.

Obama would look like a wimp if he chose Hillary after this NONSENSE!

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